Hardcore Biker
Geriatric hoon
Making other countries look really bad?
https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/artic...504&fm=psp,tsf
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anorak
If you cant trust a one party dictatorship to give you the good information about how great they are doing who can you trust..............Originally Posted by pritch
What interesting is how infectious this one is compared to Sars
if this one had the same death rate as SARS did we would all be in big dodo.
from memory the SARs death rate one was about 1 in 10 but a lot faster incubation period, its looks like Covid 19 is one 1 in 100. bt seems to be more infectious and harder to stop as most dont display symptoms till after they have spread it.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
Science and facts. Might upset some people.Its quite long and not many pictures. https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...Z59cin9VFWTqdk
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
Chillin
Only in humans?
dont other mammals breathe as well?
or have I missed something?
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Chillin
Sobering reading....
people complaining about limiting numbers should read the section about ‘Bob’
most people seem to think it’s all over here in NZ.
hard to visualise so many deaths overseas.
wondering if the Swedish model is better (the virus kind of model)
but it will it evolve?
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Forum whore
Good read thanks
Lets go Brandon
Geriatric hoon
Makes sense.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Geriatric hoon
Yuk! And I used to dislike the idea American hormone packed meat and chicken...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...20-5?r=US&IR=T
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anorak
Jimmy hoffa was all for the Meat Packers and Teamsters working together..............
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Hardcore Biker
The Erin Bromage article was well written. With some good comments on contagion, and types of venues one might like to avoid in the short term (and why).
Strains
One aspect of this Covid experience that seems lacking (in terms of availability of reliable information) is the number of and variation between strains (viral load) that are in circulation. Some strains appear to be up to 270x more potent than the least virulent .
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...dlier-original
The point being that our "Covid experience" may vary with location, and which particular strains are in circulation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...s-suggest.html
Also an important consideration when trying to synthesise a vaccine that will provide wide coverage (high efficacy).
"Immunity" for a decent period afterwards (say > 1 year) may be dependent upon how rapidly that various strains mutate, and whether the vaccine will also address those new mutations as well. You cannot make presumptions of immunity until there has been some clinical testing (of immunoglobulin serum) and follow-up for reinfection. Which will take some time.
Sweden
Eldog raised the topic of Sweden earlier. Which is acting in contrast with its near neighbours (not only Denmark, but also Norway and Finland - who are following the Danish approach of lockdown). Hence my interest.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/26/...us-confinement
The "Swedish experience" seems to be quite political, with opinion varying with political viewpoint (left vs right), as well as value of human life vs business cost incurred. I think it still too early to make a judgement on Sweden's adoption of a high trust model based upon "social distancing". Though politicians still have to make decisions (supposedly on behalf of their wider population).
[Edit]
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020...g-results.html
I'm not an epidemiologist, and I don't profess to have any expertise in this area. Just my own opinion, like everyone else. But I post four links quoting the Swedish epidemiologists themselves. The first and second relate to an interview with the chief Swedish epidemiologist, Anders Tignall, while the third relates to handling of "hotspots" such as immigrant communities.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...urprise-2020-5
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9495806.html
https://apnews.com/1d7916cf6e48b7a231b894ef9cda1a19
The fourth link is from an interview with Johan Giesecke (Tignall's recruiter as well as an advisor to the Swedish government). I include it only because of the last bullet point in the article.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/swe...nt-really-work
I posted a link on "herd immunity" earlier in the thread (#166).
The "herd immunity" theory rests on the idea of shielding the most vulnerable members of a country's population from infection while allowing a large percentage of others to catch the virus. The hope is that most of these people would experience relatively mild symptoms, recover, and wind up immune, stopping the virus’s further transmission.
But this kind of herd immunity, experts say, could require upwards of 60% of the population becoming infected. Herd immunity as a deliberate policy, is usually achieved through a vaccination program (i.e. when a vaccine is already available and is being deployed in parallel - which is not the case here) . Herd immunity is untested as a tool for responding to a pandemic.
From very recent bulk testing of an increasing proportion of the Swedish population, only between 5-10% of the tested population are currently showing signs of Covid-19 related antibodies being present. Which conflicts with Giesecke's assertion.
Meaning that a considerable proportion of the Swedish population would still need to be infected if this type of "experiment" was to be deliberately pursued.
So, if all the infection and death count statistics currently available online (e.g. John Hopkins) relate only to a 5-10% actual infection level within the Swedish population, what would have been the impact - on Sweden's health system and death counts - had a higher level of infection been present ? You'll have to make your own judgement.
[Edit] Swedish economy not immune
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coro...of-europe.html
Geriatric hoon
Slight change of subject and referring back to some earlier posts on insider trading.
As dramatic as the move against Burr is, and it definitely is serious, there does not seem to have been a similar move against Senator Kelly Loeffler who will by now have sanitised her phone. Sanitizing the cloud may be more difficult though.
She too had sold off shares immediately following the briefing, as had her husband who is CEO of the company that owns the New York Stock Exchange.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-burr-warrant/
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Hardcore Biker
Geriatric hoon
I was listening to a podcast discussing the current situation in the US movie industry which is currently parked and motionless. The thought was expressed that some directors want to bring their crews to NZ and Australia to do filming.
Obviously the low case count appeals to them, but I'm not sure importing a load of Americans would be the best way to keep the count that way.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Comfortably numb
One of the movies that has intentions along those lines is a dramatisation of the Thai cave rescue. I have a relative within the industry that has been asked about NZ's likely similarity to Thailand. Those in the industry are fully aware and potentially compliant with current quarantine measures apparently.
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