Australia Fire storm.

[FJRider]

I suspect they'd say the same about you.

They don't even know I exist. But you've probably already asked them to suck your cock.

Oops ... I forgot. You don't do THAT anymore ...

[Katman]

Oops ... I forgot. You don't do THAT anymore ...

But clearly your fixation remains.

[FJRider]

But clearly your fixation remains.

Is that the best you can do .. ??

You used to be witty. Old age ... ??

[JimO]

Hey, there's always World War 3 to look forward to.

any day now, sort out a few of the ok boomer pricks

[MaxPenguin]

It's not the "crippling blow" I'd like to see them get ...

What? So you are happy for the rainforests to be cut down, mass extinction, poor air quality, rising sea levels etc etc? All they are trying to do is help, what is wrong with that? They are not all smelly hippies you know, most are just normal people wanting a better place to live.

Or is it that you are afraid your unsustainable lifestyle will be threatened before you die? Get a grip man, it's not all about you.

[husaberg]

This approach is definately better than consuming the planet to extinction, but the alternative needs to be viable. The other issue that arises is when the alternative reduces profits so is not actively pursued by business, so unless it is demaded by the population it won't happen. Use of plastics is the best example of this, it's cheap and easy from the manufacturer end, and the other end of it's life isn't their problem.


Deforestation could be consided to be both, there are large areas of the planet which were once covered in forest that are now desert, which occurred long before man got involved. There are equally large areas of the planet that have been deliberately deforested by humans, cutting down of the amazon rainforests for farming, or in NZ where the majority of forest removal has been by humans for various reasons.

It seems reasonably apparent that there is a natural climate change cycle, however it also seems that this is being accelerated by human activities.

I remember reading a while back that human use of resources exceeded the planets capacity to regenerate has been happening since the early 80's, and the major causes of that are population growth and overconsumption by developed countries.

Overconsumption is one area where individuals or populations can make a difference, simply by voting with their wallets. Supermarkets and fast food companies are already getting rid of the stupid plastic toys which have a very short life cycle before ending up in landfill, and working (albeit very slowly) on packaging options. Stupid things like giant hands or inflatable bats to bash together at sports games don't need to exist at all, so just stop making them, only a small difference but if you start adding up small differences they start to make a larger difference.

A lot of what people call a shortage is down to choice of crops/fodder or animals grown.
For instance i can grow 12,000kg/ha of Wheat or 1,200KG of Meat or 1000kg of milk solids or about 25,000kg/ha of potatoes
People want meat and dairy products and the money in producing these in scale are greater without saturating markets for specialty crops, So thats what the majority of nz grows.
Even if all of NZ farms were to grow crops there would still need to be fallow periods and rotations and there is environmental impacts from soil run off and pests and weeds.
Farners produce what the market and the climate dictates, Years ago there was breeding operations and finishing on the fertile lowlands now these are predominately dairy.
A lot of the land clearance in the Amazon i believe is due to illegal logging and the people not using fertiliser and correct drainage techniques. So they clear more land as the yeilds go down
Brazil along with USA i believe exports a lot of stock fodder to China. Feed crops such as Maize and rape Canola are also increasing diverted for biofuel . Its not to feed its people.

Over the years i have cleared approx 8ha of swamp that was the home to nothing much at all into highly productive farm land
I have cleared 25HA of second growth bush to the same.
And clear cleared multiple areas of invasive scrub to farm land.
I have also fenced of and planted streams and bush and riparian areas.
We left areas of significance, We also left the terrace edge areas so people could still enjoy the vistas and maintained wildlife breeding areas and corridors.
This year we will be making a covered euro style barn to protect soil and improve the animals welfare in wet periods.
If people are going to further limit the land use and rights on privately owned areas beyond the current rules such as the RMA then someone should be paying the landowner as the landowner will stil have to pay the rates on the land.
You can imagine the uproar if someone told an Auckland property owner owner they can't build on their section.

[FJRider]

What? So you are happy for the rainforests to be cut down, mass extinction, poor air quality, rising sea levels etc etc? All they are trying to do is help, what is wrong with that? They are not all smelly hippies you know, most are just normal people wanting a better place to live.

Or is it that you are afraid your unsustainable lifestyle will be threatened before you die? Get a grip man, it's not all about you.

I haven't cut down a rain-forest for ages.

Help is not their aim, it is to take illegal action in an attempt to reinforce their policy and beliefs ... in an attempt to prove their point.

If enough people pointed their finger at you calling you an idiot ... how many fingers need to be pointed before you believe them ... ???

[FJRider]

What? So you are happy for the rainforests to be cut down, mass extinction, poor air quality, rising sea levels etc etc? All they are trying to do is help, what is wrong with that? They are not all smelly hippies you know, most are just normal people wanting a better place to live.

I work on Stewart island. I have been working here for three years. I'm on and off boats on a daily basis. The wharf's and jetties are still the same distance above water at high tide. There's still no sign of any warming there either ... any explanation for this anomaly ???

[MaxPenguin]

I haven't cut down a rain-forest for ages.

Help is not their aim, it is to take illegal action in an attempt to reinforce their policy and beliefs ... in an attempt to prove their point.

If enough people pointed their finger at you calling you an idiot ... how many fingers need to be pointed before you believe them ... ???

Don't care if idiots call me an idiot.
Yes they are protesting, what's wrong with that? Why is Nestle cutting down rainforests legal, yet strapping yourself to an oil rig illegal?

I work on Stewart island. I have been working here for three years. I'm on and off boats on a daily basis. The wharf's and jetties are still the same distance above water at high tide. There's still no sign of any warming there either ... any explanation for this anomaly ???

Now you are being deliberately pathetic.

[Coldrider]

MaxPenguin

You have joined a motorcycle forum, you have 66 posts yet your official post count is zero. That is because you have nothing to contribute of value to motorcycling.
What was your point of joining, I think I missed that.)

[Katman]

MaxPenguin

You have joined a motorcycle forum, you have 66 posts yet your official post count is zero. That is because you have nothing to contribute of value to motorcycling.
What was your point of joining, I think I missed that.)

What was your point of joining the thread?

[Coldrider]

What was your point of joining the thread?

Because its rant and rave and nothing to do with the wider motorcycling community.
It benefits no one, comes to no good, is the cause of discontent in kiwibiker,.
It also proves that opinions are like arseholes.
Everyone gots one, everything thinks that theirs is the best and only, theirs doesnt stink, but in reality we all know that all arseholes of full of shit.OK.

[Coldrider]

Sorry, forgot to say Happy new year Katman.

[MaxPenguin]

MaxPenguin

You have joined a motorcycle forum, you have 66 posts yet your official post count is zero. That is because you have nothing to contribute of value to motorcycling.
What was your point of joining, I think I missed that.)

Can you stay on topic please, but seeing as how you are nosey, I haven't seen anything motorcycle related that has inspired me to contribute yet. If the forum bosses don't like non motorcycle chat then why have a rant or rave/ off topic section at all?

[FJRider]

Now you are being deliberately pathetic.

So you have no explanation ... why didn't you just say that ???

no need to be rude ...