Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

[F5 Dave]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12316772


Let's go pray away the virus sez Brian. Don't forget to give him a big kiss, he likes that.

[jellywrestler]

HeHeHe. You said Root cause.

i had a root canal done once at my dentist, root canals cost a lot too.

[jellywrestler]

So basically one person per the population of Tauranga per day, Tauranga is losing more than one person a day at the moment & has done for years, that's how they keep three or four funeral homes going.
It would be interesting to know what the daily average death rate is in Italy & how much that has increased by.
With a population of over 60 million, it will be a significant number on a good day. I calculated the Italian attributed death rate at around .0008% per day
As my mate Trevor said the other day, some of these people are simply dying from too many birthdays.
You can blame what you like, but if your 96 year old granny dies from it, it's probably not the root cause.

The greedy society we've made for ourselves will be the biggest killer, i've lost 90% of my work right now, and the mental health and suicide toll will be hideous long after the virus has come and gone sadly.
i don't mins propping up my neighbour to stay in their house, but not those with five houses and are living on the edge.
i get some people have wanted to get ahead, and respect that, but many of my customers are debted up to within an inch of their lives, with zero margin to breat simply. they say the housing market will fall 10%, i say there'll be a fire sale of rental properties, amateur air bnb's etc...
air nz looking at nearly 4000 jobs, what about all the business breast (that ones for you F5 Dave) feeding of the system.
off to the cliffhanger this weekend and gonna sit around the paddock at night and have a few man coffees, be the last time i hear a bike at speed for a while.

[F5 Dave]

HeHe, you said business. . . No, wait, I don't get it

Is cliffhanger on? I always seem to miss it for other rides.

Geez that's quick for work go drop off, hopefully that's just a blip while people get past the bad thoughts stage and decide to carry on.

[Berries]

I am sure we will have to re-open the border one day. The virus will get here and we will be back to where we are now. It just seems to be delaying the inevitable.

And yes, these numbers being bandied about are meaningless without context.

I say move everyone over 70 to Tauranga for their own protection and let the rest of us catch the virus, sneeze a few times and move on before we end up back in the stone age.

[jellywrestler]

HeHe, you said business. . . No, wait, I don't get it

Is cliffhanger on? I always seem to miss it for other rides.

Geez that's quick for work go drop off, hopefully that's just a blip while people get past the bad thoughts stage and decide to carry on.

i work for a property flipper, he's waiting for the firesale, and also the public, they've shut their wallets and simply need to.
yip cliffhangers on, they had trouble getting an ambulance crew i understand but are underway

[jellywrestler]

we can't rely on help from other countries like earthquakes etc, however angela merkel chancellor for germany has said if italy has trouble cremating all the bodies they have capacity for six million....

[TheDemonLord]

...and on a more serious note - at midnight tonight, NZ closes its borders. It's all over MSM / Stuff / etc but here's the link anyway:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...order-controls

I completely support this decision BTW, even a casual look at what's happened in 3 weeks to Italy says that this has to happen.

A couple of comments, and yes they're flippant but hey take your positives where you can find them:

1) there are going to be fuck-all tourist drivers on the road in 2020, we'll only have the homegrown idiot varietals this year. No tourist buses either. If you want to ride Milford Sound, and the road's been sorted, it's not going to get better than now.

2) logging trucks! There's going to be an intermission in the parade of logging trucks smashing the crap out of the roads

3) maybe the planet urgently needed us to stop flying on jet planes. And cutting down on commuter transport too. Yes the bikes add to this, but there's no way that me running around the Wairarapa all weekend beats someone taking a casual holiday in Tahiti.

4) this isn't going to be the only one. We've built perfect conditions for a global pandemic, this was always going to happen, lessons learnt this time are going to serve us well in the next one.

5) Bikers as tourists are going to be welcomed with open arms, although we'll see how that goes in weeks to come. In the meantime support your ride-over-the-hill local, they need you.

Will be very interesting to see what the road stats look like compared to last year.

[jellywrestler]

Will be very interesting to see what the road stats look like compared to last year.

yeah, then they'll use that as the new benchmark that everyone has to aspire to

[sidecar bob]

The greedy society we've made for ourselves will be the biggest killer, i've lost 90% of my work right now, and the mental health and suicide toll will be hideous long after the virus has come and gone sadly.
i don't mins propping up my neighbour to stay in their house, but not those with five houses and are living on the edge.
i get some people have wanted to get ahead, and respect that, but many of my customers are debted up to within an inch of their lives, with zero margin to breat simply. they say the housing market will fall 10%, i say there'll be a fire sale of rental properties, amateur air bnb's etc...
air nz looking at nearly 4000 jobs, what about all the business breast (that ones for you F5 Dave) feeding of the system.
off to the cliffhanger this weekend and gonna sit around the paddock at night and have a few man coffees, be the last time i hear a bike at speed for a while.

By 10% you say? That will make stuff in my area worth what it was worth 18 months ago.
Stuff like this always shakes out a few loose ones that will spend the rest of their lives convincing people that property is a bad investment.
The property market has gone up 32% & back 8% cycle on cycle for decades, it's nothing new & recessions are all part of the gig & doesn't signify the end of the world.
Nobody rings a bell at the top & bottom of the market, I could have cut & run a couple of months ago, but I'd be a hell of a lot more twitchy if I had a pile of cash in the bank right now rather than a few good quality properties.
Why would landlords sell rental properties on a falling market? It seems counter intuitive. Tenants still need a place to live.
I had a cashed up client that had sold his farm & purchased a few very nice homes with some of the proceeds as a retirement plan.
In the middle of the GFC he panicked & cashed out of them for half what they are worth now. I remember him saying to to me "better to lose a little than lose a lot"
I'd also suggest that the death forecasts could be out by as much as the kiwibuild forecasts.

[Naki Rat]

So basically one person per the population of Tauranga per day, Tauranga is losing more than one person a day at the moment & has done for years, that's how they keep three or four funeral homes going.
It would be interesting to know what the daily average death rate is in Italy & how much that has increased by.
With a population of over 60 million, it will be a significant number on a good day. I calculated the Italian attributed death rate at around .0008% per day
As my mate Trevor said the other day, some of these people are simply dying from too many birthdays.
You can blame what you like, but if your 96 year old granny dies from it, it's probably not the root cause.

One-off comparison indicating the rise in deaths in an area of Italy affected by COVID19

Note that this was from March 13th and the daily death rate has now doubled since then.

[pritch]

I read a really good description of how the Coronavirus works, and the treatment, but can't find it now. It started out describing a tree. If you imagine a tree with a trunk, branches, smaller branches and on the end of the branches leaves. Tip that mental picture up side down and the trunk and branches are the tubes in the lungs, the leaves are the alveoli which pass oxygen to the blood.

The virus causes inflammation of the alveoli so they don't pass oxygen to the blood as they should. Very simply put, if you could put patients on a respirator most would survive, the problem is there are nowhere near enough respirators to cope with a pandemic.

If you search 'interstitial lung disease' and read the results, you will understand the nature of the problem.

Just offered in case anybody is actually interested?

[ellipsis]

...why Italy...maybe this is why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGjXFyaXis

[sidecar bob]

One-off comparison indicating the rise in deaths in an area of Italy affected by COVID19
Note that this was from March 13th and the daily death rate has now doubled since then.

Yeah, scary ay. Buy the NZ Herald tomorrow & multiply the number of death notices by 15 & see how it looks.
Thats the population difference between Italy & NZ.

[pritch]

...why Italy...maybe this is why...

That was actually more interesting than I thought it would be considering the source. The US statistics she used are questionable though, there is still only minimal testing in the US so there can be no reliable statistics.

Something I saw this morning, a person in the US was exhibiting the symptoms but couldn't get tested for Covid - 19. They got tested for flu instead - and the test came back negative. The person is assuming they have Coronavirus and is acting accordingly.