The 2020 Election Thread

[eldog]

As long as it's not CGT.
You can bet the current lot will introduce that across the board at the first budget after next election, if not before.
It's easy to throw other people's money away with nothing to show for it.

Definitely something that may happen.
Increase GST etc.

Yes, rocking upto a motel and your neighbour obviously isn't paying for anything.....
Does avoid paying for maintenance, update, insulation or other new incentives to improve buildings themselves.

Having suburbs of state housing with little industry or options for work won't help either.

[husaberg]

As long as it's not CGT.
You can bet the current lot will introduce that across the board at the first budget after next election, if not before.
They have to get their hands on some more other oeoples money somehow.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12327634
100 million to reserve motel units for homeless just in case?
They could have had 250 houses for that, permanently housed 1600 homeless people, and still had the asset at the end, that would then be worth more than the initial outlay.
It's easy to throw other people's money away with nothing to show for it.

You do realize Nation over spend their housing budget by 48 million dollars a year on Motels?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...in-hotels.html

where was your moaning then......................

As for the CGT
odd that the former leader of Act Rodger Douglas wanted one also odd the former National leader and Governor of the reseve bank Don Brash did so as well.

The Brash Committee, chaired by Dr Donald Brash recomended one as has virtually every
consultative committee appointed to report to the government on taxation
reform since December 1987 has overwhelmingly recommended the
introduction of a capital gains tax."
http://www.nzlii.org/nz/journals/AukULawRw/2014/7.pdf
the problem is we need to raise the pension to at least 68 and to add in a CGT both National and labour are to gutless to do either.

[Murray]

You do realize Nation over spend their housing budget by 48 million dollars a year on Motels?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...in-hotels.html

where was your moaning then......................

Overspent their budget - very vague

How much spent versus current spending - say April 2020 vs April 2017

I overspent my shopping budget so what. Next door neighbour spent twice as much as me!

[mashman]

The Opportunities Party proposes $250 per week universal basic income

Finland, one of the very few countries to try it on a small level, said it was great for de hooman, but realised that it couldn't be afforded to be rolled out to everyone, and they have a better economy than NZ.

[husaberg]

Overspent their budget - very vague

How much spent versus current spending - say April 2020 vs April 2017

I overspent my shopping budget so what. Next door neighbour spent twice as much as me!

Did you read he article Murray? its not vauge they budgeted 2 million and spend 50 million on motels for emergency housing whilst at the same time selling off houses stating there was no housing crisis.
they were the same spend of money, spent on the same thing, only Bob objected to labour spending the same amount of money on the same thing as National did year in year out previously wherehe never complained once under National..................

[pritch]

It would seem likely that when the world emerges from this pandemic there will be major changes, some of which will not be popular with everybody. A CGT might be one of the least radical.

Some of the world's economic powerhouses are not handling the current situation at all well, if they strike serious trouble the existing world economic system could be in for a major overhaul. New Zealand is too small to remain untouched by world events.

[mashman]

The Opportunities Party proposes $250 per week universal basic income

Finland, one of the very few countries to try it on a small level, said it was great for de hooman, but realised that it couldn't be afforded to be rolled out to everyone, and they have a better economy than NZ.

Social democrats have got one too that actually makes a little more sense, because they're gonna create their own money. It still ignores the problem of a virus taking out 5% of a population and the associated loss of income that's supposed to be paying for the UBI... but hey, it also pisses all over their environmental policy and it all devolves into fiction from there on in.

[sidecar bob]

Did you read he article Murray? its not vauge they budgeted 2 million and spend 50 million on motels for emergancy housing whilst atthe same time selling off houses stating there was no housing crisis.
they were the same spend of money, spent on the same thing, only Bob objected to labour spending the same amount of money on the same thing as National did year in year out previously wherehe never complained once under National..................

Its a stupid idea whatever color shirt you are wearing.
It doesn't take a smart person to work it how to spend a dollar, while also keeping that dollar while inflation proofing that dollar, while also having a third party pay off the debt & interest on that dollar, rather than simply flushing it down the toilet, never to be seen again.
It's not a competition & I appreciate your mental image of me seems to be that I'm dressed in blue from head to toe, but it's a fuckin retarded waste of money & shows poor forethought wether a red govt, a blue govt, or the postman does it.
Just because you can find some evidence where some other fuckheads did the same thing years ago doesn't make it any less of a stupid idea.
I'm sure there is plenty of prior instances of people jumping off tall buildings too.

[sidecar bob]

The Opportunities Party proposes $250 per week universal basic income

Finland, one of the very few countries to try it on a small level, said it was great for de hooman, but realised that it couldn't be afforded to be rolled out to everyone, and they have a better economy than NZ.

Anyone that thinks $250 per week is somehow going to save them deserves $250 a week.

[husaberg]

Its a stupid idea whatever color shirt you are wearing.
It doesn't take a smart person to work it how to spend a dollar, while also keeping that dollar while inflation proofing that dollar, while also having a third party pay off the debt & interest on that dollar, rather than simply flushing it down the toilet, never to be seen again.
It's not a competition & I appreciate your mental image of me seems to be that I'm dressed in blue from head to toe, but it's a fuckin retarded waste of money & shows poor forethought wether a red govt, a blue govt, or the postman does it.
Just because you can find some evidence where some other fuckheads did the same thing years ago doesn't make it any less of a stupid idea.
I'm sure there is plenty of prior instances of people jumping off tall buildings too.

if it doesnt take a smart person So why did you never complain previously? what you said in the first sentence was the complete premise of why state housing was built.
why only complain now? Were you unaware of the previous government spending 50 million dollars plus a year on Motels ?
Because i raised it a few times on this forum?

[Oakie]

The Opportunities Party proposes $250 per week universal basic income

Finland, one of the very few countries to try it on a small level, said it was great for de hooman, but realised that it couldn't be afforded to be rolled out to everyone, and they have a better economy than NZ.

The other part of their plan is to also have a flat tax rate of 33%. This means that a person doing 40 hours at minimum wage on tax code M currently pays $123.96 tax but this would go up to $249.48 so they immediately lose $125.52 of their $250 in tax.
Smoke and mirrors.

[sidecar bob]

if it doesnt take a smart person So why did you never complain previously? what you said in the first sentence was the complete premise of why state housing was built.
why only complain now? Were you unaware of the previous government spending 50 million dollars plus a year on Motels ?
Because i raised it a few times on this forum?

Don't assume that i read everything you post.
As I said, its awaste whoever's is doing it.
If blue team get in I'll show you I'm not as one eyed as you, by sailing into them if they do dumb shit.
I doubt they will get in, the tooth monster is smelling of roses at the moment, fuck knows why.

[husaberg]

Don't assume that i read everything you post.
As I said, its awaste whoever's is doing it.
If blue team get in I'll show you I'm not as one eyed as you, by sailing into them if they do dumb shit.
I doubt they will get in, the tooth monster is smelling of roses at the moment, fuck knows why.

odd you reply to it.............
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131123789
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131114639
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131114591

One would suspect the labour leader is popular as she is not Simon Bridges or like Simon Bridges.......

[sidecar bob]

odd you reply to it.............
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131123789
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131114639
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131114591

One would suspect the labour leader is popular as she is not Simon Bridges or like Simon Bridges.......

You have too much time on your hands.
And yes I must have said half a dozen times, Bridges is a helmet without equal.

[mashman]

Anyone that thinks $250 per week is somehow going to save them deserves $250 a week.

It would seem that that's the best that the country can do. But to be fair, anyone thinking that more money, or money in general, is gonna do any saving in general has ignored history to date and could quite easily be seen as barking mad. The evidence says so. I just happen to agree with the evidence

The other part of their plan is to also have a flat tax rate of 33%. This means that a person doing 40 hours at minimum wage on tax code M currently pays $123.96 tax but this would go up to $249.48 so they immediately lose $125.52 of their $250 in tax.
Smoke and mirrors.

Yeah, but they still get $100+ risk free in the long run. Speaking of which, kind of, I wonder how the RFRM stuff will go down with the same cat (snigger).