The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

**husaberg** · 30th April 2021, 21:58

The truth they are both out there.

**mcshaz** · 2nd May 2021, 16:51

Interestingly, and probably because the bumbling Hillsong idiot Scomo has little to do with matters (largely a state government concern), Australia is not doing such a bad job at containing cases at the boarder, and if anything, better (although this article needs peer review and to present a little more statistical analysis) - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....17.21251946v3 . Similarly governments like NSW have a far greater number of public health personnel, contact tracers, lab staff to do far more tests with an outbreak than we could ramp up to - 137 000 tests in 1 week during the Sydney northern beaches outbreak around Xmas. Finally Australia tends to be more punative with punishments for rule breakers which may impact compliance.

The issue for both nations is what we do when vaccinations have rolled out and some 15 to 25% of the population are conscientious [s]morons[/s] objectors. We both open international borders. COVID spreads among the unvaccinated population and services are overwhelmed (NZ has probably the lowest number of ICU beds per head of population amongst OECD nations). You or I have a motorbike accident, and manageable injuries become life or limb threatening because of ambulance and hospital overload.

**husaberg** · 2nd May 2021, 18:49

https://i.imgur.com/J7LANQ4.mp4

How vaccination to achieve herd immunity works

**F5 Dave** · 2nd May 2021, 19:12

Special hospitals.

Objectors can seek sanctuary in churches where God will take care of them. Also as much homo-opathy as they can eat. Church elders love that sort of thing.

**pritch** · 2nd May 2021, 22:07

A while back I posted that unvaccinated Customs staff may be OK, but people working for contractors would be less fortunate. I got that wrong.
Customs have terminated nine staff who refused to be vaccinated.

**F5 Dave** · 3rd May 2021, 07:23

Here's your chance to get vaccinated months before the rest of the population. Oh, no thanks. I've been doing my own research . . . .

**nerrrd** · 3rd May 2021, 08:40

Gentleman in the carpark at Parrs Park in West Auckland yesterday, sitting on a folding chair next to his ute with a sheet draped across the side of it with this written on it (and hopefully I'm remembering this correctly):

"Govt is lying
Not a vaccine
No immune response"

Clearly another top researcher in the field.

**F5 Dave** · 3rd May 2021, 13:03

No doubt written with his own faeces.

**mashman** · 3rd May 2021, 17:15

Nurse needs real support in London, coz there are still too many Karens around. Pass it on eh!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/B6XjuZKLPiWG/

**mcshaz** · 4th May 2021, 13:21

Originally Posted by husaberg

https://i.imgur.com/J7LANQ4.mp4

How vaccination to achieve herd immunity works

The problem is complex and will involve a) the number vaccinated b) effectiveness of vaccine - Pfizer MRNA vaccine (NZs vaccine) about 90-95% against last year's predominant strains, c) rate of decline of immunity (unknown) d) R₀ or number infected per case - and also the shape of the R₀ probability distribution (N.B. the superspreaders such as at the Bluff wedding cluster last year) e) how every factor mentioned is effected by new strains f) physical clustering effects - conspiracy theorists and religious zealots tend to hang out together.

Fundamentally the inept populist morons Trump, Boris, Modi ... have created a living Petri dish out of humanity and the virus is mutating incredibly fast and selecting for more infectious strains. Taking all the aforementioned points into account, current educated best guesses are that we need about 80% vaccine uptake to reach a herd immunity threshold. Many now believe that, given beliefs about vaccine harm amongst those unable to use logic to balance risks, this is unobtainable.

Even with a herd immunity threshold, without even higher rates of vaccine uptake, disease clusters have a real risk of overwhelming regional ICUs.

Watch this space...

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**R650R** · 4th May 2021, 18:40

Originally Posted by pritch

A while back I posted that unvaccinated Customs staff may be OK, but people working for contractors would be less fortunate. I got that wrong.
Customs have terminated nine staff who refused to be vaccinated.

And about 20 something MIQ workers (some are sub contractors before the hair splitters reee about it)

Kinda says something when people at the coalface and part of the party apparatus donÂ’t want the vax...

And mandatory vaccines was just a conspiracy theoryÂ’s aye????

Remember when drug companies would pay people to be test subjects with stuff thatÂ’s been in development much longer...occasionally someone would suffer a crippling illness and people would wonder why they chose that risk....

Well racial apartheid didnÂ’t work out too well... weÂ’ll have to wait and see how a two tier society based on medical apartheid works out...oh I forgot the race based healthcare coming soon too...
Those who engage in identity politics are going to have a head spin dealing with all the intersections...

**F5 Dave** · 5th May 2021, 07:29

Originally Posted by R650R

. . .

Kinda says something when people at the coalface and part of the party apparatus donÂ’t want the vax...

...

Yeah it does. I'm assuming that you are not expecting customs workers or hotel staff to be medical experts, because that would be silly wouldn't it?

What it says, is how dangerous misinformation is and social media has a lot to answer for spreading it.

**husaberg** · 5th May 2021, 07:50

Originally Posted by R650R

Well racial apartheid didnÂ’t work out too well... weÂ’ll have to wait and see how a two tier society based on medical apartheid works out...oh I forgot the race based healthcare coming soon too...
Those who engage in identity politics are going to have a head spin dealing with all the intersections...

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Yeah it does. I'm assuming that you are not expecting customs workers or hotel staff to be medical experts, because that would be silly wouldn't it?

What it says, is how dangerous misinformation is and social media has a lot to answer for spreading it.

Which actually begs the question what is R650R medical qualifications?
Boy scout merit badge in first aid?

**mashman** · 5th May 2021, 08:32

Originally Posted by R650R

And about 20 something MIQ workers (some are sub contractors before the hair splitters reee about it)

Kinda says something when people at the coalface and part of the party apparatus donÂ’t want the vax...

And mandatory vaccines was just a conspiracy theoryÂ’s aye????

Remember when drug companies would pay people to be test subjects with stuff thatÂ’s been in development much longer...occasionally someone would suffer a crippling illness and people would wonder why they chose that risk....

Well racial apartheid didnÂ’t work out too well... weÂ’ll have to wait and see how a two tier society based on medical apartheid works out...oh I forgot the race based healthcare coming soon too...
Those who engage in identity politics are going to have a head spin dealing with all the intersections...

This guy doesn't seem too in favour of vaccination for covid for a few reasons, not to mention the success rate of the AAPS outpatient treatment guide... and even at that he states that according to the data the J&J vaccine was shown to be the safest in the field. But what would he know eh...

Highly Cited COVID Doctor Comes To Stunning Conclusion: Gov’t ‘Scrubbing Unprecedented Numbers’ Of Injection-Related Deaths