Post Pandemic Lockdown Scenarios

[Gearup]

The 5G thing is insane. In Europe there's been a spate of these going on for weeks, the sheer stupidity of some folks is baffling. On the same IQ level as the anti vaxxers

There's a video of some people trying to burn down an NZ 5G site which was doing the rounds recently.

[Laava]

Ah yes, the NZ Outdoors Party...I've read a while ago she had an affair with the enquiry lawyer in the Scampi fisheries corruption case. It was described as a "sex for questions case".

I hope he made her cry.

[MaxPenguin]

Ah yes, the NZ Outdoors Party...

I've read a while ago she had an affair with the enquiry lawyer in the Scampi fisheries corruption case. It was described as a "sex for questions case".

She is anti vax, covid19 and 5g are related, anti 1080, you name it. Her mo is to bait her followers in the hope they do something stupid so she can represent them, or talk them into representing them in some unwinnable constitutional court procedure.
Her sheep lap it up.

[pritch]

The 5G thing is insane.

I see on Twitter yesterday that some dude has named his home network "5G - Covid19 - Mind control"

A bit long but I like his style whoever he is. My network name was intended to have a similar effect, but is a lot shorter in case my network fucks up and I have to start typing it repeatedly.

[george formby]

The 5G thing is insane. In Europe there's been a spate of these going on for weeks, the sheer stupidity of some folks is baffling. On the same IQ level as the anti vaxxers

Indeed.

A wee dickie bird up north told me what happened to the - non 5g, booster- tower, being built up the road.

Workers had left a number of 20ltr water containers at the base of the tower to assist with finishing the concrete.

The perpetrators piled wood around the base and doused it with the liquid from the containers thinking it was diesel....

They had to come back the following night with their own accelerant.

[MaxPenguin]

Indeed.

A wee dickie bird up north told me what happened to the - non 5g, booster- tower, being built up the road.

Workers had left a number of 20ltr water containers at the base of the tower to assist with finishing the concrete.

The perpetrators piled wood around the base and doused it with the liquid from the containers thinking it was diesel....

They had to come back the following night with their own accelerant.

Not a braincell amongst them...

[sidecar bob]

There's a video of some people trying to burn down an NZ 5G site which was doing the rounds recently.

How did they manage to do that without a phone signal?
Hypocrites.

[TheDemonLord]

So, show us some of your numbers if it's "fuck -all" then.

I have already done so, even if I remove the 95% reduction - it's still fuck-all, when factoring the no tourists and a single months worth of call outs. That's also without factoring in the raise in the average skill level by having those who are most likely to need assistance not being out-and-about

The issue of safety is about all the outdoor activities normally carried out under under non-lockdown circumstances. I'd suggest you're down playing it all to fit your apparent loss of civil rights.

Of course, I'm not saying there isn't a risk, I'm saying that the justification is massively over-stated, there's a burden of proof that's not being met by the Government for this decision.

When it comes to Civil Liberties, and especially in the face of a disaster, We have an obligation to make sure that any emergency power both has a sunset date and is justified.

On both of these, the standard IMO is not met.

Incidently, a pandemic is a very justifiable reason to be under lockdown and it's covered by a number of Acts like the Civil Defence and Emergency Management Act 2002. It is however temporary until, and this is the important bit, the emergency doesn't exist.

There's some discussion about that, as to whether those Acts cover this - however, I'm not making a Legal argument - I'm saying the Government is curtailing certain activities on flimsy justification.

As an example - under Level 3, hunting is banned but Mountain biking isn't - which one has the higher Injury rate and so by your reasoning shouldn't be allowed...

It's not just the +70 yo group...
I've niked this from somewhere else. The numbers are hypothetical, but that seems normal. However, its the last bit thats more of a concern.


"It's not about controlling the population, it's about controlling a disease that might kill 3 to 10% of those it infects, that's highly contagious and that, if it doesn't just kill you, leaves you with high odds of losing lung capacity for the rest of your life..."

You got a Sauce for that? It seems odd on the face of it (not saying it's wrong) that they are predicting life-long effects for a disease that is only 5 months old....

Have you used up your daily word quota yet?

Here's hoping....

Pfft not even Close...

[Gearup]

I have already done so, even if I remove the 95% reduction - it's still fuck-all, when factoring the no tourists and a single months worth of call outs. That's also without factoring in the raise in the average skill level by having those who are most likely to need assistance not being out-and-about

Of course, I'm not saying there isn't a risk, I'm saying that the justification is massively over-stated, there's a burden of proof that's not being met by the Government for this decision.

When it comes to Civil Liberties, and especially in the face of a disaster, We have an obligation to make sure that any emergency power both has a sunset date and is justified.

On both of these, the standard IMO is not met.



There's some discussion about that, as to whether those Acts cover this - however, I'm not making a Legal argument - I'm saying the Government is curtailing certain activities on flimsy justification.

As an example - under Level 3, hunting is banned but Mountain biking isn't - which one has the higher Injury rate and so by your reasoning shouldn't be allowed...

You got a Sauce for that? It seems odd on the face of it (not saying it's wrong) that they are predicting life-long effects for a disease that is only 5 months old....


Pfft not even Close...

1:Figures on all the activities combined not just the tramping. Refer to my post #109

2:Once again,the powers applicable to the emergency end when the emergency ends. That's how it works under the appropriate Acts.

3:I've never referenced any activity in Level 3, so your reference to Level 3 mountain biking is irrelevant. It's all about level 4 which is the applicable one now.

[russd7]

it was stated on the update today that hunting was added without thought and is being reviewed, i would suggest that it needs to be looked at very quickly and some parameters put in that don't stop it but maybe restrict a little,
opening weekend is looming very quickly and i would say there will be quite a few that will just say F**K the lock down and go anyway.
given that opening weekend has more importance to a lot than mothers day, i would suggest that the powers that be should not f**k with opening weekend.

i am not a hunter and have never participated in opening weekend but do understand the significance to some.

[Kickaha]

Some interesting photos from those. A bigger collection of drop kick fuck ups would be hard to find. Interesting selection of "signs" too: confederate flags, swastikas, and Trump 2020 posters.

The one I saw there were quite a few in body armour with there ever present AR15 ready to defend their freedoms, America, FUCK YEAH

[caspernz]

The one I saw there were quite a few in body armour with there ever present AR15 ready to defend their freedoms, America, FUCK YEAH

Always used to be live ammo and alcohol don't mix, seems live ammo and stupidity are just as dangerous

[MaxPenguin]

it was stated on the update today that hunting was added without thought and is being reviewed, i would suggest that it needs to be looked at very quickly and some parameters put in that don't stop it but maybe restrict a little,
opening weekend is looming very quickly and i would say there will be quite a few that will just say F**K the lock down and go anyway.
given that opening weekend has more importance to a lot than mothers day, i would suggest that the powers that be should not f**k with opening weekend.

i am not a hunter and have never participated in opening weekend but do understand the significance to some.

A lot of us are missing out on shit, why are hunters so entitled?

[Katman]

A lot of us are missing out on shit, why are hunters so entitled?

Why do you see it as a competition?

[sidecar bob]

A lot of us are missing out on shit, why are hunters so entitled?

And stupid old Dover Samuels giving the nation a proper good telling off on the news.
Apparently the whanau will be breaking the rules to go fishing.