The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

**Dadpole** · 29th September 2021, 09:05

I believe some of the problem is that publishing online is a very low-cost way to produce a lot of content and that is how success is measured. Any loony - including me - can submit an 'option piece' and (provided it is not too objectionable) have it added to the Herald, Spectator etc.
If they had to commit to costly printing, most of the current ramblings would end up in the Editors bin.

**neels** · 29th September 2021, 15:41

So every day there is another article about someone who has travelled to oz in the last few months, and now can't get home, and it seems to be everyone else's fault.

Did they not read this bit of the press release when the travel bubble was announced? https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...start-19-april
Quarantine free travel will not be what it was pre-COVID-19, and those undertaking travel will do so under the guidance of ‘flyer beware’. People will need to plan for the possibility of having travel disrupted if there is an outbreak

My particular favourite from the last few days are the people who flew to WA to go and get a caravan, after the NSW Covid outbreak had started, and now want the taxpayer to stump up for more MIQ facilities so they can come home, or just let them back in and hope they haven't brought covid with them.

Then there are the people who have lived overseas for 5,10,15,20 years, and have now decided it's a good time to come back to NZ.

I certainly get the plight of people who left a bit before the shitfight started and are stuck overseas with expired visas etc, or have no choice but to travel to earn a living, and they should probably be a priority to get back home.

Perhaps I'm a bit unsympathetic, but for those who have departed recently assuming nothing would go wrong, or lived overseas for a number of years, you've made a choice at some point to be where you are so now you get to work through the outcome of that choice.

**neels** · 29th September 2021, 19:58

Originally Posted by nerrrd

And how can a lottery be unfair when there are limited spaces available? Unfair to John and co because now it’s much harder for those better resourced individuals and their family members to play the system, perhaps?

That probably sums it up.

In the capitalist world of privatise the profit and socialise the cost, they don't care if a particular service is inadequately funded because they can afford it on the private market, so the concept of a situation arising where they can't buy their way ahead of the poor people is probably very difficult to comprehend.

**F5 Dave** · 29th September 2021, 20:09

Let's go for a fuking holiday in a pandemic. Yeah sympathy is not the first emotion.

**pete376403** · 30th September 2021, 07:16

Originally Posted by neels

So every day there is another article about someone who has travelled to oz in the last few months, and now can't get home, and it seems to be everyone else's fault.

Did they not read this bit of the press release when the travel bubble was announced? https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...start-19-april
Quarantine free travel will not be what it was pre-COVID-19, and those undertaking travel will do so under the guidance of ‘flyer beware’. People will need to plan for the possibility of having travel disrupted if there is an outbreak

My particular favourite from the last few days are the people who flew to WA to go and get a caravan, after the NSW Covid outbreak had started, and now want the taxpayer to stump up for more MIQ facilities so they can come home, or just let them back in and hope they haven't brought covid with them.

Then there are the people who have lived overseas for 5,10,15,20 years, and have now decided it's a good time to come back to NZ.

I certainly get the plight of people who left a bit before the shitfight started and are stuck overseas with expired visas etc, or have no choice but to travel to earn a living, and they should probably be a priority to get back home.

Perhaps I'm a bit unsympathetic, but for those who have departed recently assuming nothing would go wrong, or lived overseas for a number of years, you've made a choice at some point to be where you are so now you get to work through the outcome of that choice.

I'm with you on this and especially the superannuits who are crying their benefit will be stopped because they cant get home in time. They have to be away 26 weeks - 6 months - for that to happen. Thats a pretty good break for a beneficiary.

**pritch** · 30th September 2021, 12:03

Originally Posted by R650R

Then there’s our $55milluon of govt “sponsorship”....

I like the Spectator, but when you read it you have to keep in mind that there can be a pronounced lean to the right. Boris Johnson used to be the editor, I seem to recall he left under a cloud. Something to do with screwing the crew?

The Australians are in no position to poke crap at our media. It seems most of theirs is owned by Murdoch and they're all straining to outdo Fox "News" on the RWNJ front.

**husaberg** · 30th September 2021, 16:01

Originally Posted by R650R

Then there’s our $55milluon of govt “sponsorship”....

its closer to 35 million last time i looked.
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/about/ou...-strategy/rnz/
I remember Key giving Rio Tinto that much

the 55 million is the total NZ on air funding for TV radio print opera everything its NZ on air funding
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...APOM6XMFJQFSY/
There is 55 million over 3 years on journalism
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/funding/journalism-funding/
Another $500,000 will be used to research how Crown-funded media agencies can use their assets more efficiently and to work out the future level of funding required for public media.

public media in New Zealand was poorly funded compared with other countries of a similar size and with Australia.
Your posts never seem to stand up to any scrutiny

The money funded to RNZ has been funded to it through all govts because
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/jul...ons/#platforms

I might also point out News talk ZB the home of NZ most right-wing commentator receives funding from NZ on Air.

Is your troll tummy full now?

**JATZ** · 1st October 2021, 03:30

Originally Posted by neels

So every day there is another article about someone who has travelled to oz in the last few months, and now can't get home, and it seems to be everyone else's fault.

Did they not read this bit of the press release when the travel bubble was announced? https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...start-19-april
Quarantine free travel will not be what it was pre-COVID-19, and those undertaking travel will do so under the guidance of ‘flyer beware’. People will need to plan for the possibility of having travel disrupted if there is an outbreak

My particular favourite from the last few days are the people who flew to WA to go and get a caravan, after the NSW Covid outbreak had started, and now want the taxpayer to stump up for more MIQ facilities so they can come home, or just let them back in and hope they haven't brought covid with them.

Then there are the people who have lived overseas for 5,10,15,20 years, and have now decided it's a good time to come back to NZ.

I certainly get the plight of people who left a bit before the shitfight started and are stuck overseas with expired visas etc, or have no choice but to travel to earn a living, and they should probably be a priority to get back home.

Perhaps I'm a bit unsympathetic, but for those who have departed recently assuming nothing would go wrong, or lived overseas for a number of years, you've made a choice at some point to be where you are so now you get to work through the outcome of that choice.

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Let's go for a fuking holiday in a pandemic. Yeah sympathy is not the first emotion.

Instead of sympathy, try a little compassion.
Some of these people are in this position through no fault of their own.
It's not easy being locked out of your own home country. DAMHIK....

**R650R** · 1st October 2021, 08:51

Originally Posted by JATZ

Instead of sympathy, try a little compassion.
Some of these people are in this position through no fault of their own.
It's not easy being locked out of your own home country. DAMHIK....

100% agree. We don’t know people’s personal circumstances. Of course the media will cherry pick the most controversial story to report on to stir things up.
How many of us right now could safely pick up everything’s and move somewhere?
Employment contracts, kids schooling, mortgages... tough time to take that plunge to come back to a country with a massive shortage and rapid rising house price bubble.
I was buggered when I came home from UK years ago, exchange rate shifted significantly meaning I had to sit on my cash til it moved to somewhere better.

**R650R** · 1st October 2021, 09:05

Originally Posted by Dadpole

I believe some of the problem is that publishing online is a very low-cost way to produce a lot of content and that is how success is measured. Any loony - including me - can submit an 'option piece' and (provided it is not too objectionable) have it added to the Herald, Spectator etc.
If they had to commit to costly printing, most of the current ramblings would end up in the Editors bin.

Yep stuff nation section wouldn’t exist you know the bit wherever they let anyone write free material, god there are some suckers out there.
Success is actually in readership which then prices your add revenue. How you accurately measure this in digital real world must be problematic.
The real problem is they drastically altered their business model.
Originally there was quality accurate respectable material produced.
Then in classic race to bottom digital was used to rush out stories with poor grammar and facts missing or inaccurate. Bit like if NASA moved out of rockets into selling fireworks...,
Our semi respected local rag moved from years of successful afternoon publishing to being a morning paper, touted it saving being the right move etc.... so they’ve went from selling last nights and today’s news today to selling yesterday’s and two days ago news this morning...

People will always pay and sometimes pay too much for quality goods and services, but producing lower quality material always means failure never mind if you let political bias in on top.

**F5 Dave** · 1st October 2021, 15:24

So, anyone care to elaborate how are in the situation where our largest city is still in lockdown and many people are facing life changing circumstances as a result? Anyone?