The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[onearmedbandit]

Ah I just realised I've been trolled all night long. Good effort guys, you actually had me going there. More fool me.

[husaberg]

Sorry Fraser i just cant see how that would be possible?
I have told FJ to be careful of your left hook as it is likely to catch him by surprise as might come out of nowhere

[TheDemonLord]

History being MADE. YOU are correct.

NO. You only need an injection or two. Hardly ... A medical procedure. But if you want to call it that ...

It doesn't matter if it's a single prick of a needle or a full blown amputation, organ transplant and blood transfusion. Bodily Autonomy and informed Consent.

Clearly ... they DIDN'T want UN-Vaccinated riff-raff contaminating the (obviously) more intelligent vaccinated portion of society. Their choice NOT too.

Ah yes, can't have the Bourgeoisie contaminating the Proletariat or the Jews contaminating the Aryans or the Blacks contaminating the Whites.

Do you realize who you sound like yet?

It worked for ME. As already stated (by ME) .. PLENTY were REFUSED service ... because THEY had NO vaccine pass.

Which bit of that do you NOT understand .. ??

The part where you think people who want to spend money being refused service (and therefore not spending money) is the result of a policy (as per you) designed to promote spending.

Seems quite the opposite, by your own statements.

Private businesses were continuing to make money. Win win.

Those businesses caught allowing customers without passes to partake of their wares ... were shut down.

Bugger eh .. !!

A good plan though ... just didn't work as well as it was hoped. That UN-vaccinated Riff Raff needs educating.

Or, without the rule, all businesses could have made more money. Which means your earlier statement of why it was introduced was a Lie.

I'm NOT a socialist ... so you wouldn't hear it from me. But I DID find the result funny.
Two-tier ... you mean those ALLOWED to avail themselves of the businesses that were open for business ... and those NOT ALLOWED ENTRY into those businesses ... because they CHOSE NOT TO BE VACCINATED.
In effect ... THEY created their own issue.
BUGGER ... eh .. !!

Imagine, for a moment, that the choice to enforce the Vaccine Pass was voluntary - I'd say 90% of businesses wouldn't bother and the 10% that would, most likely would quickly change their tune.

However - you keep putting the onus back on the wrong place, I believe the common term is 'Victim Blaming' (which I'm loathed to use) - the simple fact is that the Law creates an element of Coercion. As we can plainly see from the Data, Coercion that was not needed - we were well on our way to hitting the magical 90% vaccination rate without it.

When you are coercing someone into doing something, you can't then say that the consequences you enforced on them are the result of their own free will.

[pritch]

Maybe he can't afford the Delivery fee?

Who are you to dictate to other people what they do and don't need?

How would you feel if someone took your Motorbike because you don't need it, there's Uber afterall.

All complete nonsense of course.

Oh, and I see Bishop Brian is claiming credit for the removal of the vaccine pass requirement. Yeah right.

[TheDemonLord]

All complete nonsense of course.

Not at all - you don't know the exact intricacies of their life, they might have a very good reason for doing what they did, that you aren't aware of.

Oh, and I see Bishop Brian is claiming credit for the removal of the vaccine pass requirement. Yeah right.

I wouldn't expect anything less from that Twat. He is the very definition of a Broken Clock...

[FJRider]

It doesn't matter if it's a single prick of a needle or a full blown amputation, organ transplant and blood transfusion. Bodily Autonomy and informed Consent.

As I said ... call it what you like. And it was (health wise) in your own best interest.

Ah yes, can't have the Bourgeoisie contaminating the Proletariat or the Jews contaminating the Aryans or the Blacks contaminating the Whites.

Glad you agree ...

The part where you think people who want to spend money being refused service (and therefore not spending money) is the result of a policy (as per you) designed to promote spending.

The MAJORITY of the population were happy about using the Vaccine Passport ... can't please everybody I guess.

Or, without the rule, all businesses could have made more money. Which means your earlier statement of why it was introduced was a Lie.

With the covid Passport system ... they had a better chance of staying safe and open for business.

Imagine

Love that song ...

When you are coercing someone into doing something, you can't then say that the consequences you enforced on them are the result of their own free will.

But if they do it ... whats the problem .. ?? It was in their best interest.

[TheDemonLord]

As I said ... call it what you like. And it was (health wise) in your own best interest.

The only person who gets to decide what is in my best interest, is me.

The MAJORITY of the population were happy about using the Vaccine Passport ... can't please everybody I guess.

Compliance =/= happiness.

We'll see just how many people use it after it's not mandatory, I'll bet it will be single digit percentages. Which means the Majority weren't happy, at all.

With the covid Passport system ... they had a better chance of staying safe and open for business.

Clearly not! Plenty of businesses with Vaccine passport rules had to shutdown due to Covid rules. Funnily enough, the ones that didn't bother with the passport... not so much...

Love that song ...

It's virtually the Communist Manifesto...

But if they do it ... whats the problem .. ?? It was in their best interest.

The same problem as when someone holds a knife and says 'Your wallet or your life'.

[pritch]

Not at all - you don't know the exact intricacies of their life, they might have a very good reason for doing what they did, that you aren't aware of.

As you say I may be unaware of the "intricacies," but I've known the guy since 1973. He is bright but has an attitude. Not giving a fuck about being out and about with COVID would fit with his demonstrated outlook on life.

But you can feel free to manufacture whatever fiction you like. Why change now.

[TheDemonLord]

As you say I may be unaware of the "intricacies," but I've known the guy since 1973. He is bright but has an attitude. Not giving a fuck about being out and about with COVID would fit with his demonstrated outlook on life.

But you can feel free to manufacture whatever fiction you like. Why change now.

Sounds like we'd get along, got his number?

But jokes aside - you're assuming a lot. As you say - being out and about would fit with his outlook - but you don't know that this was the specific reason.

This isn't manufacturing a fiction - this is pointing out you are making a great number of assumptions, far more assumptions that you have pilloried me for less.

[onearmedbandit]

Sorry Fraser i just cant see how that would be possible?
I have told FJ to be careful of your left hook as it is likely to catch him by surprise as might come out of nowhere

I guess out of the two possible options it's a relief to see you're both just trolls...

[FJRider]

The only person who gets to decide what is in my best interest, is me.

That's why you got the jabs ... right .. ??

Compliance =/= happiness.

We'll see just how many people use it after it's not mandatory, I'll bet it will be single digit percentages. Which means the Majority weren't happy, at all.

YOU complied ... but you're not happy. What went wrong .. ??

If our wise leader deems it safe .... whom are we to argue .. ??

Clearly not! Plenty of businesses with Vaccine passport rules had to shutdown due to Covid rules. Funnily enough, the ones that didn't bother with the passport... not so much...

Those not following the rules were shut down. Some closed due to not enough customers. And a few I heard of weren't doing that well previous to their closure.

Go figure ...

It's virtually the Communist Manifesto...

It made lots of money.

The same problem as when someone holds a knife and says 'Your wallet or your life'.

You have choices then too.

It usually hurts you more if you do not comply.

Go figure ...

[husaberg]

But you can feel free to manufacture whatever fiction you like. Why change now.

shit dude he has already Jeffery archer'd the shit out it.

[TheDemonLord]

That's why you got the jabs ... right .. ??

YOU complied ... but you're not happy. What went wrong .. ??

If our wise leader deems it safe .... whom are we to argue .. ??

I was happy with the option to get the Vaccine, I did my reading on it and made my decision irrespective of any need for enforcing Compliance.

When they introduced an element of Coercion: "Get the Vaccine or you can't do XYZ", that is wholly immoral. That was when it went wrong.

Those not following the rules were shut down. Some closed due to not enough customers. And a few I heard of weren't doing that well previous to their closure.

Sounds like a perfect articulation of why it was completely unnecessary.

You have choices then too.

It usually hurts you more if you do not comply.

Does it? Maybe in the short term, maybe in the Long term, maybe not and maybe it hurts a lot more if you DO comply:

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

[pritch]

shit dude he has already Jeffery archer'd the shit out it.

That's weirdly appropriate. How can I put this? Archer attempted to access a military related organisation to which he was not entitled? When it was suggested that he may qualify, he didn't explain that he didn't, he implied that he did. He didn't actually lie but...

Wikipedia details other 'misleading statements.'

[pete376403]

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

It is rather a pity that the death toll seems to be overly represented by those in the "trivial old age" group, probably infected by the "new generations"