Now, you can't say this isn't rape

[Brian d marge]

yup... $4000 bike in Japan from a whoesaler/ auction
add about $200 for disassembling, draining ALL the fluids ( cant ship by water with any oil/ antifreeze/ acid etc)
add $75 per bike for the container.
add $50 / bike for pre-export paperwork checks - stolen/ money owed
add $50 / bike for Import paperwork
add $50 for MAF certs
add $300 for compliance
add at least $300 for reassemble/ service / groom for showroom
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$5025.. following me so far?

subtract 12.5% GST off final sale price ie - $6995 - 12.5% = $875

that $4000 bike just turned into a $6000 bike with a retail of $6995..leaving room for " is that your best price?"


but i'm getting rich off them..

YEA RIGHT

I can back those figures up ...I get charged 30 000 yen to ship a bike from here to NZ ,,,, MOST or the average price here is around 250 to 500 ooo yen ,,,A blackbird ...will be around the 8 mark from auction ...

Then ..( as was said ,,,about being un employed ,, eerrr self employed ...) you DO get a respect for how much things cost BEFORE you even open the door ... insurance ,,,not sure if NZ has product liability insurance ,,,,but ,,,thats a pretty penny a year ,,and as Sarge says ,,you CANT pluck that money out of thin air ,,,welll you can ,,but you close the shop after 6 months
The reason I know ,,,( or think I know ) is because I want to move away from the engineering / and have a more ecletic mix ,,ie a little of everything I like doing ,,,
I cant ,,because I cant make the numbers work ,,,without ripping some one off ...and I couldnt sleep at nite ,,I just wont do it ,,,If its not good enough for me its not good enough for the other person
( thats why I am crap at business and piss poor broke ......but h.a.pp.y)

You can import dirctly from japan yourself ...but then you may or may not have a warrenty ,,,( the auction house here is pretty reliable at stating the condition of the vehicle ,,,though Clocking still goes on ......

The company I deal with ( and does a lot of other dealers in NZ ) is pretty reliable .and fair with thier pricing and will I assume back any genuine problems up ...( havent had any so wouldnt know ..must ask tomorrow )

Does any one remember when a whole load of gsxr s were dumped on the market a few years back ,,,,now look at the resale value ,,cheap as ,,,,,,,,

Stephen

PS or buy a non Japanese made bike .....

[SARGE]

thanks Brian & ixion... rep accordingly dolled out

[Phenoix]

Im going to have to side with Sarge on this one.
Company margins are getting slimmer and slimer as the market opens up for getting things from overseas.
Buying from the shop means you are covered if there is something wrong with the bike.
If you brought a bike from Bob down the road and it breaks, you'll proabably never see Bob again.
Use the internet and let your fingers do the walking if you think your being ripped at one shop and compare prices.
If you think that "there" all in on it, complain to the commerce commission for price fixing.
If not relise that everyone needs to make money some how, Sarge just gets to do it by something he loves.
I havent dealt with Colemans myself, my mates have and other threads rate it very high.

[Badcat]

Im going to have to side with Sarge on this one.
Company margins are getting slimmer and slimer as the market opens up for getting things from overseas.
Buying from the shop means you are covered if there is something wrong with the bike.
If you brought a bike from Bob down the road and it breaks, you'll proabably never see Bob again.
Use the internet and let your fingers do the walking if you think your being ripped at one shop and compare prices.
If you think that "there" all in on it, complain to the commerce commission for price fixing.
If not relise that everyone needs to make money some how, Sarge just gets to do it by something he loves.
I havent dealt with Colemans myself, my mates have and other threads rate it very high.

i've bought at least 5 bikes from colemans in the past 10 years, and found them to be excellent, probably the best bike dealer i've used.
i haven't bought from sarge (dallas) but he seems like a good guy.
also - 2 friends in the industry hold him in very high regard, and these are people i know VERY well.

my .02

ken

[John]

To clarify. I think that , because of the learner rules, 250s are now priced at a level that is detrimental to beginners taking up motorcycling. I deplore this, because I would like lots of people getting into biking. So I'd like lots of cheap (< $1000) bikes for real beginners. In a less artificial market a 3 or 4 year old GN250 would be down around the $1000 - 1500, and 15 year old bikes, in reasonable nick would go for maybe $500. That would tempt a lot of people who hesitate (or are unable ) to spend $3000 - $5000.

You know what Ixion I see your angle, I totally agree with what your saying.

Race Replicas, the CBR250RR/R and the ZXR250A/C are both replicas of their bigger brothers the 900Fireblade and the ZX9R, both great bikes.

Now, lets think about this – the 250’s are of high build quality (how the do they keep going after all the over revving bad maintenance, the crashing etc) – they cost more in perspective of loss to the company due to the wastage of raw material (milling), So there is the first downfall of race replicas.

Kawasaki and Honda both DROPPED the 250 replicas from their ranges in the mid 90’s 97ish era. Because the costs were just not justifiable in regards with the demand, which makes sense as they were only providing them new to the asia market – japan/china/korea even got a few – Australia got a few but mostly grey imports and as for us, only grey imports – as it was more of a cost to convert them to the legislative standards we have for bikes and stuff, (mainly applying to Australia) plus their was just no demand for it, why? Because NZ had not at that time became so dependent on looking ‘cool’. I mean it was stubby season all year back then.

Ok so now current prices – now I agree and disagree but logic prevails think of it these are 10 year old bikes, not made any more the parts cost a small African family and learners are restricted to them. Now remembering these are the replicas of the bigger bikes which is obvious – “prak” a gn250 next to a zxr250 and listen to the comments, People always think mine is a 750 while gn’s are often shunned even though they are one of the longest running bike models.

Bikes are cool now because rappers have them in their videos America loves bikes now, something like a 70% increase in motorcycle fatalities since 97 – seems possible. So everyone wants them – fair enough I suppose got to keep up with the trends you know.
So enter the second hand market of the sub 14 second quarter mile bikes (faster than most road legal cars) they don’t make them anymore, they are been crashed they are dieing out they are hard to get hold of you would find the overseas auctions of them are getting lesser and lesser – soon we will have crashed them all they all will be dead – and you expect them to be cheap? Get fucken real – be thankful some companies still make 250’s new because they will be the ones everyone will be stuck with after the race replicas are gone – and as for shops I don’t have anything against them – they cant make a profit if they fully repair the shoddy bikes that come over from Japan if they did they would have to charge 9k+ for them – which of course is going to happen in the foreseeable future.

The sooner people learn that the world doesn’t keep turning for them the better, sure I payed an arm and a leg for mine, and I spent an arm and a leg getting it in proper working order, but What have I got, a bike that will become a collectors dream? Or is it just a inline 4 250 that can go 220kmph. Who cares? I enjoy it and that’s all that counts you can’t put a price on happiness and that’s all this bike provides me despite the cost of it.

so if you bitch about the price go get a GN - good bikes just dont look as "cool" hell your only on it for a couple of years. build a bridge.

[RantyDave]

would you paya bit morefrom Shop A if they have always treated you well, or would you go to the cowboys down the road at shop B who have a dodgy rep and dodgier bikes just because they are dirt cheap..?

Exactly. I went to Shop A today and was *really* pleased to discover they've scored themselves a Yamaha dealership. Looks like my next bike's a Yamaha then

Thanks for the post. Count me as informed.

Dave

[Coyote]

Well I'm convinced. The dealers aren't the price gougers I thought they were; we're just unlucky that we have to import such bikes. Sorry for giving you a hard time.

Can't really complain about 250 prices. My bike has appreciated in value this past year. Despite the knocks it’s had, its still in the best condition of any 250 I've ever seen so I could get away with 6000

By the way, talking about importing bikes, how much would it cost to ship a bike, for example a RS250, from England?

[SARGE]

sold!!!

congrats bro.. C U out there

[crashe]

sold!!!

congrats bro.. C U out there

Yep this bike has gone to a really nice fella.... :spudwave: :spudwave:

[The_Dover]

No it hasn't!!

[SARGE]

Yep this bike has gone to a really nice fella.... :spudwave: :spudwave:

yup... im taking it up and regestering it now ..


dunno what to put for sex though.. male or female>?

also.. there is no box for " not in yonks"

[crashe]

yup... im taking it up and regestering it now ..


dunno what to put for sex though.. male or female>?

also.. there is no box for " not in yonks"

for the sex question - Put in "yes please"

I have to admit, that he did look good riding the bike...
Thats his new baby... and she looks stunning.

But she just needs a new raincoat to keep her dry at night-time.
:spudwave: :spudwave: :spudwave:

[SARGE]

i would like to ask a HUGE favor ...


could you all bitch some more about some of my bikes?.. every time someone complains.. i sell the bloody thing a week later..

i have an overpriced GSXR1300 Hayabusa in the shop....

[Jantar]

listen.. this is how things are .. i dont set te prices .. the market does.. i am just trying to earn a living ( as are the rest of us salesmen on here..)
..........

i will give anyone who comes in the same basic service. some get more but none get less. ask some of the people who i have sold a bike to what i am like to deal with and im sure it will be 99% positive.

no way in hell anyone can please everyone all the time.

7 grand for a 15 year old 250 is absolutely rediculous. A learner would be better off to go straight to a 600 bandit or similar, and risk paying the odd fine for being on too large a bike. Its these high prices for low capacity bikes that are putting many new riders off getting their licence in the first place.

As for getting good service at Coleman's. I can say that I have only ever bought one bike off them, and that was in 1979. I received excellent service from them, and if I lived closer I would still buy there.

[Coyote]

i would like to ask a HUGE favor ...


could you all bitch some more about some of my bikes?.. every time someone complains.. i sell the bloody thing a week later..

i have an overpriced GSXR1300 Hayabusa in the shop....

That hayabusa is a bloody rip off. Anyone who buys that is a flippin moron with way too much money up their arse

Now, I expect an 80% cut Sarge