Who thinks after 4 weeks we will be back at work?

[FJRider]

I guess the number of weeks is up to the citizenry. If everyone behaved and all the virus cases come out of the woodwork in the first two weeks, then yeah ... 4 weeks could work. I'm expecting another couple to be tacked on at the end though and borders to remain closed for quite a while longer.

The panopticon effect is a control method ... explained in the form of an observation tower centrally placed in a circle of prison cells. From the tower a guard can see into every cell and inmate ... but the inmates are unable to see inside the tower. The prisoners can never know if they are being watched or not ...


In most cities ... there are large numbers of Web-cams about (hanging off power poles and traffic lights at prominent points) ... but only a few accessible for public viewing. Now you know why ...

[eldog]

I would doubt 4 weeks

Look at whats happening in Australia

Some people only have to come over here and it would start again.....

I have a customer who is desperate to get goods we are making out of the workshop. Tells everyone they are essential.

I work with 8 people who would be in the high risk category.

I would prefer to wait-yes I am able to work from home. But they are not.

Everyone has to be on board or it fails to have effect.

[Viking01]

If you want a prime example of a lack of cogent thought and downright open denial the government of the US of A would seem to top the list https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw

Don't forget that the current US federal level response is to be co-ordinated by FEMA:

https://www.fema.gov/coronavirus/faq

Which you might remember from New Orleans and hurricane Katrina days back in 2005:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ricane_Katrina

or hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico in 2017:

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/13/62886...aster-response

[Viking01]

Don,
Just a small point, but it might be better if you do the consultation before you talk to the press (and not afterwards). It looks and sounds more Presidential:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...nd-connecticut

[Bonez]

FEMA have got plenty of concrete multi-body coffens set up all around the states and huge captivity areas.

[Katman]

FEMA have got plenty of concrete multi-body coffens set up all around the states and huge captivity areas.

Jesse Ventura covered a similar story 6 years ago.

He was either well ahead of his time or the plan's running a little behind schedule.

[Bonez]

Jesse Ventura covered a similar story 6 years ago.

He was either well ahead of his time or the plan's running a little behind schedule.

Some random lads were going through a relatively new built up area in one city and recorded a "construction" site with 100s of the things layed out just below ground level ( a foot or so). Around Nov last year someone in Commyfornia video almost a mile long train loaded with newly built 4x4 military vehicles with new sound based crowd control emmitters mounted on them.

[speedpro]

Talk of flattening the curve is all about managing the workload of the medical personel. If you look at the area under the curves, which are probably just for illustration rather than based on actual numbers, the areas are about the same. In other words they expect the same number of infections, and therefore deaths, minus a few if the medics can keep on top of it. To think that all infectious people will be identified in 4 weeks is a joke, even 8 weeks. What will need to happen is to manage the workload of medical staff while returning to "normal" as much as possible.
The USA may have a point with letting it run it's course while keeping business going. It will be interesting to see the percentages in a years time of each approach to battling the virus.

[Katman]

The USA may have a point with letting it run it's course while keeping business going. It will be interesting to see the percentages in a years time of each approach to battling the virus.

As long as no American is allowed to leave the country throughout that process, I'll have no problem sitting back and watching the devastation it causes there.

[speedpro]

Devastation for mainly a certain demographic - the elderly and unwell. The same people that are vastly more affected by the common cold & pneumonia each and every year, and also by this virus. Last week the average age of victims in Italy was 80, according to the media anyway. Business? Devastated? Not so much.

There is similarities with pneumonia as far as I can tell - modes of transmission and the demographic of those most at risk. Unless the virus is totally eliminated, which history says is not going to happen, infections will continue with particularly adverse effects on mainly the elderly. One question is whether there will be more infected in total with either strategy to combat the virus. I suspect the totals will be substantially similar whether you go into lockdown and drag it out, or, carry on with life and business and get it over with.

Time will tell.

[pritch]

There is similarities with pneumonia as far as I can tell

There is a strong similarity, most people whose death is caused by the virus actually die of interstitial pneumonia.

[pritch]

Some police forces in Britain have been inundated with calls; people dobbing in their neighbours for exercising more than the once a day limit.

Police chiefs have said they will not be turning up with sirens and flashing blue lights in response to such reports and have requested people stop contacting them.

Real "spirit of the blitz" stuff that.

[TheDemonLord]

Some police forces in Britain have been inundated with calls; people dobbing in their neighbours for exercising more than the once a day limit.

Police chiefs have said they will not be turning up with sirens and flashing blue lights in response to such reports and have requested people stop contacting them.

Real "spirit of the blitz" stuff that.

If only that applied to the Police here... They've even gone so far as to have a form that you can fill out to dob in your neighbours.

[speedpro]

What I would like to see is a report with recommendations from someone like Sir Peter Gluckman. I think he was the Government Science Adviser or something like that. Something along the lines of what he wrote for the Meth contamination issue. A report based on actual statistics and data rather than hysteria and mainstream media drama, and then a plan balancing probable outcomes with probable short & long term consequences.
I have read the Gluckman report a few times and the major research he refers to, mainly the California research on human subjects and the Colorado research using lab rats. Very well written using facts and scientific data.
If only something similar was available in relation to this virus it could assist the Government to make sensible decisions on how to deal with the virus.

[Swoop]

If only something similar was available in relation to this virus it could assist the Government to make sensible decisions on how to deal with the virus.

There are plenty of prepared scenarios available and a lot of them will be sitting in the beehive basement, at CD HQ. Simply retrieve file, adjust for type/peculiarities, then implement.
No need for idiots to go running around like headless chickens.

The crucial part is implementing the plan at the correct time.