I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
I checked the 'essential' list from work, I'm on it. Bugger.
But mostly working from home, so plenty of time to weed the vege garden and head out for a ride on the treadly, not entirely sure what the definition of 'local' is yet.
We have had a directive from up above via the boss that we are only doing programmed maintenance and faults, anything else is considered non-essential. So lots of time to *cough* stay home and catch up on paperwork.
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"Oh you don't understand, it's too complex for you, but don't worry, I really understand how EVERYTHING works and I'll usher in the Utopia"
- Every Marxist/Socialist/Communist/RBEist ever.
For historical context - that's normally right before the Mass Executions and Mass Starvations start happening, which serves to prove the point that they really DON'T know how it works.
The problem is, I've got a very good idea how Money and Economy works, It's one of the reasons I'm able to consistently hit your nerves when you are feeling brave enough to venture out of your echo-chamber.
But being the generous sort of chap I am - Have you managed to resolve the problem of Consumer choice without the use of Money yet? I'll refresh your Memory:
You have a single Cow, which, when slaughtered, produces a finite number of Steaks - 10 Sirloin, 5 Eye Fillet, 30 Rib Eyes and 40 roast steaks. There are 200 people. How do you distribute the Steaks without the use of Money, without limiting individual freedom to choose, without slaughtering additional cows (leading to wastage) and without subdividing the cuts of meat.
In a Monetary system (or even any system where the transfer of goods is predicated on the transfer of items of equivalent value), price rises to the point where supply and demand are equal. If you can't afford a Steak today, you can work harder or save so that you can afford a steak at another point in time, or you can decide you don't like steak - eitherway Individual choice is maximized.
For reference - your last attempt to solve the conundrum was corruption and bribery (if memory serves - you suggested a system based on Sexual Favors) - which is interesting, since that is exactly what happened every time a variant of your repeatedly debunked idea was tried.
So, you're either a Parasite (oh look, a Marxist mooching off of everyone else, how original... not) or you are playing very loose with definitions, in order to avoid conceding that yes you do have assets (Money, Devices, housing, clothes etc.) thus making my critique valid.
And you'll forgive me from asserting that your regular presence here precludes you from being absolutely destitute, homeless and without anything to your name. So you'll have to either front up and admit that you live a comfortable life in the western world off the back of the very things you decry and despise, or lie harder.
And I'd be willing to bet on which outcome will happen.
Edit - just because I couldn't resist.
And if I say No, I don't want to do either of that? What then?
Well, that's when you use Force to ensure I'm doing what you want me to be doing.
Remind me again - what's the word we use for being forced on pain of death to work without reward? Ah Yes - Slavery.
The problem with a Monetary supply without a relationship to things being produced is it doesn't work - Weimar republic? Hyperinflation of the Papiermark? I mean fuck - how many times can you repeat ideas that have:
1: Been tried before
2: Failed epicly
3: Be willfully ignorant of points 1 and 2 with a zealous belief that YOU are the economics genius that can make them work this time.
Again, it's not like I'm needing to use Hypothetical scenarious or the concept of Human Nature (which despite having over 200 documented instances of Human Universals, you still don't believe in) to debunk your waffle, I can simply point to the real-world application when it was tried and the predictable failures that ensued.
Last edited by TheDemonLord; 26th March 2020 at 18:56. Reason: couldn't resist
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Lard.
Called it.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
I have a covering letter waiting for me at work which i can show to plod if asked - dunno why it wasnt at least emailed to me we are not essential but are a MHF - Major Hazards Facility, so my workplace have a dispensation for us to go and 'monitor' stocks and its condition(s) 24/7, we are shut down tho.
...we bin slaves for years man...we don't own no cows and we just wanna git by, on a hard ole planit...mebbe we all could help you out someways, sometime...you sure may need it... ah aint sure that you have your intellect gathered in one place...ah aint sure you'd know you were bein fucked 'til you coughed'......then it's too late...smart asse's don't mean nuthin, cuz...
It's a Negotiation. Always has been. Always will be.
I know that when I go to work, My Company gets more value out of my labour than they pay me in my Salary. But I also know that I'm trading some of my earning potential for things that I place value on - like Job Stability, up-skill opportunity, Holidays etc.
I'm free to negotiate on some things, I could go full contractor and earn 3-4 times what I'm currently being paid, but doing so would mean giving up some things that I like. Conversely, I could choose a lower paid position for less responsibility, a strict 40 hour work week and less stress.
So yes, we are all being 'fucked', from the poorest unfortunate to the Billionaire CEO working 100+ hours a week. So long as we have sufficient freedom to choose in what manner and how deep, that's what's important to me.
And if in that process we can find better ways to improve society and help those who are truly fucked, well even better.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Quite.
If you were so advanced in thought as you claim to be, an actual rebuttal would be simple and easy. Like when I say 'Price rises or falls until supply = demand".
Of course, if you were full of shit, you'd avoid trying to rebut it (since it would serve only to highlight your failures and shortcomings) and simply reply with something smug as if you'd won....
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Laughter - maybe.
Cognitive thought and persuasive argument - Suspiciously lacking.
You still cannot solve the problem of user choice and scarcity in your system. All of your 'we can just get more under an RBE' (doubly hilarious because of your critique of 'consumerism') fails, spectacularly. You either have a system that massively over-produces with huge wastage, or you end up with a system where there is no individual choice - everything gets allocated by the Government - and as you yourself have stated, such a system breeds corruption (just like every Communist state... Funny that).
Neither can you solve the problem of Human Nature being fundamentally incompatible with your system, in fact you fail so badly at this hurdle that you have to Pray the Human Nature away.
Who is the Simpleton? The person who has to deny reality in order to preserve their flawed ideology or the person who can debunk it with a simple sentence: "Price rises or falls until Supply equals Demand".
But by all means, continue shitting on the Chess Board and strutting around like you've won - it's just proof that you've the intellect of a Pigeon.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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