A fictional pandemic scenario?

[Katman]

Having just finished reading Robert F Kennedy Jr's book 'The Real Anthony Fauci' I'm picking there are to be some big name's heads rolling when the new Trump administration takes over.

Presumably that's why Biden is considering a preemptive pardon for Fauci.

[TheDemonLord]

Having just finished reading Robert F Kennedy Jr's book 'The Real Anthony Fauci' I'm picking there are to be some big name's heads rolling when the new Trump administration takes over.

Presumably that's why Biden is considering a preemptive pardon for Fauci.

Isn't Stalinda currently in the US...

[Berries]

Yes, she'll be visiting the moon landing film set with JFK.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, she'll be visiting the moon landing film set with JFK.

Id prefer she go on a convertible trip with him...

[F5 Dave]

Jeez look at how well this thread has aged. Badly, just look at the title.

I can't read most of the contributions now, but if I'd started such a thread I would be keeping pretty quiet about it. I'd be ashamed of spreading such misinformation.

But I bet the usual suspects have doubled down with selective memory and now somehow want to spin this as 'proof', despite being so obviously a lie.

[Katman]

Jeez look at how well this thread has aged. Badly, just look at the title.

The thread title refers to a fictional global pandemic exercise that was held two months prior to the Covid outbreak.

I can't read most of the contributions now, but if I'd started such a thread I would be keeping pretty quiet about it. I'd be ashamed of spreading such misinformation.

But I bet the usual suspects have doubled down with selective memory and now somehow want to spin this as 'proof', despite being so obviously a lie.

The biggest lie/misinformation was the 'safe and effective' line.

[SaferRides]

It's now 5 years since the Covid outbreak in Wuhan I'd say about 99% of the population just want to forget the saga and move on.

One parting thought - there is a bird flu vaccine all ready to go and it's mRNA...

Happy New Year!

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[Katman]

One parting thought - there is a bird flu vaccine all ready to go and it's mRNA...

And I'm sure there's no shortage of people who have learnt nothing over the last few years who will happily roll up their sleeves again.

[nerrrd]

And I'm sure there's no shortage of people who have learnt nothing over the last few years who will happily roll up their sleeves again.

The vast majority of people didn't die from Covid. The vast majority of people didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine either. So what exactly have we learned?

If we do get another pandemic in our lifetimes, and this time it has a really high fatality rate, there'll be a lot more than vaccines to worry about.

[Berries]

I can't read most of the contributions now,

Yeah, I heard about that reaction to the vaccine. Apparently the Americans knew about it yet still released it.

[Katman]

So what exactly have we learned?

Well I've learned that nefarious powers that be, along with a complicit media, have managed to generate such a level of fear that the majority of people seem to have lost any ability for rational thinking.

[TheDemonLord]

It's now 5 years since the Covid outbreak in Wuhan I'd say about 99% of the population just want to forget the saga and move on.

I would say that there is at least a good 10 percent of the Population that wants to see those that pushed restrictive, unjust, illegal and unethical policies to be held accountable.

However, the deeper questions that COVID raised have not been answered:

What is the correct response to an emerging health issue? Where are the limits of individual liberty? What is the duty of care of the Government? What is the acceptable level of Risk that an individual can assume in the face of an unknown and potentially deadly disease?

And complicating those questions is the fact that the "Experts" have become little more than tools to advance the political agendas. So long as you went to the right university, have the right degree, hold the right opinions - you will be trotted out on every media outlet and diefied as if your word is divine law - even when the mere Plebians are pointing out the flaws in your analysis (or in the specific case - one lone KBer pointing out the Government stats were horseshit).

[TheDemonLord]

The vast majority of people didn't die from Covid. The vast majority of people didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine either. So what exactly have we learned?

Given those first two statements, does that justify the draconian measures the Government took.

I mean, I have been vocal that it did not.

But it does raise questions. You ask what we have learned - I know what I learned - when I was a younger man I read the prelude to WW2 and asked a question that many people asked - how could an educated, rational population (Germany) turn on the Jews, demand to see their papers etc.

All my life, living in the Anglosphere, we used to ridicule that we would ever become a society where we had to show our papers. Covid showed me how cowardly most people are.

For sure - you had people who definitively believed it and sincerely thought they were doing good. You had absolute Legends who openly flauted the rules and would not discriminate based on Vaccine status (or other status) - and then you had the people who just did it so as to not get into Trouble.

That, is what I learned.

And for me - it raises many questions about the nature of Western Democracy: If you are too cowardly to tell your government to piss off when they infringe on your liberties, then why do you think you should have a right to vote?

[Katman]

One of the most egregious aspects of the whole Covid response debacle was how the government (via the Medical Council) inserted itself directly in between the doctor/patient relationship by forbidding doctors to discuss any negative concerns about the vaccines. If they did so, they risked being struck off the medical register. And yet, the pharmaceutical industry's own reports showed a huge array of adverse reactions.

Informed consent is an absolute cornerstone of civil liberty.

[R650R]

Given those first two statements, does that justify the draconian measures the Government took.

I mean, I have been vocal that it did not.

But it does raise questions. You ask what we have learned - I know what I learned - when I was a younger man I read the prelude to WW2 and asked a question that many people asked - how could an educated, rational population (Germany) turn on the Jews, demand to see their papers etc.

All my life, living in the Anglosphere, we used to ridicule that we would ever become a society where we had to show our papers. Covid showed me how cowardly most people are.

For sure - you had people who definitively believed it and sincerely thought they were doing good. You had absolute Legends who openly flauted the rules and would not discriminate based on Vaccine status (or other status) - and then you had the people who just did it so as to not get into Trouble.

That, is what I learned.

And for me - it raises many questions about the nature of Western Democracy: If you are too cowardly to tell your government to piss off when they infringe on your liberties, then why do you think you should have a right to vote?

To quote George Carlin loosely, the spectacle of democracy is just one big clown show to create the illusion that you have a choice of some sort. You don’t.
No matter who is in power they will do what they want and most won’t protest about anything. About the only things in recent history people have cared about were playing rugby against South Africa cause they might beat us,nuclear weapons in our waters and the Iraq war(quite big global protest worldwide).