America is a fucking cesspit.

[TheDemonLord]

Nonsense. The three women who registered the name Black Lives Matter are all self proclaimed lesbians apparently, one said explicitly that THEY (the founders) are TRAINED Marxists.

I've fixed it for you.

But don't take my word for it - when they state they want to tear down the Nuclear Family, the Capitalist, Patriarchal, Colonialist Western Structure - How many more hints do you need that they are Revolutionary Communists?

Then you've got the BLM symbol - which is virtually a Copy+Paste of the Socialist revolution fist.


Edit: It turns out that BLM have deleted the page where they say they want to disrupt the Nuclear Family - isn't that rather interesting... Since y'know - Black Fatherlessness is a major issue in the Black Community and it turns out that Young Men who don't have a Father or any father figures in their lives have a much higher chance of all sorts of things - like Suicide, Murder, Gangs etc.

However - I'll happily retract this if you can provide a quote by a BLM spokesperson encouraging people to get Married, have children in Wedlock etc.

[R650R]

Soon to be a flooded cesspit....

https://www.youtube/BT3lU8CYc9c

[TheDemonLord]

So, who is following the Trial here?

[pete376403]

So, who is following the Trial here?

meanwhile, just down the road, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56724798

By comparison this guy got off lightly https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virgini...-traffic-stop/

[TheDemonLord]

meanwhile, just down the road, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56724798

By comparison this guy got off lightly https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virgini...-traffic-stop/

The memes have already started:



However on a serious note - a lot of discussion is being had on the following fronts:

1: If the Officer cannot distinguish between the weight, feel etc. of a Taser vs a Handgun - then there are some serious questions to be asked about the validity of that person being an Officer.
2: Serving Officers have pointed out that they physically separate their Lethal Option and Non-Lethal Option by having them on different sides (e.g. Left side for Non-Lethal, Right side for Lethal) so to prevent this.
3: Some people have pointed to Lowering of Standards and Lowering of Training and referencing certain 'Equality' Movements and 'Defund' movements - making the argument that this is what you get: Untrained people who otherwise wouldn't meet the criteria - getting a badge and a gun.
Finally: People have pointed to the fact that if she was intending to reach for her Taser, the Suspect was clearly doing or not doing something (as the case maybe) and given that a Taser isn't always non-lethal, the Suspect was playing some very stupid games and ended up winning the stupidest prize.

My personal feelings are that we should hear the Evidence for her case, if it turns out that she's incompetent, then she should be held accountable for her actions (and based on the prima facie details - I think there's good grounds for Manslaughter).

[pete376403]

The memes have already started:

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Finally: People have pointed to the fact that if she was intending to reach for her Taser, the Suspect was clearly doing or not doing something (as the case maybe) and given that a Taser isn't always non-lethal, the Suspect was playing some very stupid games and ended up winning the stupidest prize.

Blaming the victim there. If the numerous traffic stop videos on the 'net are anything to go by, the cops gun is usually the first thing they have ready as they exit their car, whether or not the suspect is trying anything or not. Refer the second video I linked - the detainee had both hand out the wind from the get go, yet the cops found it necessary to have guns at the ready.

[F5 Dave]

America is full of guns and stupid Americans. If I were a cop and wanted to live past 40 I'd be shoot first ask girl cub scouts if they were packing heat later.

After the first few dozen I'd feel pretty powerful.

Watchalookinat bouy?

[TheDemonLord]

Blaming the victim there. If the numerous traffic stop videos on the 'net are anything to go by, the cops gun is usually the first thing they have ready as they exit their car, whether or not the suspect is trying anything or not. Refer the second video I linked - the detainee had both hand out the wind from the get go, yet the cops found it necessary to have guns at the ready.

It's not blaming the Victim, it's saying that both parties have agency and certain choices they made or didn't make were a factor.

In terms of guns being drawn on a Traffic stop - might have something to do with the number of Cops shot, during Traffic stops.

But the key part is the last line - if she's been negligent or incompetent (depending on what the Facts say when they come to light) then she should be held accountable.

[pete376403]

It's not blaming the Victim, it's saying that both parties have agency and certain choices they made or didn't make were a factor.

In terms of guns being drawn on a Traffic stop - might have something to do with the number of Cops shot, during Traffic stops.

But the key part is the last line - if she's been negligent or incompetent (depending on what the Facts say when they come to light) then she should be held accountable.

Re:re guns and traffic stops:
Not so many, according to the FBI:https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...e-line-of-duty

And about half of these are accidents (vehicle, etc)

Compared to the number of people killed by cops : https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/

Not saying that there is no risk to the cops but with ratios like that it's not really surprising that a person stopped might be of the opinion that they are likely to be killed so why not try to even the odds a bit? Especially when the cop has an almost guaranteed get out - "I feared for my life" - where as the stopped driver could never use that as an excuse, regardless of the outcome.

[TheDemonLord]

Re:re guns and traffic stops:
Not so many, according to the FBI:https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...e-line-of-duty

I grant you the number isn't high, but the statement "Of the things that will get a Cop murdered in the line of Duty, traffic violation stops are the single biggest situation" is correct. Bearing in mind that is only people who are killed - when you consider cops wear Body Armour and have first aid kits etc. The survivability of a Cop vs Joe Bloggs favours the Cops.

Compared to the number of people killed by cops : https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/

That DB is very interesting, especially when you filter out all the people that were, in 2020:

1: Armed
2: Fleeing
3: Suffering from Mental Illness (Not saying it's right to shoot people suffering from Mental Illness, but people suffering can act erratically to the point where they present a threat that results in them getting killed)

You get a total of 20 people killed in 2020, now included in that are people like Breonna Taylor (Who was killed in a cross-fire when the Police attempted to serve a Warrant, caused by someone shooting at the Cops).
That also includes people who although not armed, were involved in 'A Physical Altercation' with the Police.
That also includes people who were advancing on the Police with their hands obscured or concealed.

48 vs 20

Not saying that there is no risk to the cops but with ratios like that it's not really surprising that a person stopped might be of the opinion that they are likely to be killed so why not try to even the odds a bit? Especially when the cop has an almost guaranteed get out - "I feared for my life" - where as the stopped driver could never use that as an excuse, regardless of the outcome.

When you actually drill down in the data - it seems exceedingly clear:

If you comply with the Police, you aren't presenting a threat - you'll not get shot.

I saw this morning that she's being charged with Manslaughter.

[sugilite:Me]

Fun fact, while I lived in the states, I was in a car stopped at a temporary booze testing station the cops had set up.
I was a passenger, not the driver. Being a kiwi, I had bare feet. There was a cop standing on my side of the car. I got a itch on my foot, and did not think about it and bent down to scratch it, and wammo - I had a gun in my face.
My fault, I don't have a quibble with it. It is a different world over there, and the guns are just every fucking where. I saw two newspaper adverts, open a bank account and get a free shotgun, and another buy a car and a choose a free hand gun.
It was Arkansas, so the cops had to have me repeat my answers to the questions several times as they just could not get my accent.
Once they learned I was from New Zealand, the conversation went straight to hobbits and kiwifruit, as it often did.
They became very friendly after that and even moaned about their anal boss to me lol

The day I landed in the states, there had been yet another mass shooting event. Queue empty thoughts and prayers waffle from the right with talk of gun control from the left. A local radio DJ was against any form of gun control. He was spouting off numbers. I cannot remember the exact numbers he was quoting, but his little speech went something like "When you take out the suicides, the number drops from 36,000 right down to ONLY 13000". It was the "only" word that really irked me. Just imagine if said DJ was made to walk down a line of 13000 dead peoples relatives and had to say "I'm sorry for your loss" to each of them. Lets see him use the word "only" after performing that task. It was sickening really, and there is no way America can fix it's gun problem as that warped "what gun problem" mentality spreads across so much of the population.

[F5 Dave]

Cool story bro I think is what one says. That had me sweating just reading it.

Free shotgun at bank. Jezzuz.

Get married at wedding-land and we'll give you some free knuckledusters. No reason, might come in handy.

[onearmedbandit]

I must say enjoyed my time in America, but I am white and I was in Orange County.

[TheDemonLord]

On this - I've just watched the BodyCam footage.

He's being arrested, about to be placed in Cuffs, then starts fighting the Cops. This is instigated by the Victim - as above, he started playing a Stupid Game.

Lady Cop has drawn her Weapon (it's very visible in the footage) and then really clearly yells:

"TASER! TASER! TASER!" before firing.

She immediately realises she has shot him and not uses the Taser, drops her Weapon in shock, he drives off and she's heard going 'Oh Shit!'

Seeing that reinforces 2 thoughts on this: Never ascribe to Malice, that which can be ascribed to Stupidity.
and
Even though it's seems clear she didn't intend to kill him and seems genuinely devastated that she shot someone - This looks like Manslaughter to me.

The only thing I can think of, is if it goes to trial the defense will say 'If he hadn't have driven off, he could have received life-saving first aid'. But yeah, she needs to be held accountable for her actions.

[onearmedbandit]

This guy will be looking for a new job soon, probably fit right in with some of the front line staff too.

https://www.revolt.tv/2021/4/14/2238...ault-black-man