The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[Berries]

Oh, so you'll be turning in your Motorcycle licence then?

Nah, that does not work. If I die on my bike it will mean I fucked up and I have nobody to blame but myself.

If I die of Covid then then the prick who gave me it is the problem. And it sounds like after next week it will probably be some prick from Auckland wanting to have a holiday who gives it me. Gee, thanks.

[R650R]

Including the right to die. Most people who want to open the country up are somewhet limited conceptually. If our COVID casualty rate was the same as other countries we would have 10,000 dead by now. It doesn't cross their tiny minds that they, or their family members, might be included in the 10,000. They view all negative things as happening to someone else. Actually that's typical of right leaning people. They don't care about anything - unil it affects them.

Anyone who doubts that can check it out. There are several key examples in the USA involving presidents, their wives, or prominent politicians.

We’d think nothing in comparison though if a similar amount of troops died in a conflict zone. Let’s say 911 had been based in Indonesia instead of Afghanistan and hordes of fishing boat terror cells were constantly headed our way. Nothing short of a drawn out Vietnam style disaster in the jungle would have been required.
Your forecast 10,000 dead would mostly have been advance deaths of obese, ill, and elderly who may have got pneumonia or normal flu in the next few winters anyway like one of my grandparents did.
Over last two years your 10,000 averages out at 13 people a day, spread around the home country you’d hardly call that dropping like flies in the street as media tried to make out.
Right leaning people thinking of short term pain for long term gain. We’ve smashed our economy and burdened our grandchildren with eternal debt that will cause much bigger pain.
Some lockdown was necessary but way it’s been mismanaged has created unnecessary damage economically, mentally and spiritually.

[R650R]

Nah, that does not work. If I die on my bike it will mean I fucked up and I have nobody to blame but myself.

If I die of Covid then then the prick who gave me it is the problem. And it sounds like after next week it will probably be some prick from Auckland wanting to have a holiday who gives it me. Gee, thanks.

No it will prob be a truck driver brothel and motel hopping around the country delivering the made/imported in Auckland goods you bought online such is our modern economy. Let’s not forget your wedding outbreak in South Island one of the biggest clusters in season one....

[R650R]

Oh dear.... so dangerous to have 10 doses of the safe vaccine even though we have no data that says that would be dangerous. You have to love all these Pandora’s box of perplexing problems permutating from the randomness of human behaviour

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/healt...nes-in-one-day

[TheDemonLord]

Nah, that does not work. If I die on my bike it will mean I fucked up and I have nobody to blame but myself.

Does it?

Are you saying it's impossible for you to die on a Motorbike due to someone elses error?
And are you saying it's impossible for you to kill someone else, whilst you survive due to your error?

If I die of Covid then then the prick who gave me it is the problem.

If you Die of Covid, it will most likely be because you didn't take steps to protect yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

Including the right to die.

Yes.

I've been very absolute on this point, yet people still bring it up as some form of 'Gotcha'. There's probably 100 things that you use/do/enjoy that are potentially Lethal to you and to others, yet you no doubt continue to use them and enjoy them and doubtless believe that it is your right and freedom to do so.

I happen to just be a little more universal on that last point.

Most people who want to open the country up are somewhet limited conceptually. If our COVID casualty rate was the same as other countries we would have 10,000 dead by now.

Maybe, maybe not. There are many factors to consider - e.g. Population Density springs to mind. Geographic Isolation is another.

It doesn't cross their tiny minds that they, or their family members, might be included in the 10,000. They view all negative things as happening to someone else. Actually that's typical of right leaning people. They don't care about anything - unil it affects them.

I simply want my natural rights and freedoms to be respected.

Anyone who doubts that can check it out. There are several key examples in the USA involving presidents, their wives, or prominent politicians.

Okay then, what about Taiwan - they didn't have mass lockdowns, yet have a very low death rate despite having a significantly higher population Density. The UK had massive Lockdowns and a very high death toll.

[TheDemonLord]

Pleas stop quoting TDL hes such a fuking thick cunt. I try not to read it but occasionally skim a bit and feel myself getting stupider for the interaction. Bit like R666 who is going major mashed potato.

Seems like you need a bit of self discipline then if you don't want to read what I write, but you just can't help yourself.

I would also like to point out that if I was as stupid as you claim you'd easily be able to scroll passed what I write. One might conjecture that part of the compulsion (by your own admission) for you to read what I write is that there is something in there that you are struggling to contend with.

[TheDemonLord]

Internal restrictions .. ??? is that when somebody's cock wont fit in your ass. Somebody posted that you were a tight ass ...

I'm not sure where this obsession with me being Gay has come from, probably projection.

They fought or our freedoms ... with bullets flying in their direction. In deserts .. jungles .. and in freezing temperatures. You do it on a computer ... sitting on your boyfriends lap.

What can I say, I'm a very handsome Man...

And I'll agree that there is a difference between those that face bullets and people like me (which is incidentally why I hold those that served in High regard - and yes, that includes you) - But one doesn't have to face Bullets to oppose an Immoral act done by the Government.

The Anti-Slavery movement was decided by a series of Legal Arguments without a shot fired (American Civil War not withstanding)

If the threat isn't real ... don't get vaccinated.

Oh wait ... YOU DID.

Yes, because I decided that due to my weight, it was prudent to get it due to the (very) slight risk if I did get it and the (for me) non-existant risk if I did. I'm happy to report that like all Vaccines I've ever had - the worst side effect was a slightly sore arm for about 24 hours.

Now, if I had a history of adverse reactions to the Vaccine or I was in physically better shape, I might make a different decision - probably not, since the science supporting the Vaccine was pretty solid.

I have always had identity documents ... one is my drivers license. If they scan my Covid pass ... they can ask to see my drivers license to CONFIRM my identity. Why would that be if the Covid pass was a valid (proof of) IDENTITY document .. ??

With the exception of Age-Restricted areas, when did you have to produce your identity documents just to visit a business?

The Covid pass merely confirms that the person named on the pass has had the appropriate vaccinations as listed to the respective national health number. It is not proof the pass holder IS the person named ON the pass.

"The Yellow Star merely confirms that the person is of Jewish Ancestry and has the appropriate level of Jewery as listed to the respective Ethnic Health Number"

Right about now they're building slums to house them. Well ... actually ... they haven't built the thousands of houses they claimed they would for the homeless and needy ... so the great unwashed/un-vaccinated might be safe from that for a while yet. Watch this space I reckon ...

Okay... I laughed....

They elderly WANT the jab to speed the process of getting back to as things were. Nothing mentioned about that particular pensioner was (in the past) fighting for our freedoms ...

So it's shifting the Goal Posts then.... Granted I've not interviewed everyone above the age of 85 - but I have seen a number of very public interviews where they are displeased at the lockdowns and restrictions of their freedoms (and everyone elses) that is being done (supposedly) in their name.

None of them was mentioned was fighting for our freedoms in the past ... you just showed elderly people that need the vaccine to stay alive. Do you WANT them not to NOT get the vaccine and die. Just to prove some point you have (still waiting for that by the way) that you claimed you have.

As per the Lady "I've not got many years left, and I don't want to spend them being stuck inside" - She wants Freedom for all.

Just like me.

I am not aware of ANY of MY rights being compromised. Nor ANY of my freedoms ... although my essential travel letter helps in this regard.

Funny part of it is ... I've NEVER been asked for it.

The last part is key - that's the point I'm making - I outlined earlier why some business are choosing to pay lip service to the rules (and good on them), And one of the reasons is because there's still an ideal of individual freedom and liberty that the rules run contrary to.

And before Pritch jumps on his 'This is RWNJ propaganda' - I'd like to reference Sir Keir Stamer (Leader of the UK Labour Party). I'll preface this with there is not a whole lot I agree with Sir Keir on, so when I do agree with him - you can take it that it isn't coming from a place of Bias or favouritism:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1825276.html

I did and I got the appropriate jabs. It reduced the risks ... not removed them. I'm comfortable with that.

Exactly.

So did I.

And if anyone else I come into contact with has chosen differently, I believe myself to be protected against them.

Government intervention

And with them losing all their freedom to choose for themselves ... surely not.

The REAL risk is the horde of un-vaccinated being allowed to continue to roam (freely and with few restrictions) in our society.

Considering how you grilled me when I copy-pasta'd your name to a quote that wasn't you, I feel I'm well placed to return the favor.

However on your question The Real Risk? To Whom? I'm vaccinated, so are you - the most likely scenario is we get knocked down for a week (like a serious case of the Man-Flu).

So exactly who is this horde a threat to? If the vaccine stopped transmission, I could grant you those that are immuno-compromised and can't get the Vaccine, but since it doesn't - they are also at risk from someone who is vaccinated.

You've been watching too much American TV ... A reasonable case .. same time/same virus/at the same place./security camera footage of all involved parties at that same place ... "Beyond reasonable doubt" isn't really that difficult to prove. Even here in NZ.

A reasonable case, on the preponderance of Evidence - Sure.
Beyond all reasonable doubt? They would have great fun - because the burden of proof would be on the Crown to prove that it could only have been the individual that infected them and not someone else - and for that the lawyer would simply state 'Asymptomatic Carriers'.

Not to mention you'd also have the issue of Mens Rea - Husa posted articles about people being charged for knowingly infecting other people, but it's that word 'knowingly' - you'd have to know you had the Virus and went out anyway.

Good luck with that.

As above ... proof of same time/place etc. Most businesses nowadays have security cameras as a matter of course in case of robbery etc.

Security cameras have enough problems with quality of footage, with capturing robberies. I'm not sure how they would be able to capture the transmission of a Virus some 50nm big.

Maybe 4K resolution will change that... maybe not...

The pandemic isn't over yet. Until Covid (and all it's various strains) are wiped out ... THEN you can talk about the survival rates ...

With 269 Million cases, I think we can safely say we have a sufficient sample set to make some reasonable conclusions. 99% survival rate.

An easy question.

Idiots may take longer to answer ... But the idiots still don't understand that the Covid problem will be around for a while yet.

The NEXT strain of it might kill a few more. The un-vaccinated will be asking why they were allowed to be "Misled" by those various web sites they visited ... weren't shut down (it can't be THEIR fault) ...

watch this space ...

Ah yes, the Dreaded Omicrom, with 0 deaths associated with it, by the WHO.

I don't doubt that Covid will be around for a while, likely it will be like the seasonal Flu - we'll get our Jabs every year, some old people will die directly from it or from complications due to it, life will go on.

Or the Government will continue to pursue an illiberal course of Tyranny and then who knows - I've got my preferred outcome...

[husaberg]

[FJRider]

I'm not sure where this obsession with me being Gay has come from

Its ok. It's legal now.

What can I say, I'm a very handsome Man...

I'm sure he thinks the same ...

But one doesn't have to face Bullets to oppose an Immoral act done by the Government.

One your last post's said it was just illegal. Now it's immoral. What changed.. ??

The Anti-Slavery movement was decided by a series of Legal Arguments without a shot fired (American Civil War not withstanding)

How they decided to end it is irrelevant. That didn't start the Anti-slavery movement in the first place. It would be the worst example of Mans inhumanity to man ... which is why The majority of the public opinion said it had to end. And so it did.

Those against the Covid Pass system are very much the minority. A subtle difference between the two arguments.

Yes, because I decided that due to my weight, it was prudent to get it due to the (very) slight risk if I did get it and the (for me) non-existant risk if I did. I'm happy to report that like all Vaccines I've ever had - the worst side effect was a slightly sore arm for about 24 hours.

Life will be better for you ... if you were a skinny useless Islamophobic prick.

Now, if I had a history of adverse reactions to the Vaccine or I was in physically better shape, I might make a different decision - probably not, since the science supporting the Vaccine was pretty solid.

The anti-vaccine crowd say exactly the opposite. How come ... ??

With the exception of Age-Restricted areas, when did you have to produce your identity documents just to visit a business?

Read my post ... I said I CAN produce a valid identity document (my drivers license) if required ... to confirm the person named on my covid pass (which is NOT a valid identity document) is really me. I have not yet been required to produce it for that reason. Nor have I said I have been asked to produce it.

"The Yellow Star merely confirms that the person is of Jewish Ancestry and has the appropriate level of Jewery as listed to the respective Ethnic Health Number"

"The Yellow Star" was a symbol as a group identity. Not necessarily of their ancestry ... just their beliefs. A Gang patch isn't much different actually ...

Okay... I laughed....

How nice.

So it's shifting the Goal Posts then....

You do it all the time. Why shouldn't I ... ??

As per the Lady "I've not got many years left, and I don't want to spend them being stuck inside" - She wants Freedom for all.

Just like me.

When you're old/fat/gay/Islamophobic/useless ... inside might be safer.

The last part is key - that's the point I'm making - I outlined earlier why some business are choosing to pay lip service to the rules (and good on them), And one of the reasons is because there's still an ideal of individual freedom and liberty that the rules run contrary to.

I thought you were coming to the point ... but no.

You were wrong on both cases. I did point out where you were wrong. So ... still waiting for the point.

And I don't do your links.

Exactly.

So did I.

And if anyone else I come into contact with has chosen differently, I believe myself to be protected against them.

Government intervention

Do not believe you are totally protected. There are no guarantees in that regard.

Are you feeling lucky .. ??

Considering how you grilled me when I copy-pasta'd your name to a quote that wasn't you, I feel I'm well placed to return the favor.

I did you no favors. And you gave me an apology. Matter ended.

However on your question The Real Risk? To Whom? I'm vaccinated, so are you - the most likely scenario is we get knocked down for a week (like a serious case of the Man-Flu).

Only a week .. I can live (excuse the pun) with that. I have over 60 days sick leave owing ...

So exactly who is this horde a threat to? If the vaccine stopped transmission, I could grant you those that are immuno-compromised and can't get the Vaccine, but since it doesn't - they are also at risk from someone who is vaccinated.

Good question ... seeing as they are allowed to roam free. If people that are vaccinated can spread the virus to those un-vaccinated ... I can see a few issues coming up though ...

A reasonable case, on the preponderance of Evidence - Sure.

Yep. A fair trial .. then jail them. DONE.

Beyond all reasonable doubt?

As above ...

Not to mention you'd also have the issue of Mens Rea - Husa posted articles about people being charged for knowingly infecting other people, but it's that word 'knowingly' - you'd have to know you had the Virus and went out anyway.

I don't read his posts. He is NOT on ignore. I just choose not to read them ... just keep on scrolling ...

Good luck with that.

To just think you could be infected ... gets you jail time if you actually infect somebody with aids..

Security cameras have enough problems with quality of footage, with capturing robberies. I'm not sure how they would be able to capture the transmission of a Virus some 50nm big.

Maybe 4K resolution will change that... maybe not...

In Cafe's ... masks are not worn while eating or drinking. In robberies ... they usually are.

Note the subtle difference .. ??

With 269 Million cases, I think we can safely say we have a sufficient sample set to make some reasonable conclusions. 99% survival rate.

The last innings hasn't started yet. Until the last ball has been bowled ... and then we'll see who the winners are.

Ah yes, the Dreaded Omicrom, with 0 deaths associated with it, by the WHO.

I did say the next strain. Hopefully the last strain. Not the latest strain. Please try to keep up.

I don't doubt that Covid will be around for a while, likely it will be like the seasonal Flu - we'll get our Jabs every year, some old people will die directly from it or from complications due to it, life will go on.

Time will tell. You may be right. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Or the Government will continue to pursue an illiberal course of Tyranny and then who knows - I've got my preferred outcome...

You are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of how illogical and unbalanced your statements have been to date.

[F5 Dave]

Golly that's s lot of answers.

[husaberg]

Golly that's s lot of answers.

commie bastards and Muslims and feminists making him a low decile incel.

[pete376403]

The anti vaxxers, fearful in their belief that the vaccine is dangerous and who paid a guy to take their shots for them are going to look even more stupid when someone who has had ten times the recommended dose in one day doesn't suffer any of the effects that they were so scared of. Sort of blows that argument away

[pritch]

Okay then, what about Taiwan - they didn't have mass lockdowns, yet have a very low death rate despite having a significantly higher population Density. The UK had massive Lockdowns and a very high death toll.

You seem to have missed the point completely, but since you ask.

In round 1 they went for herd immunity, the government would not shut down air travel to the UK. Later when a new variant emerged in India, Boris kept flights from India going for about five weeks because he wanted trade talks with Modi.

Johnson has consistently fucked the response every time. When it became evident, even to him, that the virus was out of Control they locked down. Well, normal people did, government cronies partied and toured the country. Virus? What virus?

[husaberg]