Post Pandemic Lockdown Scenarios

[Gearup]

Or are you suggesting that if the Police say that you can go Hunt now, that every forest will be filled to the brim with every single hunter in all of NZ?

Not at all because most hunters are doing their bit and staying at home according to the Game Animal Council.

However, lets just take tramping as an example: In 2017, according to the Mountain Safety Council just over 1.5 million people went tramping , of that there were 936,367 New Zealanders.

Of the total, 4020 needed medical assistance while 524 involved Search and Rescue services. Another 5 died and body recovery was needed.

So cutting out the overseas visitor component, there's still a good number of people out there that needed assistance. Even in a month.

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all because most hunters are doing their bit and staying at home according to the Game Animal Council.

However, lets just take tramping as an example: In 2017, according to the Mountain Safety Council just over 1.5 million people went tramping , of that there were 936,367 New Zealanders.

Of the total, 4020 needed medical assistance while 524 involved Search and Rescue services. Another 5 died and body recovery was needed.

So cutting out the overseas visitor component, there's still a good number of people out there that needed assistance. Even in a month.

Cool - now factor in a 95% reduction.

That's 200 that needs Medical assistance, 26 Search and rescue services - and no deaths. For an entire year. So divide that figure by 12 - that's 2 Search and rescues and 16 people needing Medical assistance

Hardly a massive imposition on our public services. And remarkably similar to the 9 Tenths of fuck-all figure.

But again, consider that the only people going out are those who really really really really love tramping, so likely to be experienced Outdoors-types, as opposed to the weekend warriors (who tend to make up the majority of those needing assistance).

[JATZ]

Cool - now factor in a 95% reduction.

That's 200 that needs Medical assistance, 26 Search and rescue services - and no deaths. For an entire year. So divide that figure by 12 - that's 2 Search and rescues and 16 people needing Medical assistance

Hardly a massive imposition on our public services. And remarkably similar to the 9 Tenths of fuck-all figure.

But again, consider that the only people going out are those who really really really really love tramping, so likely to be experienced Outdoors-types, as opposed to the weekend warriors (who tend to make up the majority of those needing assistance).

So only 200 need medical assistance and 26 need SARS. How many people are involved in that ? How many people are breaking lockdown to take care of someone who thought only of themselves? And potentially the rescuers/medical staff putting people in their "bubble" at risk ? Admittedly, there's only a tiny chance of getting the virus, but is it worth taking the risk?
Yes it sucks to have your personal freedom taken away, but it's not forever.

[Gearup]

Cool - now factor in a 95% reduction.

That's 200 that needs Medical assistance, 26 Search and rescue services - and no deaths. For an entire year. So divide that figure by 12 - that's 2 Search and rescues and 16 people needing Medical assistance

Hardly a massive imposition on our public services. And remarkably similar to the 9 Tenths of fuck-all figure.

But again, consider that the only people going out are those who really really really really love tramping, so likely to be experienced Outdoors-types, as opposed to the weekend warriors (who tend to make up the majority of those needing assistance).

Nah, let's be sensible and now factor in all the other outdoor activities that cause emergency services to be activated.

Here's a clue, ones we're not permitted to do currently...

[TheDemonLord]

Nah, let's be sensible and now factor in all the other outdoor activities that cause emergency services to be activated.

Here's a clue, ones we're not permitted to do currently...

Sure.

Still going to be fuck-all in terms of numbers.

And again, let's use another activity that was banned - Ocean Swimming - who make up the majority of people who need to be rescued? It's not people who are training for the Ocean Swim Series of Triathletes or similar, it's people who don't know how to Swim.

[TheDemonLord]

So only 200 need medical assistance and 26 need SARS. How many people are involved in that ? How many people are breaking lockdown to take care of someone who thought only of themselves? And potentially the rescuers/medical staff putting people in their "bubble" at risk ? Admittedly, there's only a tiny chance of getting the virus, but is it worth taking the risk?

It's even less than the 200 figure - but is it worth taking the Risk? Well, I'd say yes. Because the Risk when properly viewed is absolutely minimal, will have no overall impact to the nations ability to help those and need it.

Furthermore - coming back to the demographic of who is at Risk:

How many 70+ year olds, with underlying Medical conditions do you think are going to be Hiking, Surfing, Hunting etc. Sure, there are some very fit and active elderly people (good on them), but how many are active to that degree, whilst also suffering from a complication?

Yes it sucks to have your personal freedom taken away, but it's not forever.

2 Words:

Ratchet Effect.

[pritch]

I see in the states that there are protest marches in several cities, protesting the lockdown. Good way to spread c-19.

Some interesting photos from those. A bigger collection of drop kick fuck ups would be hard to find. Interesting selection of "signs" too: confederate flags, swastikas, and Trump 2020 posters.

[Gearup]

Sure.

Still going to be fuck-all in terms of numbers.

And again, let's use another activity that was banned - Ocean Swimming - who make up the majority of people who need to be rescued? It's not people who are training for the Ocean Swim Series of Triathletes or similar, it's people who don't know how to Swim.

So, show us some of your numbers if it's "fuck -all" then.

The issue of safety is about all the outdoor activities normally carried out under non-lockdown circumstances. I'd suggest you're down playing it all to fit your apparent loss of civil rights.

Incidently, a pandemic is a very justifiable reason to be under lockdown and it's covered by a number of Acts like the Civil Defence and Emergency Management Act 2002. It is however temporary until, and this is the important bit, the emergency doesn't exist.

[MaxPenguin]

It's even less than the 200 figure - but is it worth taking the Risk? Well, I'd say yes. Because the Risk when properly viewed is absolutely minimal, will have no overall impact to the nations ability to help those and need it.

Furthermore - coming back to the demographic of who is at Risk:

How many 70+ year olds, with underlying Medical conditions do you think are going to be Hiking, Surfing, Hunting etc. Sure, there are some very fit and active elderly people (good on them), but how many are active to that degree, whilst also suffering from a complication?



2 Words:

Ratchet Effect.

Have you used up your daily word quota yet?

Here's hoping....

[MaxPenguin]

Some interesting photos from those. A bigger collection of drop kick fuck ups would be hard to find. Interesting selection of "signs" too: confederate flags, swastikas, and Trump 2020 posters.

There is a fair bit of social media fuckwitted threats to protest here in NZ too. Was initially hilarious following them, but it's now starting to get on my nerves, but oddly addictive for some reason.
I actually want them to do it, will show them up for the sad lowlifes they are.

[Gearup]

There is a fair bit of social media fuckwitted threats to protest here in NZ too. Was initially hilarious following them, but it's now starting to get on my nerves, but oddly addictive for some reason.
I actually want them to do it, will show them up for the sad lowlifes they are.

What are your best picks?

Looks like it's lets-try-to-destroy-the 5G installation time as well. Several attempts have been made.

[MaxPenguin]

What are your best picks?

Looks like it's lets-try-to-destroy-the 5G installation time as well. Several attempts have been made.

If on Facebook go to sue grey. Some sort of ambulance chasing lawyer wannabe protestor.

[JATZ]

It's even less than the 200 figure - but is it worth taking the Risk? Well, I'd say yes. Because the Risk when properly viewed is absolutely minimal, will have no overall impact to the nations ability to help those and need it.

Furthermore - coming back to the demographic of who is at Risk:

How many 70+ year olds, with underlying Medical conditions do you think are going to be Hiking, Surfing, Hunting etc. Sure, there are some very fit and active elderly people (good on them), but how many are active to that degree, whilst also suffering from a complication?



2 Words:

Ratchet Effect.

It's not just the +70 yo group...
I've niked this from somewhere else. The numbers are hypothetical, but that seems normal. However, its the last bit thats more of a concern.


"It's not about controlling the population, it's about controlling a disease that might kill 3 to 10% of those it infects, that's highly contagious and that, if it doesn't just kill you, leaves you with high odds of losing lung capacity for the rest of your life..."

[caspernz]

What are your best picks?

Looks like it's lets-try-to-destroy-the 5G installation time as well. Several attempts have been made.

The 5G thing is insane. In Europe there's been a spate of these going on for weeks, the sheer stupidity of some folks is baffling. On the same IQ level as the anti vaxxers

[Gearup]

If on Facebook go to sue grey. Some sort of ambulance chasing lawyer wannabe protestor.

Ah yes, the NZ Outdoors Party...

I've read a while ago she had an affair with the enquiry lawyer in the Scampi fisheries corruption case. It was described as a "sex for questions case".