The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[Viking01]

Was listening to a podcast the other night. Despite the evidence that the drug is ineffective against COVID, .....

Would you do me a favour and post up a few links where Ivermectin has been shown as ineffective ?

I don't mean links to organisations like WHO that have not approved / ratified its usage. I mean medical organisations that have conducted trials that have disproven its efficacy (or its poorer performance relative to other available drugs or vaccines).

Thanks.

Cheers,
Viking

[R650R]

Well well well. It's starting to look as if the anti vaxers may be Russian dupes. No surprises there mind.

https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=337602

You might like to know that NZ is one of ONLY 2 countries in the world that allows advertising by medical drug companies. Given that our media profit should from this are they dupe should too?

Very happy that none of you had side effects from your shot.

One main issue I have really is that you don’t know the quality of what you are being given, never mind that the ‘trials and tests’ are well short of normal standard size with regard to safety. So your trusting a profit driven company to give you a mass produced item into your body....

And then there’s this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...virus-vaccine/

[F5 Dave]

I became eligible at 8am this morning (which gives away my age band). 4 hours later I was walking out with a purple card in my hand. I am very confident in the quality especially compared to say putting McDonald's food (apparently they do it for profit) in me which I generally avoid but you admit to.

I saw a Netflix doco on flat earthers last night. You should watch it. You may recognise some familiar themes.

[FJRider]

Would you do me a favour and post up a few links where Ivermectin has been shown as ineffective ?

I don't mean links to organisations like WHO that have not approved / ratified its usage. I mean medical organisations that have conducted trials that have disproven its efficacy (or its poorer performance relative to other available drugs or vaccines).

Thanks.

Cheers,
Viking

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...o-effect-covid

Note please ... This article was published with the heading "Major study of Invermectin, the Anti-vaccine "Crowd's" [sic] latest COVID drug, finds no effect whatsoever.

[mashman]

Would you do me a favour and post up a few links where Ivermectin has been shown as ineffective ?

I don't mean links to organisations like WHO that have not approved / ratified its usage. I mean medical organisations that have conducted trials that have disproven its efficacy (or its poorer performance relative to other available drugs or vaccines).

Thanks.

Cheers,
Viking

The gent in the video says that Ivermectin isn't effective against Covid19........................... on it's own, and he's kind of surprised that there are doctors and people dismissing drugs on the basis that they do nothing by themselves. But hey, he, and those he co-authored papers with, are clearly suffering from confirmation bias.

[husaberg]

You might like to know that NZ is one of ONLY 2 countries in the world that allows advertising by medical drug companies. Given that our media profit should from this are they dupe should too?

This is not true NZ is one of the two industrialized countries that allow direct-to-consumer advertising of prescription medications. the other is the USA.
Russia
Pharma companies are one of the major categories of advertisers in Russia. TV and radio are the main mass media types where medications are advertised. Medication advertisements occupy about 20% of all advertising time.

Austrailia
Drug companies run disease awareness campaigns that indirectly promote their products, by supporting professional and patients' organisations and by sponsoring journalists.

Hong Kong
Under the Undesirable Medical Advertisements Ordinance, advertising of medications is only legal for "minor" diseases, such as coughs and colds, headaches, indigestion, and others. Ads may not include depictions of treatment, medical professionals, or dramatizations of symptom

United Kingdom
Advertising materials directed towards the general public are prohibited from containing any references to prescription-only medications

Brazil
allows direct-to-consumer advertising of non-prescription medication, with restrictions on the type of drug and words and images that can be used, among other things.

Mexico allows DCA of medicines

[Viking01]

FJ Rider (post #935)

Thanks for the link. I saw it posted earlier, but when I tried to open and read the link, it required me to take out a subscription in order to read the article. Not happening. And given (i) the source = LA Times (ii) the article title (which seemed immediately biased), I was hoping to find something possibly more neutral.

Mashman (post #936)

Thanks for the video clip. I'd viewed a number of video clips by this MD as well as by a number of his similarly-minded medical colleagues.

I perhaps took a slightly different interpretation from the video.

In that he wasn't saying that Ivermectin was ineffective - more that "better treatment results" could be obtained by use of the drug in conjunction with other drugs (taking into account effects on different body organs as the Covid infection progressed through its infection cycle).

I think they were making the point that Ivermectin (anti-viral properties) had been cited as being primarily useful prior to Covid infection (preventative - acting as a prophylactic), as well as helping to mitigate the effects of an infection if one subsequently occurs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

I think that the MD did acknowledge that a moderately to severely ill patient would probably warrant a different treatment regime. Horses for courses.

For countries - such as India, Mexico and some South American countries (e.g. Peru) - that will have both limited access to vaccines - and a limited health budget, then prevention by use of cheaper drugs with prophylactic properties is obviously an attractive option.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/d...h-covid-crisis

Recognise that organisations such as WHO and EMA may currently not recommend (approve) its usage within western countries (EU):

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/em...linical-trials

This appears to be on the basis of the limited number (mix, size) of clinical trials performed to date. Though the latter appears to be being addressed as time goes by:

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Choose "Ivermectin" and "Meta Analysis" from the top two rows in order to select and filter data.

[Edit]

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i...ectin-blackout

[pritch]

It seems the other pandemic in the US is mental illness. This woman covers most of the looney talking points.

https://boingboing.net/2021/08/13/wo...-humanity.html

[husaberg]

Thought i might drop out this nugget

Well well well, our journey into communist hell continues.

There has only been 1650 alleged cases (out of 700,000 tests!!!!) of the virus, but what has spread faster has been submission to communist control.
Nearly 2 million have downloaded the Covid app so you can be sent to a govt “ health” camp to catch the virus if you didnt already have it.

But yay 3 million kiwis have said no to turning their phone into govt spy device.

Tommorow is D-day, public transport will be the barometer of how many of us have rolled belly up to mask wearing.
Hopefully most will say screw this shit and drive their cars to work.

You don’t have to wear a mask if it affects your physical or mental health and you do NOT need to present documents to prove this.

Out and about it’s refreshing to see nearly No one scanning the qr code thingy.

It’s quite clear now as the mountain of contradictions grow that it’s not about stopping the “virus”..


Masks are for destroying social interaction and communication with strangers. You know those moments in life when some shitbag is bashing his missus and enough of you make visual contact to know you’ve got each other back and intervene.
But with masks there will never be any Flight 93 “lets roll” moments of bravery, you’ll never know if your fellow citizen is a Karen or Stasi as you reluctantly board the blacked out train carriage...
A cop will never see your friendly smile, never know you like them and not let you off that minor stop sign indescretion...

The media are tripping over themselves trying to solve the mystery of why Africans aren't dying from covid as badly as the west.
Africans routinely take a cheap safe anti malaria drug invented in n 1960's called hydroxychloroquine....
Scooby Doo would solve that puzzle faster

[MD]

I was chatting to my Brother who is in Sydney yesterday and said NZ just can't keep dodging the covid bullet. Hope I didn't jinx us. He hates the everlasting lockdowns. We got our Daughter married off on Sunday in Chch in blissful ignorance covid was about to blow up in our faces. Thank goodness we got it done in the nick of time. Mind you weddings are a super spreader! Honeymoon cut short and how horrible the newly weds must spend some forced time together.

Fingers crossed everybody that we can nip this in the bud and return to our blessed lives asap. We have lived an extraordinarily enjoyable 14 odd months while watching the rest of world suffer the health and economical damage of the pandemic.

[Berries]

Fucking Jafas.

[Blackbird]

We live 2.5 km from Coromandel town centre, we had a big grocery delivery on Monday (including Kingfisher strong beer ) and I had a haircut yesterday morning. Guess we're reasonably well prepared then.....

[george formby]

Fucking Jafas.

I'm not normally anti city folk, but...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...angers-leaders

Gonna get all nimby on them.

[MD]

We live 2.5 km from Coromandel town centre, we had a big grocery delivery on Monday (including Kingfisher strong beer ) and I had a haircut yesterday morning. Guess we're reasonably well prepared then.....

Ha, I got beer in as well - essentials

[pritch]

It seems there needs to be arrangements made to have road blocks in place around Auckland before a lockdown announcement is made. It'd be a rush but with planning it could be done.

MD, getting the wedding over just prior was fortunate. There was an illegal engagement party in Victoria which has boosted the state finances. Sixty Nine guests fined $5,500 each. Amazingly the father of one of the couple is a psychologist, the other father is a Doctor. FFS

There has been transmission traced to the event.

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d23ef28182721f