The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[mashman]

Mashman. Dickhead.

Why do you come here? You're not a motorcyclist.

And everyone thinks you post disinformation.

Oh, Hi Master.

"I'm thinking it is some sort of sexual deprivation thing where he has to humiliate himself in front of his master." - Dave.

Not everyone considers replicated scientific findings disinformation. And anyone who denies themselves access to information because of the person posting it, let alone the source, is someone without knowledge. All that can be done then is to shoot the messenger... but Dave, you;re a really shit shot when you're drunk, I mean really really bad, you might kill someone with such shit judgement.

[husaberg]

Oh, Hi Master.

"I'm thinking it is some sort of sexual deprivation thing where he has to humiliate himself in front of his master." - Dave.

Not everyone considers replicated scientific findings disinformation. And anyone who denies themselves access to information because of the person posting it, let alone the source, is someone without knowledge. All that can be done then is to shoot the messenger... but Dave, you;re a really shit shot when you're drunk, I mean really really bad, you might kill someone with such shit judgement.

You are knowingly misrepresenting data....We have explained why...

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...s-epoch-times/

[Kendog]

Oh, Hi Master.

"I'm thinking it is some sort of sexual deprivation thing where he has to humiliate himself in front of his master." - Dave.

Not everyone considers replicated scientific findings disinformation. And anyone who denies themselves access to information because of the person posting it, let alone the source, is someone without knowledge. All that can be done then is to shoot the messenger... but Dave, you;re a really shit shot when you're drunk, I mean really really bad, you might kill someone with such shit judgement.

You continue to come here posting misleading information. And you wonder why you get all these negative messages.

[husaberg]

You continue to come here posting misleading information. And you wonder why you get all these negative messages.

[TheDemonLord]

Question for certain people:

"Was it a Lab Leak?"

See, I personally don't know if it was a Lab Leak or not. However - I'm very much on the Bill Maher position that given there is a Lab that specializes in said category of diseases near where the first outbreak was identified, means that for me it was always a plausible theory.

Yet, it was vociferously derided as 'Misinformation' and 'a racist conspiracy theory', with people banned for suggesting it - yet now, the US Energy Department thinks it might have been a Lab Leak.


To be clear - I don't care if it is a Lab Leak or not - what I care about is the treatment that those who believed in what appeared to be a plausible theory (on face value) and were demonized for it.

[TheDemonLord]

Woahboy.

I hope all the Maskholes here are ready, because I've got some receipts.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...3.1125150/full

Conclusion: Face mask side-effects must be assessed (risk-benefit) against the available evidence of their effectiveness against viral transmissions. In the absence of strong empirical evidence of effectiveness, mask wearing should not be mandated let alone enforced by law.

[onearmedbandit]

I’m awaiting the onslaught of memes from our resident google expert.

[TheDemonLord]

I’m awaiting the onslaught of memes from our resident google expert.

Well, he's got his usual 'TDL knows more about X than...' rant.

But so far - turns out that I:

1: Knew more about Covid Death stats than the NZ Government
2: Knew more about Vaccine and transmission efficacy than the NZ Government
3: Knew more about Masks than the NZ Government.

Either I'm a certifiable Genius (and to be fair - I'll take that) or...

The evidence was there all along and I just happened to read it properly.

Guess I wasn't just an asshole that wanted granny to die all along.

[neels]

Well, he's got his usual 'TDL knows more about X than...' rant.

But so far - turns out that I:

1: Knew more about Covid Death stats than the NZ Government
2: Knew more about Vaccine and transmission efficacy than the NZ Government
3: Knew more about Masks than the NZ Government.

Either I'm a certifiable Genius (and to be fair - I'll take that) or...

The evidence was there all along and I just happened to read it properly.

Guess I wasn't just an asshole that wanted granny to die all along.

Or...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. - The benefit of hindsight, and not having any time pressure or responsibility to actually make a decision? - If you make enough statements about something, statistically some of them will turn out to be correct?

Regardless, you did propose that there should be no restrictions, and if the weak die so be it. Which is implicitly saying you don't care if granny dies, it's more important that your freedom isn't infringed.

[TheDemonLord]

Or...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. - The benefit of hindsight, and not having any time pressure or responsibility to actually make a decision? - If you make enough statements about something, statistically some of them will turn out to be correct?

A bit more than twice a day - more like - on every major policy decision I was correct.

Lockdowns - Didn't have a meaningful impact, wrecked the economy,
Vaccines - Didn't stop transmission
Ahren Passes and a 2 tier society - No pragmatic justification and completely illiberal.
Masks - Didn't stop the virus and have a number of side effects.
Covid Death Stats - Reporting Died with Covid was causing a massive inflation of Covid Death stats.

As I said - I got some motherfucking Receipts here and I'd like some motherfucking refunds.

Edit: Okay - I'm gloating a bit (and I think I've got a bit of a right to) - but here's the thing - either you have to accept I'm some form of prescient genius to be consistently shown to be correct on these points or.... That the evidence was always there for anyone to read and was either dismissed, ignored, suppressed or otherwise not used by those making Policy. This isn't the benefit of Hindsight - because I said these things were stupid/wrong from day 1.

Regardless, you did propose that there should be no restrictions, and if the weak die so be it. Which is implicitly saying you don't care if granny dies, it's more important that your freedom isn't infringed.

You're right - I did say there should be no restrictions...

And that the individual should manage the risk for themselves as they saw fit. That means if Granny is concerned (as well she might) she can take the steps that she feels she needs to, to protect her health. Something I have never stopped anyone from doing.

It's such a key difference. To put it another way - when you drive a car or ride a bike - you are implicitly saying you don't care if you run granny over and she dies in much the same way.

That's kinda the key part here. If you go all the way back to the beginning - I said my threshold was if the fatality rate goes above 5% I would start to get concerned. At 0.01% - I think we are safe.

Yes - so long as Freedom (both yours and mine) isn't infringed. Because I happen to believe, quite sincerely, that a Free society creates the best outcome(s) in the long run, even if there are sometimes short-term losses.

Almost like there's a principle in there or something...

[sugilite:Me]

I was going to award a win here with a hindsight caveat that Neels mentioned but then I noticed two things.
1. the conclusion has what I interpret to be a fairly personal opinion.
"Conclusion: Face mask side-effects must be assessed (risk-benefit) against the available evidence of their effectiveness against viral transmissions. In the absence of strong empirical evidence of effectiveness, mask wearing should not be mandated let alone enforced by law." Seems like someone has a barrow to push me thinks.
2. despite this paper being published 9 days ago, at the time of this post it has only had 104 views - an underwhelming response imo.

TDL victory lap with gloating rights? Declined - for now.

[TheDemonLord]

I was going to award a win here with a hindsight caveat that Neels mentioned but then I noticed two things.

1. the conclusion has what I interpret to be a fairly personal opinion.
"Conclusion: Face mask side-effects must be assessed (risk-benefit) against the available evidence of their effectiveness against viral transmissions. In the absence of strong empirical evidence of effectiveness, mask wearing should not be mandated let alone enforced by law." Seems like someone has a barrow to push me thinks.

I mean, sure - but then, by that same token, I could claim that the other side has a barrow to push also...

I would suspect that it's probably a direct response to all the politicization of Science making it harder to do proper science.

2. despite this paper being published 9 days ago, at the time of this post it has only had 104 views - an underwhelming response imo.

Indeed - I imagine people don't like being told they were illiberal totalitarians by smug assholes who they used to deride as conspiracy theorists.

TDL victory lap with gloating rights? Declined - for now.

It's all good - I've still got the one from the Government Stats whilst you wait for this to be proven.

[husaberg]

I was going to award a win here with a hindsight caveat that Neels mentioned but then I noticed two things.
1. the conclusion has what I interpret to be a fairly personal opinion.
"Conclusion: Face mask side-effects must be assessed (risk-benefit) against the available evidence of their effectiveness against viral transmissions. In the absence of strong empirical evidence of effectiveness, mask wearing should not be mandated let alone enforced by law." Seems like someone has a barrow to push me thinks.
2. despite this paper being published 9 days ago, at the time of this post it has only had 104 views - an underwhelming response imo.

TDL victory lap with gloating rights? Declined - for now.

Is someone trying to avoid the fact the masks were never mandated for those that had real medical exemption.....?
https://covid19.govt.nz/prepare-and-...g-a-face-mask/
Apply for a Mask Exemption Pass
Face masks are unsuitable for some people due to disabilities or health conditions.
A physical illness.
A mental illness.
A condition or disability.

[TheDemonLord]

Is someone trying to avoid the fact the masks were never mandated for those that had real medical exemption.....?

You do realize that your rebuttal makes no sense:

'Masks should have never been mandated for anyone'
'They weren't mandated if you had an exemption'

So, you prove they were mandated, those the conclusion of the study a valid critique.

[SaferRides]

Some interesting results when you search for "Frontiers Media credible"

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