You might want to trim the leading http:// off the URL, and then the link works. Cheers.Originally Posted by MaxPenguin
Hardcore Biker
You might want to trim the leading http:// off the URL, and then the link works. Cheers.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Yet they cannot do what they must... which is a directive of the evidence and not open to opinion. Emissions come from production. To stop emissions, you stop production. Simply put, until they find an economic model that can handle mass unemployment (absolutely essential given the future also contains tech unemployment, resource fights, capital flight to the east, AI, resource scarcity, etc... all of which will requires such a model) so the economy will have to grow in order to pay back the money that was borrowed to fight the fires, build resilience etc... rinse and repeat. What a waste eh.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Hardcore Biker
Sorry Mashman, that is incomprehensible.
No, 'emissions' come from both production and consumption. Consumption drives production.
Stop the world: Mashman wants to alight!
"They" are "us" Mashman. The issue is global, not Aus, not Aus/NZ, not South Pacific, not The Southern Hemisphere, not The West, not The Developed Word ... but global. There are local issues, true, but they are mere trivia compared to the global problems.
Yep, waste is part of it. Our disposable societies aren't helping matters. Trivialising the global problems isn't helping either.
"Shout! Shout! Let the clutch out!" Gears for Fears
Aio ki te Aorangi
The evidence says stop production, and has for at least 50 years. We haven't and aren't. Perhaps you don't understand the problem.
You can't consume what isn't produced. Ya see, ya really ain't instilling any confidence in me that you know what you're talking about... but lame trolls like.
No, the evidence says that's what needs to be done. I think we're at the, I get to call you a dickhead in pretty good confidence that you're only going downhill from here.
Hence the stopping of production fucktard. Oh the escalation of it all.
You just trivialised them you fucking moron.
The evidence says stop production, and has for at least 50 years. We haven't and aren't. Perhaps you don't understand the problem.
Hardcore Biker
"The evidence says" that you aren't interested in a civil debate about the issues, Mashman.
Fine. I'll get my coat.
"Shout! Shout! Let the clutch out!" Gears for Fears
Aio ki te Aorangi
The evidence says that you've ignored every point that I've made and focused on the quite obviously (i thought) trolled part of the delivery. If you were interested in civil debate, you would have said "What evidence?" and ignored the shite.
You didn't... therefore I can only come to the conclusion that your post was a troll in a long line of troll posts. Which is fine, but at least put some effort into it coz the KB playbook is getting a little old and needs new material.
Aio ki te Aorangi
I Am. You are foucsed on the purposefully placed language.
Weekend cruiser
This nèds support
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/11870...gainst-ecocide
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
None.
There's no such place.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Anorak
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Bored Room
When your out in the outback and running power cables is not practical.
From memory isn't AU power over 75% coal powered?
I had this discussion with a Manager about the pointlessness of turning the lights off for Earth Hour in NZ as someone had to drive to site to do it.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
is currently sulking in the Sin Bin
https://www.sfgate.com/local/article...y-14079814.php
All in the name of pampered arses.
Weekend cruiser
That's where we need the ecocide laws to come about. It blows my mind that this sort of thing is allowed. Who knew that bogroll was from rainforests? Bet it doesn't say it on the packet. Its deliberately misleading.
Learning
Probably time to chime in... the fires and seeing a red moon finally got me moving on something I've been toying with for over a year.
Went and bought an e-bike, for the purpose of day to day commute to work and local groceries. The idea is to reduce my personal footprint and maybe get a few others thinking or even taking the plunge themselves. Obviously an e-car or better yet e-motorcycle would be best but almighty dollars and all that, I had the cash to put down on an assisted pushie so that's it for now.
It's still early days but it's promising. The commute is about two minutes longer than the car and there's no need to get changed or have a shower - it's ride in work clothes and shoes and bingo, I'm there for my day.
Pros:
I'm getting some exercise even though it's assisted
Fresh air and sunlight
Stress reduction
Savings on petrol and tyre money
... and emissions of course
Cons:
It's a deadly treadly and yes the risks have gone up. This thing makes a motorcycle look safe
Exercise and getting sore / tired / eating more
Sunburn! Hasn't happened yet but if I run around at noon it will
Modify the bike money, there's a lot I want to do
Niggles when parking doing the groceries
For local stuff I've used the car for years, one day of rain aside I haven't needed to drive since I got the bike. I can if I want to. I just haven't needed to. I'll be riding again tomorrow. It was very nice to get back onto the Ducati today though...
Learning
Well, it looks like I've killed this thread. Apologies for that all, as you were. Let the debates continue please.
As an update for anyone else considering taking the ebike plunge, here's some direct experiences over the last two weeks.
People like the bike. I've had a lot of positive response over the last two weeks. I've also been letting a lot of people have a go on it and they come back very impressed.
Hills and headwinds are simply not a problem any more. Jolts off the road are. Bumps that wouldn't be an issue at normal cycle pace suddenly are a big problem at the new speeds, especially if riding day after day. I've ended up purchasing a Brook's sprung saddle. Looks seriously vintage but it works.
I'm having to dial back on speed, too. It's actually too easy to go fast. There is no longer any need to work hard to get from A to B. It's possible to tootle my way around and still get there in reasonable time, with the added benefit of arriving presentable. The other reason to take it easy is traffic. People are used to a certain speed range associated with pushies and drive or ride to that perception. Going like the clappers is just going to end badly, after a while.
In terms of real world utility, as a car replacement - there are limitations. There's only so far a person can ride before a change of clothes does become necessary after all. That depends on assist level, fitness, how you've dressed for the day, weather, etc etc... but it works just fine inside my neighborhood. The other car-replacement limitation is cargo. Backpacking groceries is very limiting and after not too long a carrier and panniers starts making a lot of sense.
Recharge: plug it in before dinner and it's back to 100% before bed. Currently I'm only having to charge it every three days riding or so.
Range: it's got more than enough for what I do with it, but that really is local. Everywhere I normally go with it is within 10 k's. Most people have around a 25km commute or similar and that'd mean a recharge every ride.
Security: lock it to a lamp post or similar while running errands and so far I've been fine. That said I wouldn't leave it outside overnight, even at home.
Weather: if it's wet then I take the car. It isn't wet most of the time, so most of the time I can take the e-bike.
Mood: suddenly I'm finding that I'm a lot more chilled out. That bit is working, big time. I'm just not in a tearing hurry any more, which carries over to the car and the motorcycle.
Where this is relevant to a motorcycle forum: there was a very strange feeling after getting back on the motorbike. Like a new set of reflexes were settling in. The motorcycle felt incredibly loose and... squashy, if that's the right word? I ended up checking my rear tyre for a slow leak three times before I realised that it was some sort of cross over from the e-bike. Riding the motorcycle was weird for another half hour and then I was fine again. It's been alright since, too, even with changes between the two. Hopefully this was just a one off thing.
However... the 25 kg (ish) weight of the bike is a problem. I currently have to haul the bike up and down a flight of stairs. Carrying it like I'd carry a normal pushie has given me a bit of a back strain - not at first, I think it's a bit of a cumulative thing. Possibly it'd be alright lifted to shoulder and carried that way, but holding it at hip level isn't working. My back does not like the off-center load. Currently I'm working on a ramp for the stairs, hopefully this will work with the bike's Walk mode so there's no lifting.
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