The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[husaberg]

I'm seeing three case studies from your link. Perhaps your internet connection is as incapable of receiving information as you.

There are none so blind as those who will not see

Yet not a single one is a commercial farmer
Why dont you post the imaginary one you seem to think exists form a commercial farmer in the Three Case studies then not using convetional ferilisers only using magic beans and the manure of a few chocks
https://www.integritysoils.co.nz/case-studies/
i will give you a hint a horsey guy
and grape farmer are not commercial farmers
the other i take with a grain of salt as the glowing testomony is nothing to do with not using conventional fertilisers and neglects to mention he still uses conventional fertilisers, did he forget?
https://www.superior.net.nz/testimon...wns-Queenstown
so much for the magic beans

[Naki Rat]

Yet not a single one is a commercial farmer
Why dont you post the imaginary one you seem to think exists form a commercial farmer in the Three Case studies then not using convetional ferilisers only i=uso=ing magic beans and the manure of a few chocks
https://www.integritysoils.co.nz/case-studies/
i will give you a hint a horsey guy
and grape farmer are not commercial farmers
the other i take wit a grain of salt as the glowing testomony is nothing to do with not using conventional fertilisers and neglects to mention he still uses conventional fertilisers, did he forget?
https://www.superior.net.nz/testimon...wns-Queenstown
so much for the magic beans

Raising racehorses, drystock and vineyards are all commercial enterprises who have revised their fertiliser inputs based on Integrity Soils' consultancy with them. I didn't say that regenerative farming was reliant on completely abandoning conventional fertilisers. You're the one that seems to have gained a fixation on chook shit.

We have had the fertiliser spreader here today spreading composted Osflo, RPR, lime dolomite and MOP. Incidentally the Osflo facility is a couple of kms from our property so we also benefit from the reduced fuel use in their providing us with their product. Our soil was fertilised with the least environmentally damaging inputs required that would rebalance the mineral profile we require for healthy pasture and livestock. Not strictly organic in terms of what would be demanded if we were under a recognised certifier but the best compromise in terms of soil health, cost effectiveness and optimum fertility. That is also the underlying logic of regenerative agriculture, which you seem to be confusing with strict organic standards. If you'd taken the time to watch the video I posted earlier you might have realised this.

[husaberg]

Raising racehorses, drystock and vineyards are all commercial enterprises who have revised their fertiliser inputs based on Integrity Soils' consultancy with them. I didn't say that regenerative farming was reliant on completely abandoning conventional fertilisers. You're the one that seems to have gained a fixation on chook shit.

We have had the fertiliser spreader here today spreading composted Osflo, RPR, lime dolomite and MOP. Incidentally the Osflo facility is a couple of kms from our property so we also benefit from the reduced fuel use in their providing us with their product. Our soil was fertilised with the least environmentally damaging inputs required that would rebalance the mineral profile we require for healthy pasture and livestock. Not strictly organic in terms of what would be demanded if we were under a recognised certifier but the best compromise in terms of soil health, cost effectiveness and optimum fertility. That is also the underlying logic of regenerative agriculture, which you seem to be confusing with strict organic standards. If you'd taken the time to watch the video I posted earlier you might have realised this.

I said commercial farming ,like i said stick to your magic beans you will soon need to eat them unless you supply the inputs to match your output its not magic its science and maths.
hense why to fertilise with chicken compost and you said you will need 100's of billions of chickens and to cut down all the trees in need to plant enough maize to feed them, then of course whoops you need to fertilse the maize so you will need to bulzoze all the mountains into the south pacific to feed more chickens for that.....................

[Naki Rat]

I said commercial farming ,like i said stick to your magic beans you will soon need to eat them unless you supply the inputs to match your output its not magic its science and maths.
hense why to fertilise with chicken compost and you said you will need 100's of billions of chickens and to cut down all the trees in need to plant enough maize to feed them, then of course whoops you need to fertilse the maize so you will need to bulzoze all the mountains into the south pacific to feed more chickens for that.....................

You're getting repetitive and tiresome. Time to end the chat I feel

[caspernz]

You're getting repetitive and tiresome. Time to end the chat I feel

Oh c'mon now, I'll admit it's a challenging wank, but I'm almost there

[husaberg]

You're getting repetitive and tiresome. Time to end the chat I feel

really bacause no mater how many times i ask you simply avoid the questions and try and sell me magic beans
I will give you a hint fertisers are easy, its inputs to reach biological optimum, then its inputs in vs outputs out.
The fert companies will give the advice for free no need for a "expert charging by the hour" its a simply computer model.
your cant answer the easy questions as you simply cant fathom you are trying to make outs its some special science instead of admitting you are getting sold some magic beans.......
Next thing you will be extolling the virtues of Maxicrop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxicrop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell-B...torney-General
he lives down the road from you....
he claims that it was special and didtnt need to provde the chemicals as it was "special"

[Jaeger]

I have been watching a guy called Sadhguru.
India used to farm with x amount of trees and x amount of cattle per there patch of dirt.
It worked for long time leaf matter combined with cow dung, blah blah.
Since they have changed their farming practices, they only have 25% of their land left to support growing of crops. They were told to cut the trees down due to the supposed fact that the trees would consume the expensive fertilizers .
Below is a small list of sources where some NPK can be gained.
My wife's family are rice and insect farmers in North east Thailand and its interesting watching them break from old traditions vs modern.

Fertiliser

Nitrogen (n)

Phosphorus (p)

Potassium (k)

Cottonseed Meal

6.6

2 - 3

1 - 2

Ground Fish (Dried)

8.5

7.4

0

Fish, Blood & Bone meal

5

5

6.5

Activated Sewage Sludge

5

3

0

Blood Meal

12

0

0

Rock Phosphate (Ground)

0

26 - 35

0

Bone Meal

3.5

17

0

Chicken Manure (Dried)

5

2

1

Goat Manure (Dried)

1.35

1

3

Sheep Manure (Dried)

1.51 - 3.09

1 - 2.5

0.33 - 2.25

Poultry Litter (Dried)

5

2

1

Alfalfa (Hay)

2.45

0.5

2.1

Tankage

11 - 12

1 - 2

0

Apple (Fruit)

0.05

0.02

0.1

Apple (Leaves)

1

0.15

0.35

Apple (Pomace)

0.2

0.02

0.15

Apple (Skin, Ash)

0

3.08

11.74

Basic Slag

0

18

0

Cana Tree (Ash)

0

0

15.65

Banana Skin (Ash)

0

3.25

41.76

Banana Stalk (Ash)

0

2.34

49.40

Barley (Grain)

1.75

0.75

0.5

Bat Guano

1 - 12

2.5 - 16

0

Beet (Root)

0.25

0.1

0.5

Brewery Grain (Wet)

0.9

0.5

0.05

Brigham Tea (Ash)

0

0

5.94

Bone (Ground, Ash)

Ash)

0

34.7

Silk Mill (By products)

8.37

1.14

0.12

Cantaloupe skin (Melon) (Ash)

0

9.77

12.21

Castor-Bean (Pomace)

5 - 6

2 - 2.5

1 - 1.25

Cattail / Bulrush reed & Stem

2.02

0.81

3.43

Cattail / Bulrush Seed

0.98

0.39

1.71

Coal (Anthracite) (Ash)

0

0.1 - 0.15

0.1 - 0.15

Coal (Bituminous) (Ash)

0

0.4

Cocoa shell (Dust)

1.04

1.49

2.71

Coffee Grounds

2.08

0.32

0.28

Coffee Grounds (Dried)

1.99

0.36

0.67

Corncobs (Ground Charred)

0

0

2.01

Common Crab

1.95

3.6

0.2

Nettles (Stinging European)

5.6

0.7

3.7

Comfrey

1.8

0.5

5.3

Corn (Grain)

1.65

0.65

0.4

Corn (Green Forage)

0.3

0.13

0.33

Cottonseed

3.15

1.25

1.15

Cottonseed - hull ashes

0

7-10

15-30

Cottonseed - hull (Ash)

0

8.7

23.93

Cotton Waste (Factory)

1.32

0.45

0.36

Cowpeas (Green forage)

0.45

0.12

0.45

Black-eyed Peas (Green forage)

0.45

0.12

0.45

Cowpeas (Seed)

3.1

1

1.2

Black-eyed Peas (Seed)

3.1

1

1.2

Crabgrass (Green)

0.66

0.19

0.71

Cucumber (Skin) (Ash)

0

11.28

27.2

Dog Manure

1.97

9.95

0.3

Jellyfish (Dried)

4.6

0

0

Mussel Mud (Dried)

0.72

0.35

0

Duck Manure (Fresh)

1.12

1.44

0.49

Eggs

2.25

0.4

0.15

Eggshell (Burned)

0

0.43

0.29

Eggshell

1.19

0.38

0.14

Feathers

15.3

0

0

Field Bean (Seed)

4

1.2

1.3

Field Bean (Shell)

1.7

0.3

0.35

Smokehouse Ashes

0

0

4.96

Fish Scraps (Fresh)

2 - 7.5

1.5 - 6

0

Mud / Silt (Freshwater)

1.37

0.26

0.22

Greasewood Ashes

0

0

12.61

Beans - Garden Beans & Pods

0.25

0.08

0.3

Gluten feed

4 - 5

0

0

Greensand (Glauconite)

0

1 - 2

5

Grapes (Fruit)

0.15

0.07

0.3

Grapefruit (Skin) (Ash)

0

3.58

30.6

Hair

12 - 16

0

0

Harbour Mud

0.99

0.77

0.05

Hoof & Horn Meal

13

0

0

Incinerator Ash

0.24

5.15

2.33

Kentucky Bluegrass (Green)

0.66

0.19

0.71

Kentucky Bluegrass (Hay)

1.2

0.4

1.55

King Crab (Dried - Ground)

10

0.26

0.06

King Crab (Fresh)

2 - 2.5

0

0

Leather (Acidulated)

7 - 8

0

0

Leather (Ground)

10 - 12

0

0

Leather Scraps (Ash)

0

2.16

0.35

Lemon Culls

0.15

0.06

0.26

Lemon Skins (Ash)

0

6.3

31

Limekiln Ash

0

0.75

2

Lobster Scraps

4.5

3.5

0

Lobster Shell

4

3.52

0

Milk

0.5

0.3

0.18

Mussels

0.9

0.12

0.13

Molasses residue (Brewing)

0.7

0

5.32

Oak Leaves

0.8

0.35

0.15

Oats (Grain)

2

0.8

0.6

Olives (Pomace)

1.15

0.78

1.26

Olive Waste

1.22

0.18

0.32

Orange Culls

0.2

0.13

0.21

Orange Skins (Ash)

0

2.9

27

Pea Pods (Ash)

0

1.79

9

Peanuts (Seed or Kernel)

3.6

0.7

0.45

Peanut (Shells)

0.8

0.15

0.5

Peanut (Shell Ash)

0

1.23

6.45

Pigeon Manure (Fresh)

4.19

2.24

1.41

Pigweed (Amaranth)

0.6

0.16

0

Pine needles

0.46

0.12

0.03

Potato (Tuber)

0.35

0.15

0.5

Potato (Leaves / Stalks)

0.6

0.15

0.45

Potato skin (Ash)

0

5.18

27.5

Poudrette (Compost toilet)

1.46

3.68

0.48

Prune Waste

0.18

0.07

0.31

Pumpkin (Flesh)

0.16

0.07

0.26

Pumpkin (Seeds)

0.87

0.5

0.45

Rabbitbrush Ashes

0

0

13.04

Ragweed (Great / Common)

0.76

0.26

0

Red Clover (Hay)

2.1

0.5

2

Redtop (Bentgrass) (Hay)

1.2

0.35

1

Raw Sugar Residue

1.14

8.33

0

Seaweed (Ascophyllum nodosum)

1.9

0.25

3.68

Rose (Flowers)

0.3

0.1

0.4

Rhubarb (Stems)

0.1

0.04

0.35

Sagebrush Ashes

0

0

4.1

salt marsh hay (salt hay grass)

1.1

0.25

0.75

Salt Mud

0.4

0

0

Sardine Scraps

7.97

7.11

0

Sewage Sludge (Filter bed)

0.74

0.83

0.24

Shoddy & Felt

4 - 12

0

0

Shrimp Waste

2.87

9.95

0

Shrimp Meal

6

6

0

Silkworm Cocoons

9.42

1.82

1.08

Chimney Soot

0.5 - 11

1

0.35

Spanish Moss

0.6

0.1

0.55

Starfish

1.8

0.2

0.25

Sunflower Seed

2.25

1.25

0.79

Sweetpotato Skin (Boiled) (Ash)

0

3.29

13.89

Sweetpotato

0.25

0.1

0.5

Tanbark (Ash)

0

0.24

0.38

Tea Leaves (Grounds)

4.15

0.62

0.4

Tea-leaf Ash

0

1.6

0.44

Timothy Hay (Cat's tail)

1.25

0.55

1

Tobacco Leaves

4

0.5

6

Tobacco Stalks

3.7

0.65

4.5

Tobacco Stems

2.5

0.9

7

Tomato (Fruit)

0.2

0.07

0.35

Tomato (Leaves)

0.35

0.1

0.4

Tomato (Stalks)

0.35

0.1

0.5

Rabbit Manure

7

1.7 - 3.1

0

Wheat (Bran)

2.65

2.9

1.6

Wheat (Grain)

2

0.85

0.5

Wheat (Straw)

0.5

0.15

0.6

White Clover (Green)

0.5

0.2

0.3

White Sage (Ash)

0

0

13.77

Wood Ashes (Leached)

0

1 - 1.5

1 - 3

Wood Ashes (Unleached)

0

1 - 2

4 - 10

Wool Waste

5 - 6

2 - 4

1 - 3

Insect Frass

3

2

3

[Berries]

Brewery Grain (Wet)

0.9

0.5

0.05

Brigham Tea (Ash)

0

0

5.94

Bone (Ground, Ash)

0

34.7

Did I just miss the Melbourne Cup or something?

[Naki Rat]

I have been watching a guy called Sadhguru.
India used to farm with x amount of trees and x amount of cattle per there patch of dirt.
It worked for long time leaf matter combined with cow dung, blah blah.
Since they have changed their farming practices, they only have 25% of their land left to support growing of crops. They were told to cut the trees down due to the supposed fact that the trees would consume the expensive fertilizers .
Below is a small list of sources where some NPK can be gained.
My wife's family are rice and insect farmers in North east Thailand and its interesting watching them break from old traditions vs modern.

Fertiliser

Nitrogen (n)

Phosphorus (p)

Potassium (k)

.....
Tankage

11 - 12

1 - 2

0

.....

Interesting mineral resource list, and that's got to be one of the longest posts ever!

In case anybody was wondering 'tankage' is ground up animal carcasses after they had the fat rendered off; essentially what we know as blood and bone meal.

In addition to the difficulties farmers in developing countries are experiencing as they are pushed into using expensive synthetic fertilisers is the patenting of seed stocks which in many cases bans the practice of seed saving effectively forcing those farmers to purchase new seed every year, and that seed is often selectively bred (including by genetic modification) with production characteristics that are ill-suited to local environments. In India in particular these factors are leading to extreme economic failure and a soaring rural suicide rate.

[pritch]

One way of keeping the number of confirmed cases down. Or would have been if...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/17-bodies-...ry?id=70181840

[Naki Rat]

One way of keeping the number of confirmed cases down. Or would have been if...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/17-bodies-...ry?id=70181840

Similar under-reporting of COVID-19 deaths has happened in the UK. Someone 'forgot' to include deaths in elderly care facilities until recently, and add to that the deaths that happen in people's own homes as COVID-19 victims choose not to go to hospital where they would be forced to potentially die alone away from their families.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...hs-until-april

[Naki Rat]

I said commercial farming ,like i said stick to your magic beans you will soon need to eat them unless you supply the inputs to match your output its not magic its science and maths.
hense why to fertilise with chicken compost and you said you will need 100's of billions of chickens and to cut down all the trees in need to plant enough maize to feed them, then of course whoops you need to fertilse the maize so you will need to bulzoze all the mountains into the south pacific to feed more chickens for that.....................

Was the planting of sunflowers on tonight's Country Calender close enough to magic beans for you? An economically viable large scale farming venture distancing themselves from synthetic fertilisers and not a hairy hippy or bulldozed mountain to be seen
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/country...sodes/s2020-e7

[husaberg]

Was the planting of sunflowers on tonight's Country Calender close enough to magic beans for you? An economically viable large scale farming venture distancing themselves from synthetic fertilisers and not a hairy hippy or bulldozed mountain to be seen
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/country...sodes/s2020-e7

So that makes him perform better then conventional farming....Wow i am impressed..........only that was never mentioned or quantified now was it, thus it is magic beans until those sunflowers can magically replace the nutrients sent of that farm in protein wool and other protects sent of f the farmit isnt sustainable farming its raping the land of nutrients. unless he has 100 million chicken tons of chicken shit.
That why your case studies on the websites were not case studies at all, they have no scientific basis to make claims.

[Katman]

So that makes him perform better then conventional farming....Wow i am impressed..........only that was never mentioned or quantified now was it, thus it is magic beans until those sunflowers can magically replace the nutrients sent of that farm in protein wool and other protects sent of f the farmit isnt sustainable farming its raping the land of nutrients. unless he has 100 million chicken tons of chicken shit.
That why your case studies on the websites were not case studies at all, they have no scientific basis to make claims.

You seem fixated on the idea that New Zealand has to feed the world.

It doesn't - it really only needs to feed New Zealand.

[husaberg]

You seem fixated on the idea that New Zealand has to feed the world.

It doesn't - it really only needs to feed New Zealand.

Yeah so those 90% of farmers whose product is exported ,should just go bankrupt then, as Steve from taupo doesn't understand GDP and trade deficits or economics of a small populated island in the south pacific. Or indeed Farming.
How about instead of trolling you contribute your vast farming knowledge