The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[TheDemonLord]

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

It is rather a pity that the death toll seems to be overly represented by those in the "trivial old age" group, probably infected by the "new generations"

That is the way of things, people plant trees for which they will never sit in the shade.

[R650R]

That is the way of things, people plant trees for which they will never sit in the shade.

Well they just might if you call forest fire smoke shade.... it does block sun...

Tv one Sunday program had great show recently about the “ carbon farms” being planted up on east coast. Apparently there is no regulation around the need to conduct pest control, thinning or to build fire breaks and fire fighting dams, let alone access roads for fire crews.
Apparently one farmer already nearly lost his home due to one of these places burning.
Who knows what tragedy will unfold by the time the govt has finished “ looking into” the issue...

[pritch]

It is rather a pity that the death toll seems to be overly represented by those in the "trivial old age" group, probably infected by the "new generations"

Looking at the figures each day the thought occurs that COVID has got among the old folks homes.

[R650R]

They made a Freudian slip other night....

They reported “14 dead in last six days”..... makes one wonder how many other times a cumulative number was presented as today’s tally....

[Berries]

Burn them.

[neels]

They made a Freudian slip other night....

They reported “14 dead in last six days”..... makes one wonder how many other times a cumulative number was presented as today’s tally....

Pretty sure those people are still dead though. Apparently from the sniffles.

[husaberg]

Pretty sure those people are still dead though. Apparently from the sniffles.

Still likely to remain dead for the foreseeable future as well
Bloody Bat Flu

[R650R]

Pretty sure those people are still dead though. Apparently from the sniffles.

Well with no autopsies well never know for sure. All media articles now say died with not from.
I see this mornings news they are so desperate to keep the fear going they are now talking about 7 day rolling averages of case numbers. What should the bet they’ve will switch to monthly average as cases tail off....
I see two deaths added to “rolling average” as not discovered they had covid til afternoon dead.
If you want to be accurately reporting a statistic you don’t go changing the graph axis half way thru.....

[husaberg]

Well with no autopsies well never know for sure. All media articles now say died with not from.
I see this mornings news they are so desperate to keep the fear going they are now talking about 7 day rolling averages of case numbers. What should the bet they’ve will switch to monthly average as cases tail off....
I see two deaths added to “rolling average” as not discovered they had covid til afternoon dead.
If you want to be accurately reporting a statistic you don’t go changing the graph axis half way thru.....

You have been watching far too many episodes of Quincy, M.E you do not need to have an autopsy to confirm the cause of death its not a very common procedure either, the coroner directs it only if it's suspicious and not an obvious cause of death or to other factors need to be determined.
a PM doesn't confirm the cause of death the coroner does sometimes using information from a Post Mortem.
i realize you are a silly troll but these are people's lives you are trolling about , You are indeed a complete waste of oxygen
I hope this fills your troll tummy getting a rection you crave as your life is clearly so empty and unsatisfactory.
Have a nice day.

ps i see you have changed you tag line it should read dunning Kruger victim as thats is what you are.

A June 2020 study details autopsies from 80 COVID-related deaths in the German state of Hamburg. It found 57 of the 80 deaths were “definite” COVID-19 deaths, while four were attributed to other causes. The remainder were either “probable” or “possible” COVID-19 deaths.

One of the study co-authors, Professor Jan-Peter Sperhake from University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, told AAP FactCheck: “Of course we can prove that people are dying from COVID-19.”

“We have autopsied a great many people who have died from the disease … the problem is that conspiracy theorists do not accept scientific evidence,” he said in an email.

Prof Sperhake has previously argued that autopsies have been underused with COVID-19 victims – possibly due to concerns that corpses may be contagious – they are now much more common and accepted than they were at the beginning of the pandemic”.

[TheDemonLord]

It found 57 of the 80 deaths were “definite” COVID-19 deaths, while four were attributed to other causes. The remainder were either “probable” or “possible” COVID-19 deaths.

So, according to the study you cited, of the 80 deaths, nearly 30% weren't definite Covid Deaths.

5% being definitively not.

That's quite a variance in such a small sample size.

Now, the blurb you posted doesn't elaborate on what probable or possible means - but I think we can infer that there were other things present which muddied the water (Old age, pre-existing conditions, excess weight etc.)

This isn't a case of Dunning-Kruger, it's a case of when you use quick and dirty metrics as the basis for restrictive public policy, people are going to be extremely hostile to even small discrepancies in the data being used for said justification.

[Ocean1]

when you use quick and dirty metrics as the basis for restrictive public policy, people are going to be extremely hostile to even small discrepancies in the data being used for said justification.

Be reasonable, what other sort of metrics are going to prove our policies are kosher?

[pritch]

They made a Freudian slip other night....

They reported “14 dead in last six days”..... makes one wonder how many other times a cumulative number was presented as today’s tally....

They"ve been doing that for a few weeks. When the post mortem results come in positive the numbers are adjusted up.

[husaberg]

Be reasonable, what other sort of metrics are going to prove our policies are kosher?

You means the whole world covid reporting policies.
thats what it was prior?

But if you look at this metric guess what

global Covid-19 excess deaths were estimated at double or even quadruple the 5 million-odd reported deaths.
Plank says "basically you (look at) the total number of people who are dying for any reason - is that higher or lower than what you would typically see in a normal year pre-Covid?"
It is calculated as excess deaths = reported deaths - expected deaths.
"So you can look at this as an indicator of - is the fact that we're in a pandemic adding to our total mortality with total number of people who are dying?
"It's different at the moment, but over the last couple of years New Zealand has in fact had less deaths, whereas you know, most countries who've had big Covid waves have had a lot more deaths than normal because so many people have died from Covid."

In fact, Aotearoa's excess deaths are currently negative - potentially a result of reduced mortality due to a reduction in things like seasonal influenza due to Covid-19 health measures. That's not the case for most of the world.

[TheDemonLord]

You means the whole world covid reporting policies.

Indeed - when dying in a Car Crash with Covid is reported as Dying from Covid, it means the reporting is wrong...



Which is why the NZ Government changed it.

Or should I start spasticly saying 'Husaberg knows more than the NZ Government'

[Berries]

Indeed - when dying in a Car Crash with Covid is reported as Dying from Covid, it means the reporting is wrong...

Unless they sneezed.