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    Now, you can't say this isn't rape

    http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDe...as=bikepointnz

    I'll be able to sell my CBR for more than I got it with the crash damage if I price it according to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by alarumba
    http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDe...as=bikepointnz

    I'll be able to sell my CBR for more than I got it with the crash damage if I price it according to this

    sorry man .. that price is wrong.. it is now $6995.. it has had OVER $4500 worth of paint and mechanical ..( dont know what all was done, but it was extensive mechanical reconditioning)

    get used to the price of 250's for awhile .. as long as the LTSA deems fit to start people out on them, and petrol prices and traffic follow the present course.. 250's will demand a premium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    sorry man .. that price is wrong.. it is now $6995.. it has had OVER $4500 worth of paint and mechanical ..( dont know what all was done, but it was extensive mechanical reconditioning)

    get used to the price of 250's for awhile .. as long as the LTSA deems fit to start people out on them, and petrol prices and traffic follow the present course.. 250's will demand a premium.
    But from what I've seen everyone's not awesome enough to get a 2-Stroke, so they're dirt cheap (excluding Repsol NSRs, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQ
    But from what I've seen everyone's not awesome enough to get a 2-Stroke, so they're dirt cheap (excluding Repsol NSRs, etc)

    i sold that one.. i'll sell this one too..$6995 anywhere in Auckland is gonna get you a "decent" CBR250rr

    this one is prime beef.. i'll even throw a 3 month - 3000 km warranty on it.


    listen.. this is how things are .. i dont set te prices .. the market does.. i am just trying to earn a living ( as are the rest of us salesmen on here..)

    anyone who stops in and asks, i will gladly show you the costings on this bike .. it is BELOW COST at $6995.

    i dont think making a profit is evil.. if bike shops didnt show a bit of cashflow .. how many of us would be around?.. everyone seems to think i'm getting rich from selling bikes..

    im not..

    i drive a 15 year old bike for fucks sake (fast 15 year old bike.. but i digress)

    one thing that hacks me off is:

    " whats your best cash price?"

    " that is my best cash price sir.."

    " no really.."

    " really.."

    alot of time .. price flexibility has alot to do with customer attitude.. the " i enjoyed doing business with you" discount comes into it quite a bit when i can let it ( again... i dont have the final say in a price.. that is left to the guy above me, who incidentally, makes more $$ than me for just that reason..)

    i will give anyone who comes in the same basic service. some get more but none get less. ask some of the people who i have sold a bike to what i am like to deal with and im sure it will be 99% positive.

    no way in hell anyone can please everyone all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    i sold that one.. i'll sell this one too..$6995 anywhere in Auckland is gonna get you a "decent" CBR250rr
    Holy mother of god. Seven grand for a fifteen year old 250. Can't you get ... y'know ... brand new VTR250's for that? Is there really that much of a premium on pre-full-license hooning?

    I guess so.

    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    i dont think making a profit is evil.. if bike shops didnt show a bit of cashflow .. how many of us would be around?
    It's interesting, I (sort of) became self employed and now have a much better appreciation for why things in shops cost as much as they do. Like, someone's got to pay for the premises, right? People? Power? Insurance? Gotta come from somewhere and unless people start buying second hand 250's at the same rate they buy big macs, this means a hefty profit from each. Or don't buy from a shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    one thing that hacks me off is:
    " whats your best cash price?"
    " that is my best cash price sir.."
    " no really.."
    " really.."
    Ah, now, this is a conversation I've been meaning to have. When I bought my bike (my first) I bought a stack of gear at the same time ... at a profit margin of probably around 60% ... and there was some significant sharpening of pencils around the final figure. But I'm an appallingly bad negotiator and while some places, cage retailers in particular, expect 15% of so to be knocked off before we even start I'm not sure what the story is with bikes.

    I guess my question is:
    * When buying a 2nd hand bike, what sort of flexibility could be expected?
    * What about new? Is there mileage in getting last years' colour at a discount (you wouldn't believe how well this works for skiing/snowboarding stuff).
    * Are you better off whining about how much it costs, or having a go at getting your trade-in value up?

    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    alot of time .. price flexibility has alot to do with customer attitude.. the " i enjoyed doing business with you" discount comes into it quite a bit when i can let it
    Well, quite. Be nice to everyone, especially the IRD.

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    250's Sell at a bloody high price. But guys before you say anything about prices just think....... If you sold your bike wouldn't you like to get the most you could for it. Bikes still sell at these prices as some people like the safety of buying from a bike shop so as long as people buy them the prices will stay this high.
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    I'm with Sarge on this one, as he said its the market as a whole that determines the price of second hand bikes, not just dealers. I'm sure that no dealer would stock a bike at a price that they knew no one would pay. That would be silly. Its not even as though 1 dealer has a monopoly when it comes to selling 250cc bikes. If you want anyone to blame, how about blaming the people who want 250cc sprots bikes? Thats where the demand side of the equation comes from.

    Anyway, if the prices of 15 year old 250cc bikes continue to rise, it can't be too long before some manufacturer decides that its profitable to start making new ones again.
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    Stop bleating about how much 250cc bikes cost.
    If you actually go into Colemans, I'm sure someone will sell you a BRAND NEW GN250 for about $3500.
    Brand new, can't do better than that.
    Oh, you want fancy plastic and gofaster looks too? Add extra $4000.
    That said, who much does a new VTR250 cost? I'd have one of them if I had the money for a 250.
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    Where can I buy some 250 decals???? I will just paste them over the 1100 ones and sell my bike for a tidy profit...

    Its all market forces! good on you Sarge don’t drop the “window” price would hate to pay the Rent/Rates etc there mate.
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    With all due respect Sarge, the LTSA (or LTNZ), petrol prices and traffic may contribute to the demand side of the equation, but its the bike shops that control the supply side.

    Im happy to stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drum
    With all due respect Sarge, the LTSA (or LTNZ), petrol prices and traffic may contribute to the demand side of the equation, but its the bike shops that control the supply side.

    Im happy to stand corrected.
    I'd agree. Buying them in Japan can't be that expensive. Eg 4k and then sell them for 1.5k profit after doing seals and fixing carbs for a total of 6~k etc etc.
    edit: or 3k purchase, tyres/touching up and then the profit is only eaten into if the seals die or carbs go dead in warranty period (or whatever else can usually happen).
    My bike sucked tyres, discs, carbs, seals from the shop under warranty.

    I got mine for 6k which was cheap considering the cbr next to it went for 7 and a bit, my bike was slightly crash repaired, but looked mint. I'm just getting it touched back up again after an unfortunate event involving single lane roadworks, a cone, a blind wet corner and some dumb lollypop man sending a car up at the wrong time They are paying for it.

    The bike will be touched up and I'm almost considering selling it for another bike with the current prices going around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    sorry man .. that price is wrong.. it is now $6995.. it has had OVER $4500 worth of paint and mechanical ..( dont know what all was done, but it was extensive mechanical reconditioning)
    Well now it doesn't sound nearly as bad as I first thought. Dare I say it, it sounds fairly resonable (shudder)

    Quote Originally Posted by chickenfunkstar
    If you want anyone to blame, how about blaming the people who want 250cc sprots bikes?
    Yeah, it obviously our fault as the buyers for making the prices go up. All of us wanting these 250 inline 4s as they're really the only bikes that are reliable but still quick, we're pratically asking for the prices to go up aren't we?

    Quote Originally Posted by curious george
    Stop bleating about how much 250cc bikes cost.
    If you actually go into Colemans, I'm sure someone will sell you a BRAND NEW GN250 for about $3500.
    Hahahahahaha, you're a kidder aren't ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by alarumba
    Hahahahahaha, you're a kidder aren't ya
    Nope. Says so right HERE
    I guess a bit more with ORC and stuff.
    Not your fancy then?
    To quote:
    A New Zealand Motorcycling Icon

    New Zealand’s favourite commuter from the 80s is back and it’s in fashion again. The return of an icon!

    Thousands of Kiwi’s over the years have learnt to ride and/or commuted daily on a GN250. The GN250 provides economical, easy to ride, no fuss commuting that is incredible value for money. And it comes complete with a 12 month factory warranty.

    Find why the GN250 has been for so long and still continues to be a firm Kiwi favourite, contact your local Suzuki Dealer today.

    Sounds pretty f*ing good for the money I'd say
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    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave
    Holy mother of god. Seven grand for a fifteen year old 250. Can't you get ... y'know ... brand new VTR250's for that? Is there really that much of a premium on pre-full-license hooning?

    I guess so.


    It's interesting, I (sort of) became self employed and now have a much better appreciation for why things in shops cost as much as they do. Like, someone's got to pay for the premises, right? People? Power? Insurance? Gotta come from somewhere and unless people start buying second hand 250's at the same rate they buy big macs, this means a hefty profit from each. Or don't buy from a shop.

    buying from a shop means that you have the consumer protection act to back you up. reputable shops service before sale and some if not most offer some type of warranty.


    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave
    Ah, now, this is a conversation I've been meaning to have. When I bought my bike (my first) I bought a stack of gear at the same time ... at a profit margin of probably around 60% ... and there was some significant sharpening of pencils around the final figure. But I'm an appallingly bad negotiator and while some places, cage retailers in particular, expect 15% of so to be knocked off before we even start I'm not sure what the story is with bikes.
    profit margins are no where NEAR 60% on most stuff.. you are usually talking more like 20-25% .. when i get a deal on helmets, the deal is passed onto you. i currently have some $300 HJC helmets that i got a hell deal on for buying a shitload and they are retailing for $149. if you buy a bike from me... the discount is not just hen you buy the bike.. come see me when you need chain lube or a new coat and i will make sure you get a deal.. its called Customer Retention.. i dont want to sell you A bike .. i want to sell you your next 20 bikes. i have customers who have gone to my old shop, found out i was now at Coleman's and come over and bought a bike from me. hopefully because i have given them good service in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave
    I guess my question is:
    * When buying a 2nd hand bike, what sort of flexibility could be expected?
    cash sale.. no trade ask for $1000 off window to get things started.. you probably wont get it on a new bike...but it lays a nice foundation..(possibly on a second hand but doubtfull)

    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave
    * What about new? Is there mileage in getting last years' colour at a discount (you wouldn't believe how well this works for skiing/snowboarding stuff).
    runouts are a bargain.. most shops borrow the money to buy the bikes from the distributors .(yes.. we pay for them in order to get them in stock.. they are not free or loaned to us until we sell..) most are on a floorplan where they get XXX days interest free.. gotta start paying intrest eventually which eats into the profit even further. new bikes come disassembled. we pay our workshop to assemble and PDI(pre-delivery inspection) that eats into the profit also. best bet is last years model, especially if the bike you are interested in is in a "facelift" year.

    another way to go is ex-demo.. most reputable shops make staff put the first few hundred km's on a demo to run it in correctly before we let the demo riders have a go. the demo's i have are all given a free 1000 km service and are left with the balance of rego.. much cheaper to get a relicense than it is to get a fresh rego.


    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave
    * Are you better off whining about how much it costs, or having a go at getting your trade-in value up?
    whining isnt the way..most shops , if you are trading in, will hold window price, but pay you more for your trade. (within reason.. if i can only sell your 1985 Virago for $4000 in its BEST shape.. i probably will be hard pressed to pay that for it in trade.)

    if you have a rare bike, or a VERY tidy high demand bike (96 CBR250RRR baby blade with 1400 km on the clock) then hell yea i'll make it work. expect that bike to show up at a price once i get it on my floor though.. if you dont buy it .. someone will..
    i hope this answered some of your questions without giving out too may trade secrets..

    this is business.. buy low , sell at a profit, pay your rent, your staff, your suppliers, ACC, IRD, Superannuation etc.. retain staff and most importantly, retain customers. would you paya bit morefrom Shop A if they have always treated you well, or would you go to the cowboys down the road at shop B who have a dodgy rep and dodgier bikes just because they are dirt cheap..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curious george
    Stop bleating about how much 250cc bikes cost.
    If you actually go into Colemans, I'm sure someone will sell you a BRAND NEW GN250 for about $3500.
    Brand new, can't do better than that.
    Oh, you want fancy plastic and gofaster looks too? Add extra $4000.
    That said, who much does a new VTR250 cost? I'd have one of them if I had the money for a 250.
    you can do better than that.

    mines $2100 to a kber

    anyone, please buy it
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