The 2020 Election Thread

[TheDemonLord]

Using your points:
1/ whoever made the covid testing error hasn't been outed, so no difference to your situation
2/ Changes to the management of the testing regime have been implemented to ensure they capture all the positives, so, no difference to your situation
3/ we differ on whether reputations have been tarnished or not. Bloomfield is still in place so senior management must be trusting him to carry on with the work. So, no different to your situation

Except the part about owning up to mistakes made. That part is quite different.

As for the difference in situations:

Missing a couple of Emails vs potentially unleashing a pathogen to a population.

That part is also Quite different.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe you should text Jacinda and let her know that (say) on the off-chance of her being disabled by Covid, you'd be quite willing to step in and "man the fort" while she was busy recuperating - and knock some of the recalcitrants into shape at the same time.

And if you did a good job, she might even grant you an extension - and free her up while she concentrates on the election campaign.

Just a thought.

Sure.
Anytime - send me her Cell phone number and I'll get right on it.
There's at least two bits of immoral legislation I'd be only too happy to correct.

[Viking01]

Sure.
Anytime - send me her Cell phone number and I'll get right on it.
There's at least two bits of immoral legislation I'd be only too happy to correct.

So what two pieces of legislation would those be ?

[TheDemonLord]

So what two pieces of legislation would those be ?

2019 and 2020 Arms Amendment bill.

[Murray]

So everyones getting in a panic about the new cases of Covid in NZ and the complete lack of faith in the Minister of health and what do we get for a news item over the weekend?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...0everything%22.


I just shake my head

[onearmedbandit]

So everyones getting in a panic about the new cases of Covid in NZ and the complete lack of faith in the Minister of health and what do we get for a news item over the weekend?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...0everything%22.


I just shake my head

Was it the only news? I mean I hate the media more than most but I'm sure they ran lots of other stories too.

[Murray]

Was it the only news? I mean I hate the media more than most but I'm sure they ran lots of other stories too.

Not regarding Jacinda over the weekend

[Swoop]

... yeah, ya'll complain for 3/6/9 years and then crow for 3/6/9 years whilst the "other side" does the opposite.

Addressing the point now.
A lot of people have short memories, especially around here.
When national were in government there were the regular "nazional" and "false smile from the PM" comments among a whole raft of others, yet when an opposite view is put against this government (and all of their lies + cockups) there are the normal bunch who show up to back the "False Smile" from the leader of the labour party and the endless stream of lies and utter BS spouted by them.

So, when this government are voted out* we will see the other side of the fence pop back up to complain how hard they are done, by the new government.



* Remember that government's are NOT voted in, but the incumbent is voted out because of actual or perceived incompetence.

[mashman]

Addressing the point now.
A lot of people have short memories, especially around here.
When national were in government there were the regular "nazional" and "false smile from the PM" comments among a whole raft of others, yet when an opposite view is put against this government (and all of their lies + cockups) there are the normal bunch who show up to back the "False Smile" from the leader of the labour party and the endless stream of lies and utter BS spouted by them.

So, when this government are voted out* we will see the other side of the fence pop back up to complain how hard they are done, by the new government.



* Remember that government's are NOT voted in, but the incumbent is voted out because of actual or perceived incompetence.

To be fair, I don't think having a "short memory" is up there in terms of why governments change. I Am not saying that it isn't a factor in the slightest, but when you consider the options that are available to vote for: Same v More of the Same, and many peoples' insatiable need to vote so that they can have their say, I reckon lack of choice takes top spot given the all but predictable results. Two wings of the same bird springs to mind, as both (2 horse race almost everywhere innit) do seem to make a habit out of making expedient promises to secure their terms.

But yeah, smiles and teeth and babies and warm fuzzies make up for that... and it'll be different next time... once the economy recovers, then politicians can afford what they promise. Oh the lies we believe.

[TheDemonLord]

So everyones getting in a panic about the new cases of Covid in NZ and the complete lack of faith in the Minister of health and what do we get for a news item over the weekend?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...0everything%22.


I just shake my head

The worst part about that picture...




Is that the Piano Keys are wrong - There's no B sharp nor E Sharp (unless you want to be really snooty about your musical theory and point out that E sharp is an F, but is written as E Sharp depending on the Key/Mode etc. but TL;DR there's no black key between B and C, and E and F).

[Berries]

The worst part about that picture...

Is that the Piano Keys are wrong.

Is it a piano though? I thought it was a glimpse in to the orthodontal future for the wee bairn.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Except the part about owning up to mistakes made. That part is quite different.

As for the difference in situations:

Missing a couple of Emails vs potentially unleashing a pathogen to a population.

That part is also Quite different.

Comparing an IT project to running the country being a false equivalence aside, I am genuinely curious who you think should resign or be sacked.
What would be satisfactory in terms of taking responsibility and showing leadership? 5 chocolate cakes? 6?
The system broke down, noone in their right mind would see that as acceptable. The system required human action which will always let us down at some point.
There does not appear to be a rule book or even guidelines as to what the appropriate punishment should be and to whom it should be directed.
So I would like to hear what the suggestion is other than "down with this sort of thing!"

[Katman]

One of the things that bewilders me most about this whole fuck up is that the vast majority of those who were given a compassionate exemption and released without testing, are now refusing to be tested.

[TheDemonLord]

Comparing an IT project to running the country being a false equivalence aside, I am genuinely curious who you think should resign or be sacked.
What would be satisfactory in terms of taking responsibility and showing leadership? 5 chocolate cakes? 6?
The system broke down, noone in their right mind would see that as acceptable. The system required human action which will always let us down at some point.
There does not appear to be a rule book or even guidelines as to what the appropriate punishment should be and to whom it should be directed.
So I would like to hear what the suggestion is other than "down with this sort of thing!"

At the very least - an admission that they (The Government as an entity) Fucked up.

Let's start there.

And this lack of admission of fault isn't solely restricted to Covid either.

But getting back to the fundamental question:

The real Ire however is that where the system 'Failed' is in such a manner that even basic common sense would have prevented it:

"We have some people coming in on compassionate grounds from overseas - should we:

A: Just let them in the country because She'll be right Mate.
or
B: Take the 30 seconds time it takes to have the test administered and hold them in isolation for 48 hours whilst we process the results"

To anyone, Labour voter or people like myself (not particularly happy with Labour) the answer is blatantly obvious - you test at the border and Isolate whilst the test results are processed. That this was not done and the result of this is effectively re-introduced a Pathogen into the country is inexcusable.

And yes, I put the failure for this onto the Leadership because it's the exact same lax border management that introduced Covid to NZ in the first place. So it is on that Basis that I think the correct thing to do would be for the Minister (or better yet, the Prime Minister...) to admit their mistakes, gracefully fall on their sword and get someone in who can understand the basics of isolation at the Border.

This is without going into the extreme slap in the face that multiple Kiwis have had with loosing their jobs/hours/homes etc. due entirely to the Lockdown (which IMO was excessive).

Summing it - Sure, I don't like Labour and every little thing that makes them look bad, I'll rejoice in that - I'm freely admitting to that Bias - if you consider that this taints my opinion to the point of discarding it, Fair enough, I hold no ill-will for that.

In this instance though, on the basic facts of the matter there have been multiple failures by the Government which they have refused to own up to and that this has cost the populace in multiple ways - it is on that basis that a call for resignation is justified.

[TheDemonLord]

One of the things that bewilders me most about this whole fuck up is that the vast majority of those who were given a compassionate exemption and released without testing, are now refusing to be tested.

Which is doubly ironic because the Test literally takes 10-30 seconds.