The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[pritch]

As I left the Supermarket today I saw a guy I knew approaching about to enter. I commented that it was difficult to tell who was who with everyone wearing masks.

He told me not to approach too close, "I've got it."


?

I have questions.

[sugilite:Me]

How?

As per my response to F5Dave, well before the introduction of the vaccine Pass, we were on our way to 90% immunity.



I mean, the roll out initially was a little sluggish, but once it got going - even I, the most arden-t critic, gave them a C-.

How? 90% was not going to be enough to avoid overwhelming the lack of ICU beds.
I was on one shot when it cut in, and the first few places that I could not enter, I went fuck it and got my second shot within 48 hours. I'd wager bigglie on my not being the only one making the same decision in those first few days. The numbers shot up to mid nineties pretty fast after that.
Just because you did not like it, did not make it in any way less effective.

[Ocean1]

They should have gone back 20+ years and started funding hospitals properly

You get far better bang for your health buck at primary care level.
Trouble is that's mostly private spend, (GPs), and there's no incentive for costs there to do anything but increase.

As for the rest...
https://www.oecd.org/els/health-syst...stics-2015.pdf

[TheDemonLord]

How? 90% was not going to be enough to avoid overwhelming the lack of ICU beds.
I was on one shot when it cut in, and the first few places that I could not enter, I went fuck it and got my second shot within 48 hours. I'd wager bigglie on my not being the only one making the same decision in those first few days. The numbers shot up to mid nineties pretty fast after that.
Just because you did not like it, did not make it in any way less effective.

No, they did not. Here's the Stats from Google (that famous right-wing site...) - I've even marked the 17th of November for you (the date the Ahren Pass came into effect).



Can you show me where the numbers 'shot up to mid nineties pretty fast after that' on the Graph?

[FJRider]

There is no 'health choices of the Majority', there is only the health choice of the Individual.

That's a collectivist argument.

And it's no different from every *ist claim of 'Group X spreads Disease, so we must discriminate against them'

As I recall ... At "The Protest" in Wellington ... where the "There's NO Covid here" was the catch phrase.


Until ... a few women found ... it WAS there. Then they demanded hospitalization. 17 cases were linked to the protest ... but there were probably more.

Perhaps ... if they ALL did have had the jab earlier ... they would have been all better off from the start.


And nobody (other than them) would have known any differently.


Health choices aren't as simple as some make them out to be.


Or are they .. ??


Go figure ...

[TheDemonLord]

Health choices aren't as simple as some make them out to be.

Or are they .. ??

Go figure ...

Every individual made choices that had a causal relationship to their health outcomes.

They really are that simple.

[FJRider]

One of the most important ones, actually.

Because what is Stupid today might be visionary tomorrow...

Over the years ... I've had stupid ideas about doing things ... Some were a shit load of fun.




Other ones however ... Not so much.


But the guy in the post of mine you quoted here ... might die from his own stupidity.


From smoking or covid.


Or if he's lucky ... old age.

[FJRider]

Every individual made choices that had a causal relationship to their health outcomes.

They really are that simple.

If none of them think they could die from it ... none worry about it.


It's THAT simple.

[husaberg]

Well they did, albeit a bit late.
What they should have done and made no effort towards at all is constructing and staffing covid wards. Bit fucking late when 25% of your effective front line health staff are missing in action.

i find it hard to disagree with that at all .The most disapointing thing for me was how long it took to get the Vaccine roll out started, but i guess the countries with the cases got the vax first.

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That said I remember a certain KB member claiming it was impossible given the logistics of it being keep cold, i bet he has frozen embryos on his face about now.

R650R care to comment?

[sugilite:Me]

No, they did not. Here's the Stats from Google (that famous right-wing site...) - I've even marked the 17th of November for you (the date the Ahren Pass came into effect).



Can you show me where the numbers 'shot up to mid nineties pretty fast after that' on the Graph?

The last few percent is hardly going to show as a steep curve, but yes, you can see the curve going up just fine after the 17th

[TheDemonLord]

The last few percent is hardly going to show as a steep curve, but yes, you can see the curve going up just fine after the 17th

Indeed...

At much the same rate that it had been going up before.

Proving definitively that the Ahren Pass had no noticeable impact on our Vaccination rates. Hence my comment, we were well on our way to 90% vaccination rates without the requirement of the Ahren Pass.

[F5 Dave]

But of course the idea had already been instilled. Get vaccine or you won't be able to do shit. It isn't in isolation.

[FJRider]

... Proving definitively that the Ahren Pass had no noticeable impact on our Vaccination rates. Hence my comment, we were well on our way to 90% vaccination rates without the requirement of the Ahren Pass.

The Pass wasn't introduced to encourage the vaccination rate though ... it was simply to encourage spending.


Many thought once the 90% vaccination rate was achieved ... the "Herd Immunity" would be declared ... and they ... (those that weren't vaccinated) would not need to get the jabs.



They ... were wrong.

[TheDemonLord]

But of course the idea had already been instilled. Get vaccine or you won't be able to do shit. It isn't in isolation.

More lies.

You already got caught in the first lie, thanks to the data, now you're trying to walk it back.

I guess the words that 'TDL was right all along' stick so hard in your throat that you're singing that 2+2 is equal to 5 because the party wills it.

[TheDemonLord]

The Pass wasn't introduced to encourage the vaccination rate though ... it was simply to encourage spending.

Many thought once the 90% vaccination rate was achieved ... the "Herd Immunity" would be declared ... and they ... (those that weren't vaccinated) would not need to get the jabs.

They ... were wrong.

You want me to believe that a law that specifically restricts people from spending money in certain places, was enacted to encourage Spending?!?

All this Cope and Apologia - whereas I just have to point to the government's own data that shows I was always right.