The 2020 Election Thread

**Katman** · 19th June 2020, 20:44

Originally Posted by Swoop

That is what an opposition is for, raising issues from constituents, etc.

Raising issues from constituents is not solely the role of the opposition.

That's what all MP's are supposed to do.

**Swoop** · 19th June 2020, 20:50

Originally Posted by Katman

Raising issues from constituents is not solely the role of the opposition.

That's what all MP's are supposed to do.

Quite so, but if you haven't had a desired result from one side of the house you then try the other.
This might not be the case here with these two ladies, but point-scoring by an opposition is always part of the political game.

**Katman** · 19th June 2020, 20:54

Originally Posted by Swoop

Quite so, but if you haven't had a desired result from one side of the house you then try the other.
This might not be the case here with these two ladies, but point-scoring by an opposition is always part of the political game.

Yeah, you and a number of others on here seem to get very excitable over political games.

**Swoop** · 19th June 2020, 20:55

Originally Posted by Katman

Yeah, you and a number of others on here seem to get very excitable over political games.

Those of us who vote, are allowed to comment.

**Katman** · 19th June 2020, 21:07

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those of us who vote, are allowed to comment.

Quite so.

Just the same as you're allowed to get all excitable over political games.

**TheDemonLord** · 20th June 2020, 10:41

Originally Posted by pete376403

The buck stops at the top, OK. So who should resign/fall on their sword and what effect will it have on the outcome? Would you, in the course of your employment quit your job to make someone feel better about a mistake made by a person a lot further down the chain, even though you quitting would 1/ make no difference at all to the outcome and 2/ deprive the enterprise of your knowledge and skill while 3/ leaving the person who caused the problem in place?

The entire lot of them would be a good start...

But to answer your question- I was heading up a decommission/migration project for an entire Mail platform, some 10,000 Mailboxes - we ran an audit of the billing system and pulled out the Mailboxes and then shut the system down.

After which all hell broke loose.

Turned out that the person I'd tasked the audit of the billing system with (and had more experience with the front-end) had forgotten to include resellers sub-customers (some 2-3,000 Mailboxes).

Now - I could have thrown him under the Bus, however I was leading the project and I didn't properly review his work, so I took the flak - cost me 2 Chocolate cakes delivered to each office.

3 important things happened here:

1 - any junior staff who were wary of helping on projects lest they got blamed by managers (an unfortunate occurrence before I came along) suddenly were keen to help, several of whom have now been promoted up into the team I'm in.
2 - we implemented some changes to how we audit some of the older billing systems to ensure we captured all the data.
3 - my reputation wasn't tarnished, in fact by taking ownership and leadership over the issue, senior management trusted me to continue with the work.

So, that's the standard I set for myself, and It's the same standard I set for any leader.

I see nothing of ownership in this government.

**mashman** · 20th June 2020, 11:54

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those of us who vote, are allowed to comment.

... yeah, ya'll complain for 3/6/9 years and then crow for 3/6/9 years whilst the "other side" does the opposite. And they reckon retards have learning disabilities.

**Bonez** · 20th June 2020, 12:08

Originally Posted by mashman

... yeah, ya'll complain for 3/6/9 years and then crow for 3/6/9 years whilst the "other side" does the opposite. And they reckon retards have learning disabilities.

Must be the best post this year sir. Well done.

**JimO** · 20th June 2020, 16:00

ardern needs to win this election so she can fix the shambles she has caused or will they continue to blame the 9 years of neglect etc etc, they must be keeping all the other clowns in the circus locked up, havnt heard anything from twyford for a while

**pete376403** · 20th June 2020, 17:40

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

The entire lot of them would be a good start...

But to answer your question- I was heading up a decommission/migration project for an entire Mail platform, some 10,000 Mailboxes - we ran an audit of the billing system and pulled out the Mailboxes and then shut the system down.

After which all hell broke loose.

Turned out that the person I'd tasked the audit of the billing system with (and had more experience with the front-end) had forgotten to include resellers sub-customers (some 2-3,000 Mailboxes).

Now - I could have thrown him under the Bus, however I was leading the project and I didn't properly review his work, so I took the flak - cost me 2 Chocolate cakes delivered to each office.

3 important things happened here:

1 - any junior staff who were wary of helping on projects lest they got blamed by managers (an unfortunate occurrence before I came along) suddenly were keen to help, several of whom have now been promoted up into the team I'm in.
2 - we implemented some changes to how we audit some of the older billing systems to ensure we captured all the data.
3 - my reputation wasn't tarnished, in fact by taking ownership and leadership over the issue, senior management trusted me to continue with the work.

So, that's the standard I set for myself, and It's the same standard I set for any leader.

I see nothing of ownership in this government.

Using your points:
1/ whoever made the covid testing error hasn't been outed, so no difference to your situation
2/ Changes to the management of the testing regime have been implemented to ensure they capture all the positives, so, no difference to your situation
3/ we differ on whether reputations have been tarnished or not. Bloomfield is still in place so senior management must be trusting him to carry on with the work. So, no different to your situation

**Viking01** · 20th June 2020, 18:25

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

The entire lot of them would be a good start...

But to answer your question- I was heading up a decommission/migration project for an entire Mail platform, some 10,000 Mailboxes - we ran an audit of the billing system and pulled out the Mailboxes and then shut the system down.

After which all hell broke loose.

Turned out that the person I'd tasked the audit of the billing system with (and had more experience with the front-end) had forgotten to include resellers sub-customers (some 2-3,000 Mailboxes).

Now - I could have thrown him under the Bus, however I was leading the project and I didn't properly review his work, so I took the flak - cost me 2 Chocolate cakes delivered to each office.

3 important things happened here:

1 - any junior staff who were wary of helping on projects lest they got blamed by managers (an unfortunate occurrence before I came along) suddenly were keen to help, several of whom have now been promoted up into the team I'm in.
2 - we implemented some changes to how we audit some of the older billing systems to ensure we captured all the data.
3 - my reputation wasn't tarnished, in fact by taking ownership and leadership over the issue, senior management trusted me to continue with the work.

So, that's the standard I set for myself, and It's the same standard I set for any leader.

I see nothing of ownership in this government.

Maybe you should text Jacinda and let her know that (say) on the off-chance of her being disabled by Covid, you'd be quite willing to step in and "man the fort" while she was busy recuperating - and knock some of the recalcitrants into shape at the same time.

And if you did a good job, she might even grant you an extension - and free her up while she concentrates on the election campaign.

Just a thought.

**Swoop** · 20th June 2020, 22:08

Originally Posted by mashman

And they reckon retards have learning disabilities.

Good point! How's your dot-to-dot puzzle coming along? The colouring in was needing some remedial work as you consistently cross over the lines.

Originally Posted by JimO

ardern needs to win this election so she can fix the shambles she has caused...

We can only wonder what lies they will come up with for this round of "delude the gullible public". They certainly don't have a good track record of acomplishments on the promises they made last time.

**mashman** · 20th June 2020, 23:09

Originally Posted by Swoop

Good point! How's your dot-to-dot puzzle coming along? The colouring in was needing some remedial work as you consistently cross over the lines.

Turns out there's a shitload of dots outside of the lines. To be fair though they're really hard to see when going over the line is a step too far from toeing it.