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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Ahh, they were all going to die of old age at some stage anyway, so they dont count.

    A recent estimate gives excess mortality for the world attributable to COVID-19 of 20.6 million, and for the USA 1.2 million. So almost four times as many people have died of COVID-19 worldwide as the official figures suggest.
    n New Zealand, at least 2,300 FEWER people have died than expected “under normal circumstances” over the course of the pandemic! Because of the public health measures applied and the high degree of compliance with the measures, deaths from other causes have declined. We have saved lives rather than lost them. Another way of looking at this is to consider life expectancy – at what age do we expect the “typical person” to die? This is more complicated to calculate and can only be determined retrospectively. Over recent decades life expectancy in New Zealand and around the world has been rising steadily due to improved health of the population. But in a recent study that evaluated 37 countries, life expectancy in the United States and Russia fell by two years between 2018 and 2020, due to the effects of the COVID pandemic. In 30 other countries life expectancy also fell, but by smaller amounts, and three countries had no change. Only two countries had an increase in life expectancy over that period - New Zealand gained 8 months and Taiwan 4 months.
    Despite doomsayers claiming that the control measures applied by New Zealand would be very damaging to the economy, it has in fact rebounded from the initial global impact of the pandemic far better than countries which adopted less intensive measures, and has achieved high growth in real GDP and the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded in the country.

    So New Zealand has managed to achieve both an outstanding result in saving the community from many thousands of deaths from COVID which would have occurred if a relaxed approach had been adopted as proposed by critics and commentators throughout the pandemic, and economic performance through the pandemic has been very favourable, under difficult circumstances.
    Professor Professor Emeritus Roger Morris is an epidemiologist and economist who has contributed to disease control in over 50 countries, and has trained epidemiologists in Africa and across Asia how to respond to emerging diseases.

    Professor Emeritus Masey University
    Massey University’s highest honour, the Massey Medal.
    Gilruth Professor of Animal Health and Director
    Clinical and Population Sciences Minneapolis, United States
    University of Reading Epidemiology and economics
    BVS Hons from the University of Sydney
    (FRSNZ) who have been elected to our Academy for distinction in research or for advancing science, technology and the humanities
    (CNZM) NZ order of merit

    Professor Morris is one of the world's preeminent veterinary epidemiologists. “Given the importance of animal diseases to the export receipts and public health of New Zealanders, the country has been fortunate to have him provide us with the benefit of his knowledge and experience for over 28 years.”

    Professor Morris graduated with a Bachelor of Veterinary Science with Honours from the University of Sydney in 1966 and worked at the the University of Melbourne and the University of Minnesota. In 1986, he was appointed Professor of Animal Health at Massey, where he established the globally recognised EpiCentre, a research, consultancy and training centre in epidemiology, biosecurity, food safety and animal health based at Manawatū.

    His international reputation was a key factor in Massey winning a $15 million contract from the World Bank and European Union to develop and teach a "One Health" master's degree programme for health professionals across South Asia, in response to the outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza.

    He has undertaken hundreds of international consultancies for world governments and major health organisations such as the World Health Organisation and the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations. He was an adviser to the British government during outbreaks of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow disease), foot-and-mouth and avian influenza (bird flu).

    In 2003, he was made a Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to veterinary science. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of New Zealand, the Australian College of Veterinary Scientists in Epidemiology and the American College of Epidemiology. He has supervised more than 200 doctoral and master's students and written more than 200 scientific papers.

    The EpiCentre is an OIE (World Organisation for Animal Health) Collaborating Centre for Epidemiology and Public Health. It is the only such centre in the Asia-Pacific region.

    The centre conducts active research in the areas of geographical information systems (GIS), expert systems, multivariate analysis and simulation modelling. It’s active in field work with humans, production animals, companion animals and wildlife in New Zealand, and provides consultancy services and training courses in epidemiology throughout the world.

    He is currently consulting for the World Bank on avian influenza projects in Bhutan, China, India, Laos and Mongolia.
    All up he is an infinitely superior human than TDL far more qualified than TDL will ever be.
    But watch how TDL Dunning krugers himself that he knows more than a epidemiologist and universiy educated ecomonist ie an actual expert the same as he has claimed previously with the NZ mental health foundation the NZ court, the US supreme court us Disyticy court judges and the FBI



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Professor Roger Morris is an epidemiologist and economist who has contributed to disease control in over 50 countries, and has trained epidemiologists in Africa and across Asia how to respond to emerging diseases.
    That Article was written at the beginning of the year

    Now we are seeing the real impacts, and on the economic front - Professor Roger is full of Shit.

    Which draws dire inferences on the rest of his claims.
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    Well, the last day of 2022. It's difficult to think that all of the vaccination drama happened only a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    All up he is an infinitely superior human than TDL far more qualified than TDL will ever be.
    Isn't it curious that after I pointed out his Economics predictions were full of Crap, you updated your post to include all his accomplishments.

    Certainly, he is a very industrious individual.

    However, I can't help but notice there's a word that keeps popping up in your post...

    "Veterinary"

    Which curiously you omitted before.

    Now, granted, I'm neither a Biologist nor an Epidemiologist - but something tells me that the distinction in epidemiology between Human and Animal has something to do with the differences between Human interaction and Animal interaction.

    A difference which, in some circumstances, means that Professor Roger is not the authority that you are painting him as.

    Another thing that pops out is the company he keeps - World Bank, EU, WHO. Given the behavior of some of those entities of late, especially around COVID, I think my initial assessment that the good Professor is Biased and singing from the songsheet of his Masters was not only accurate, but justified.

    Afterall - I'm only the guy that did, in fact, know more about Covid death stats than the New Zealand government
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    Well, the last day of 2022. It's difficult to think that all of the vaccination drama happened only a year ago.

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    Oh it's still happening... and it's still not being reported on for people to make informed decisions.
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    It's been interesting enough hearing people's Covid and vaccination experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    It's been interesting enough hearing people's Covid and vaccination experiences.

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    That UK fella Dr John Campbell has finally gotten to a point of calling for a halt in its use. The silence is deafening.
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    That UK fella Dr John Campbell has finally gotten to a point of calling for a halt in its use. The silence is deafening.
    Mashy, out of interest what sort of doctor is DR JOHN.
    hint he's a nurse..... with a teaching phd degree.
    He was one of those ones that lead a misinformation scampaign about ivermectin being a covid cure. was he in any way correct?
    He also claimed that the phizer vaccine had killed over 1000 people did he have any evidence then or now?



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    Doesn't matter. Kunts like Fathead just find a narrative of disinformation that makes them feel empowered because of their sad inconsequential lives, as if they were somehow smarter than actual academics.

    But the problem is vulnerable people read that shit. So fucking great work you Incel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Doesn't matter. Kunts like Fathead just find a narrative of disinformation that makes them feel empowered because of their sad inconsequential lives, as if they were somehow smarter than actual academics.

    But the problem is vulnerable people read that shit. So fucking great work you Incel.
    Interesting way to respond to scientific findings. Maybe you're everything you accuse me... anyway, have another drink dave, ignore the scientific evidence, it's worked for you so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Mashy, out of interest what sort of doctor is DR JOHN.
    hint he's a nurse..... with a teaching phd degree.
    He was one of those ones that lead a misinformation scampaign about ivermectin being a covid cure. was he in any way correct?
    He also claimed that the phizer vaccine had killed over 1000 people did he have any evidence then or now?
    Happy new year. You should've watched the video you fucking idiot... as well as kept up with the evidence that's been kept hidden from the public from the beginning, but hey, you're still a fucking idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Happy new year. You should've watched the video you fucking idiot... as well as kept up with the evidence that's been kept hidden from the public from the beginning, but hey, you're still a fucking idiot.
    Realty like the voters of Mana electorate totally disagree with your opinions.
    You could always just answer the questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    That UK fella Dr John Campbell has finally gotten to a point of calling for a halt in its use. The silence is deafening.
    Mashy, out of interest what sort of doctor is DR JOHN.
    hint he's a nurse..... with a teaching phd degree.
    He was one of those ones that lead a misinformation scampaign about ivermectin being a covid cure. was he in any way correct?
    He also claimed that the phizer vaccine had killed over 1000 people did he have any evidence then or now?


    NOTE
    Findings In this open-label randomized clinical trial of high-risk patients with COVID-19 in Malaysia, a 5-day course of oral ivermectin administered during the first week of illness did not reduce the risk of developing severe disease compared with standard of care alone.

    Meaning The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    Well, the last day of 2022. It's difficult to think that all of the vaccination drama happened only a year ago.

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    In my workplace and others it’s still doing the rounds even amongst the “ boosted”. Funny read article other day in nz something like 30,000 new cases a day and were just getting on with life fine and dandy.
    Just like on day one it affects some worse than others and the govt has finally come around the the way of thought many of us had from start, you can’t hide from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    In my workplace and others it’s still doing the rounds even amongst the “ boosted”. Funny read article other day in nz something like 30,000 new cases a day and were just getting on with life fine and dandy.
    Just like on day one it affects some worse than others and the govt has finally come around the the way of thought many of us had from start, you can’t hide from it.
    Only if you willfully gloss over the fact we are at about substantially weakened covid version 7 or so plus benefit from both natural immunity and vaccines lessening the effects as our body can now recognise it.

    We remember you said some pretty stupid stuff during the pandemic. it was stupid then and hasn't improved with age.

    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    It’s not rocket science you muppets....

    The rebranded lockdown has made going out anywhere a misery with this mask and scanning bullshit plus with the added bonus of a torture test if someone had the sniffles at same venue.

    So it seems lots of people are like me.... abandoning spontaneous shopping/bar/cafe trips and only going out when they really need too.
    Cafe vs home coffee machine/sachet
    Movie theatre vs Netflix/YouTube
    Bar vs bottle store and drinking on deck at home

    The no mask no scan option wins every time

    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The Covid tracer app stops the spread of the virus just as effectively as mandatory carrying of drivers licence stops unlicensed drivers from driving cars.

    It’s kinda pointless though really, Jacinda has just demonstrated how willing the govt is to plunge the country into draconian lockdowns again for a few cases...
    Now if EVERYONE in the current outbreak had scanned the SAME amount of people would be infected, the virus doesn’t care if your Bluetooth is on or not.
    The resulting lockdown would prob be worse as with two deg of separation in modern society it would prob show even more people at risk of infection spreading...

    But I guess we’ll all find that out soon enough when they decree it mandatory to scan everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    I think we will actually end up having a major second wave next year...
    The only places not having second waves are likes of Sweden which achieved herd immunity/exposure. All the countries that did what we did are experiencing second waves, only thing saving us at moment from it is essentially our iron curtain closed border, eventually we have to reopen that...
    What’s really saved us is NZ’s lovely winter sunshine and easy access to clean outdoor air and a massive lack of public transport systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Different forever, Jacinda already said that. No political party has EVER given away control mechanisms or restrictions.
    Soon they will make it LAW that you have to have the covid app to buy food or do anything.
    You will HAVE to carry your phone (your papers) EVERYWHERE or risk prison/fines.
    Crims will love knowing that you DO have your phone on you. Phones will be worth more per ounce than drugs as contact tracing eliminates burner phone access that crimes survive on.


    Wartime rations is a poor analogy, you still had relatively freedom of movement and association.
    Hell poor people ration things still today! BTW poor Is the 70% of NZ that earn less than the average national wage.

    22 NZ dead from virus, please remind me how many died in WW2, Vietnam or even a busy holiday weekend road toll?
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    There’s two ways this pans out... the virus magically mostly disappears and we return to some form of normal rampant consumerism after being tattooed/implanted with bill gates digital ID2020 social/vaccine passport
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    Covid

    Or this virus turns out to be as nasty as they say it is. Then we have at least three years living under full blown communism to control spread til it naturally mutates itself out of existence as all virus strains do. This will be a major worldwide depression and everyone will be off to workcamps in exchange for food as all western economies will be crippled by the early welfare dolled out to “keep the economy going”

    One thing Is for sure either way, given the chance of a crisis govt will pass new laws and taxes to “save us”.... next election will be very interesting
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Well well well, our journey into communist hell continues.

    There has only been 1650 alleged cases (out of 700,000 tests!!!!) of the virus, but what has spread faster has been submission to communist control.
    Nearly 2 million have downloaded the Covid app so you can be sent to a govt “ health” camp to catch the virus if you didnt already have it.

    But yay 3 million kiwis have said no to turning their phone into govt spy device.

    Tommorow is D-day, public transport will be the barometer of how many of us have rolled belly up to mask wearing.
    Hopefully most will say screw this shit and drive their cars to work.

    You don’t have to wear a mask if it affects your physical or mental health and you do NOT need to present documents to prove this.

    Out and about it’s refreshing to see nearly No one scanning the qr code thingy.

    It’s quite clear now as the mountain of contradictions grow that it’s not about stopping the “virus”..


    Masks are for destroying social interaction and communication with strangers. You know those moments in life when some shitbag is bashing his missus and enough of you make visual contact to know you’ve got each other back and intervene.
    But with masks there will never be any Flight 93 “lets roll” moments of bravery, you’ll never know if your fellow citizen is a Karen or Stasi as you reluctantly board the blacked out train carriage...
    A cop will never see your friendly smile, never know you like them and not let you off that minor stop sign indescretion...
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Your odds of dying from Covid in NZ is about the same as winning Powerball....
    People dream of winning powerball, actively visit known powerball superspreader hot zones twice a week in hope of winning...

    Meanwhile about 6 times as many people die in drink drive car crashes.
    We even have mass random surveillance testing for that too, typically about 1.5-2% are ‘ infected’ with the influence of alcohol.....
    Would we tolerate say a 24hr lockdown every time you bought a beer at bar?
    Or after your night at the bar you don’t leave through the front door, a govt agent escorts you to a ‘quarantine ‘ facility which you can’t leave for 24 hrs.
    Just imagine that, we would ABSOLUTELY save 150 lives a year
    The govt will NEVER do that so why all this crap with the virus where the potential victim has a 93% chance of not even needing hospital treatment...
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The media are tripping over themselves trying to solve the mystery of why Africans aren't dying from covid as badly as the west.
    Africans routinely take a cheap safe anti malaria drug invented in n 1960's called hydroxychloroquine....
    Scooby Doo would solve that puzzle faster



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    The BBC discussing with a Cardiologist mRNA vaccines and heart disease, starts off talking about statins

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkBt25XZ0NU

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