The 2020 Election Thread

[Kickaha]

Sure, I paraphrased him, but I captured the meaning pretty accurately

No it doesn't, two totally different meanings, it also misses out a large part of what he said afterwards

[Oakie]

I'd have preferred that those able to transact online were able to do so during that 5 weeks, significantly lessening the amount of subsidy required.

My daughter is a courier in Queenstown. On one day her normal 230 odd parcels to deliver ballooned to over 900 ... including 3 microwaves.

[FJRider]

The problem I have here is where that Subsidy came from - it didn't magic out of thin air, everything has a cost.

Out of money taken in Tax. To get more tax ... they have to keep the one's working ... working. You dont seem stupid enough to not know that. (Perhaps I was wrong to assume that)

If this was the sole and only incident in the last 3 years where a lower level of government had majorly cocked up, I might be inclined to cut some them some slack, but as previously mentioned, it isn't and the reason for it IMO is 100% down to the Leadership.

The fact that it was (and STILL is) a world wide pandemic that they were trying to contain the spread of ... it wasn't Government Ministers at those places ... telling them who could or could not leave. They had written rules on procedure. Procedure was not followed at those places. Those at the top just failed to ensure the rules were being adhered to. The ones that were at the isolation points didn't do their job. Responsibility at the top. Fault at the bottom.

And what is the cost of a stock market crash and devaluation? As above - the last one in the US cost 250,000 lives to Cancer alone - you might say "How many of those that didn't survive ... wouldn't have for much longer anyway .. ??" - but it is a Cost none-the-less.

Are you saying that the stock market crash and devaluation caused 250,000 cancer deaths in the US ... ??

Exactly - protect those who are most likely to die from it, allowing those who aren't likely to die from it to get on with their lives.

Those that died WERE (supposedly) in safe places ... The "Protections" didn't work. People that weren't tested got exemptions/permission to visit them ... and people died.

Those people that spread it then "got on with their lives" ... and possibly spread it some more ... possibly into areas that didn't have it. Remember the "Bluff wedding" that caused a death ... ??? But that is acceptable as those that spread it get on with their lives.

As for the Group - that would be people who came in from overseas infected and were given a leaflet at the border instead of being tested and kept in Isolation.

How many Ministers of Government (or senior Government officials) were waiting at the airport ... supervising the isolation procedures ... ???

[FJRider]

I do hope you're not equating having a cotton bud shoved up your nose with having fuck-knows-what shit injected into you.

Actually ... I know you have an aversion to vaccinations ... whatever the reason (scared of those big needles ??) I was just yanking your chain. sorry.

There is no vaccine available to the public yet ... I understand they are working on it. Would you get one to stop the spread if one was available ..?? The testing does appear to be unreliable.

[Katman]

Would you get one to stop the spread if one was available ..??

I don't imagine so.

[FJRider]

I don't imagine so.

What sort of person would wilfully cause uncertainty in the community by being known to be refusing to get vaccinated for a deadly virus ?

Are all your elderly family members, friends, and loved one's already dead .. ?

[Katman]

What sort of person would wilfully cause uncertainty in the community by being known to be refusing to get vaccinated for a deadly virus ?

I've already covered that in post #234.

[FJRider]

I've already covered that in post #234.

So your theory is ... what you don't know is dangerous. You must be surrounded by danger then ...


But ... just so you are a little better informed ... A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism, and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins.

The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and to further recognize and destroy any of the microorganisms associated with that agent that it may encounter in the future.its toxins, or one of its surface proteins.

Unless you are someone with a poor (or no) immune system ... there isn't usually an issue.

The vaccines are to stop the spread of the microbes ... some of those microbes are fatal to some people ... for reasons other than aged and/or infirm.

Your (apparent) concern at those (potentially) spreading the current pandemic virus, and the "uncertainty in the community" it may cause ... was it seems ... just for show. As such ... you might be seen (without a valid explanation) as just another self centered, opinionated, prick.

By comparison ... "The berk" might be seen ... just as an ignorant (but somewhat childish) prick.

[Kickaha]

My daughter is a courier in Queenstown. On one day her normal 230 odd parcels to deliver ballooned to over 900 ... including 3 microwaves.

Local couriers here were saying the same, they said it was like the Christmas season

[Katman]

So your theory is ... what you don't know is dangerous. You must be surrounded by danger then ...

And you're more than welcome to line up for your shot of an 'experimental' vaccine.

But ... just so you are a little better informed ... A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism, and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins.

The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and to further recognize and destroy any of the microorganisms associated with that agent that it may encounter in the future.its toxins, or one of its surface proteins.

Nice copy and paste.

Thanks anyway, but I'm reasonably well read on vaccines.

(Probably more so than yourself, if your incredibly simplistic copy and paste is anything to go by).

[FJRider]

And you're more than welcome to line up for your shot of an 'experimental' vaccine.

I'm closer to the "Old and infirm" profile. I very much doubt I'll be sought for any input into that program ... bugger eh ...

Nice copy and paste.

You're too kind ...

Thanks anyway, but I'm reasonably well read on vaccines.

(Probably more so than yourself, if your incredibly simplistic copy and paste is anything to go by).

Again ... you're too kind. No point in making things difficult ... eh ...

I've found some people prefer (and understand) "Simple" better. Horses for courses ... and all that ...

[Viking01]

I'm closer to the "Old and infirm" profile. I very much doubt I'll be sought for any input into that program ... bugger eh ...

Well, if you don't get any offers from organisations wishing to poke needles into you and trial their vaccines,
there are others that may simply be interested in your Covid lockdown experience e.g.

https://www.haveoursay.org/

[Katman]

https://www.haveoursay.org/

Damn, I feel excluded.

[Katman]

What sort of person would wilfully cause uncertainty in the community by being known to be refusing to get vaccinated for a deadly virus ?

And furthermore, do try to keep a degree of perspective when talking about 'deadly' viruses.

We're not dealing with Ebola on steroids here.

The death figures suggest there's not much difference between this and many other recurring conditions.

[eldog]

My daughter is a courier in Queenstown. On one day her normal 230 odd parcels to deliver ballooned to over 900 ... including 3 microwaves.

Thats cool.

my work courier is finding it tuff.
he now works Monday AND Tuesday only.

the replacements is far can AWESOME.
now I know the parcels will be delivered AND picked up.

cant wait till he takes Monday and Tuesday off a well.

almost changed from NZC to any other courier company, because of his attitude.
Everyone on his run would be happy.

the new guy is exactly what you expect, would be happy to pay more to keep him full time.