The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[onearmedbandit]

I'm not anti seat belt but I think everyone one else should have the opportunity to help pay for my medical bills if I have an accident without one.

I'm not anti helmet but. . .

I'm not anti drive only on the left hand side of the road but. . .

Am I my brother's keeper?

Well, sometimes he's a bit of a stupid cunt, ya know?

Do any of the above scenarios involve putting something in your own body? Try keeping on topic.

[FJRider]

I can't speak for you but I know from my own experiences in life that simply isn't true. Many people look to others or higher authorities for exactly that, to be told what to do, be it their partner, their parent(s),their boss, their god, their country's leader, whoever. By the way that's merely an observation, not a judgement either way.

My own wording ... particularly the nobody part ... was wrong.

Perhaps ... the vocal minority The ("I know my rights") brigade didn't like it ..


But ... was it not the view of the majority "Protesting" in Wellington .. ??

Many businesses were at a point of willing to do anything to start operating again.

Those NOT in the "Essential Industries" were at that point. Those still able to continue working ... had to follow the rules though. Most of the latter already had been informed on what conditions they could continue to work. The company I work for had been.

I only had one week off ... before I was back working. The same pay always in my account every week.

[FJRider]

Do any of the above scenarios involve putting something in your own body? Try keeping on topic.

There are various groups in THIS country ... making millions ... relying on people to do that very thing.

And the majority of those people ... would be anti-vax.


Go figure ...

[husaberg]

Yeah sorry but you made a blanket statement - "I'm not anti vaccine, I'm just anti mandate." Actually means, "I'm just anti being told what to do by a woman.", which is obviously (even by your own admission) incorrect.

For the record, I'm vaccinated, I understand the benefits of the vaccine, I don't support any of the conspiracies surrounding covid nor the vaccine itself, but I am anti-mandate. My reasoning is that I don't believe in giving governments (regardless of whether the leader has a vagina or penis) more power.

Hi Fraser, what you have missed is tldr is on record as saying a female who is pregnant should not be the prime minister on acccount of her "being pregnant."
Amongst other sexist religious other racist twaddle he has peddled, so i would say its pretty valid comment Pritch made. wherever you agree or not. Its such simple math so that possibly even R650r could add it up.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131082116

[F5 Dave]

Do any of the above scenarios involve putting something in your own body? Try keeping on topic.

As opposed to McDonalds, cigarettes, alcohol, vaping, [continue list to whatever level of class A drug pushes your buttons] . Many people will do some, or up to all of those , and then get all sanctimonious about an actual medicine with a shit ton of research. So yeah, I do think the consequences on society of opting out are selfish.

If we hadn't had passports and mandates the vax rate would very likely be lower, like most other countries. And the bigger fallout of people who wouldn't get cancer treatment for instance if the hospital system was even worse affected.

I dont think arguments about personal liberty are that compelling in comparison.

[onearmedbandit]

Hi Fraser, what you have missed is tldr is on record as saying a female who is pregnant should not be the prime minister on acccount of her "being pregnant."
Amongst other sexist religious other racist twaddle he has peddled, so i would say its pretty valid coment Pritch made. wherever you agree or not.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131082116

You totally missed the point. Also please note I never stated there wasn't those that opposed her because she is female.

[onearmedbandit]

As opposed to McDonalds, cigarettes, alcohol, vaping, [continue list to whatever level of class A drug pushes your buttons] . Many people will do some, or up to all of those , and then get all sanctimonious about an actual medicine with a shit ton of research.

How is this even comparable? All those things are personal choices, whether right or wrong. That's their choice to make.

So yeah, I do think the consequences on society of opting out are selfish.

Yes you can argue their reasons are selfish, but I think you'd find it very difficult to find anyone who hasn't acted in a similar way before. I remember being before a judge due to excessive speed in my early years who was describing my riding as 'selfish without care of the consequences to other road users'

I dont think arguments about personal liberty are that compelling in comparison.

And you're welcome to hold that opinion, and I would not judge nor criticise you for doing so. My opinion differs but that's all they are, opinions. Ultimately they're meaningless.

[husaberg]

You totally missed the point. Also please note I never stated there wasn't those that opposed her because she is female.

i think you kind of missed my point, TLDR was on record as being opposed to her, as she was "female who was pregnant". it was his own opinions expreesed.

[onearmedbandit]

i think you kind of missed my point, TLDR was on record as being opposed to her, as she was "female who was pregnant". it was his own opinions expreesed.

And what is your point? That there is someone opposed to Jacinda because she's female? So what? I never said there wasn't any, so I don't see what relevance you mentioning one by name has. It has no bearing on the point I was making with regards to the quote Pritch posted.

But I suspect you already were aware of that.

[husaberg]

Not for the first time I considered something from this source to be completely divorced from reality. Just this morning though I read a likely explanation.

"I'm not anti vaccine, I'm just anti mandate." Actually means, "I'm just anti being told what to do by a woman."

Yeah sorry but you made a blanket statement - "I'm not anti vaccine, I'm just anti mandate." Actually means, "I'm just anti being told what to do by a woman.", which is obviously (even by your own admission) incorrect.
.

Probably similar to here. The majority of the "anti mandate" are not that at all. Most are misfits, misinformed, or mentally unwell. There is still room for misogynists.

Um how does that work in countries that don't have a female leader but still have anti-mandate protests and action?

It doesn't apply to everybody but there would be many for whom that is exactly the case. There will be others who would not agree with anything she did because she's Labour.

I still like the statement.

i think you kind of missed my point, TLDR was on record as being opposed to her, as she was "female who was pregnant". it was his own opinions expreesed.

And what is your point? That there is someone opposed to Jacinda because she's female? So what? I never said there wasn't any, so I don't see what relevance you mentioning one by name has. It has no bearing on the point I was making with regards to the quote Pritch posted.

But I suspect you already were aware of that.

My point is the exact person pritch was responding to (which was tldr)was on record as being opposed to the PM being a woman as she happened to be a women who was pregnant. It was a dig at this attitude.
for some reason, you are missing this?

[onearmedbandit]

My point is the exact person pritch was responding to (which was tldr)was on record as being opposed to the PM being a woman as she happened to be a women who was pregnant. It was a dig at this attitude.
for some reason, you are missing this?

No I couldn't care less, I was taking issue with the quote itself. I have no interest in why it was posted, so your point is not relevant to me in any way.

[husaberg]

No I couldn't care less, I was taking issue with the quote itself. I have no interest in why it was posted, so your point is not relevant to me in any way.

Stool......?

[TheDemonLord]

Not for the first time I considered something from this source to be completely divorced from reality. Just this morning though I read a likely explanation.

"I'm not anti vaccine, I'm just anti mandate." Actually means, "I'm just anti being told what to do by a woman."

So.... Is Justin Trudeau a Woman?

Or what about the article posted by Husaberg from 100+ years ago in the UK, was that being told to do by a Woman?

Cut the Sexist Crap, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Gender and has everything to do with infringing on individual rights. It's wrong regardless of who does it.

[TheDemonLord]

He reckons if contract tracing is no longer carried out the tracer app is redundant so no surprise if usage has dropped off.

I had to paraphrase that. When I asked him he just farted and laughed.

Except contact tracing was 'required' under Red....


Although I do agree to his response about it, Farting, laughing and ignoring is what everyone should have done.

[TheDemonLord]

Hi Fraser, what you have missed is tldr is on record as saying a female who is pregnant should not be the prime minister on acccount of her "being pregnant."
Amongst other sexist religious other racist twaddle he has peddled, so i would say its pretty valid comment Pritch made. wherever you agree or not. its pretty simple math that possibly even R650r could add that on up.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131082116

Given how she's been an absolutely terrible Prime Minister, despite all the Media Fawning, despite inheriting a country that is geographically perfect for resisting a pandemic - that at every opportunity she's infringed on individual rights and liberties, she's failed on every policy she's attempted to deliver - including the ones that I at least agree with the sentiment (if not the stated reasons and solutions).

I'd say on hindsight, that being pregnant was the least of her issues, being an incompetent Socialist (but I repeat myself) who should never have been let anywhere near the leaders of Power (thanks Winston - how's retirement and the decimation of NZ First going?) is more pressing.

Edit: And just for the record (since I know you are going to continue to play the Sexist card) - I'm quite the fan of Margaret Thatcher who also had children. But she didn't have them after she became PM. In fact, both her children were Adults by the time she became PM.