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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Spent day in Wellington yesterday. Roaming the city for a coffee... half businesses are still full blown communist lockdown contact tracing stand and wait at line bullshit. The rest have token acknowledgement incase the stasi check on them but not enforcing. Guess which businesses were flourishing with customers and who got my money...
    We need to stand up for our way of life or this gradual loss of our rights and freedoms won’t end.
    Sweden took a softly-softly approach in regards to managing COVID and it blew up in their face it seems. Double NZ's population and the death toll there is over 4,500, now a commission ( of enquiry) to see whose heads will roll over the whole mess.

    All in all NZ made a mightly fine job of knocking this one over, so far. If the movie crews start recording a few new cases there's going to be a few people who will be mightily pissed off about it.

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    Sorry I got to say this... Here goes. Regarding the tourist Industry, They come to us cap in hand now wanting our support. They want us to travel and visit NZ tourist sites. what a pity they've spent the last 20 years selling overpriced attractions to foreigners Hobbiton $89, Te Puia Springs $76, Rainbow Springs $80, Waitomo Caves $64, signs and souveniers priced and signed in foreign currency/language. Domestic air fares dearer than flying to Australia, train fares dearer than just about anywhere in the world, motels at twice the price for comparable ones in the UK. And as for the fallacy that NZ owns its tourism industry, a quick walk through the Duty Free section at Auckland Airport should set you straight on this. Nope it's too expensive, you have ignored the local tourist for years now, sorry unless you give me a deal eg permanent big discount to NZ residents you won't be seeing me.
    Regarding the call from local suppliers to buy local. I bought a can of tomatoes yesterday, from Pak N Save 69cents imported from Italy !!!! Kiwi ones, $2.10.Treat us fairly producers and maybe you will get our support. NZ mutton is cheaper in the UK than here, NZ timber cheaper in Aus than here, NZ wine cheaper in the UK. $4.00 for an avocado grown in Katikati, $4.00 for a cauli grown in Pukekohe is ridiculous. For so long we have been gouged here in NZ by our own suppliers that we have grown to accept it. Now that the all important "export market" has dried up, guess what, all of a sudden we are indispensable and called on for help.
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    Sadly quite a lot of this above rings true. A couple of years ago myself and a couple of biker buddies went to the Burt and went via Queenstown as one of our stopover spots en-route. Never again for all the sorts of reasons described above with hugely expensive restaurants, overpriced accommodation and a general feel that it was carefully designed to separate you from your money as effectively as possible.

    Having said that the smaller spots we went to were ruddy great. In fact the whole trip was a salutary lesson in how to see NZ on a bike - Small and simple is by far best. I've tried to support a couple of local businesses in Blenheim more since the lockdown despite this costing me a bit more (Buying Scottoiler FS365 spray as well as a new Adventure-style helmet from the local bike adventure tour/rental place being just two examples) as it seems to be the right thing to do but my sympathy for elements of the tourist industry is somewhat sketchy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    Sweden took a softly-softly approach in regards to managing COVID and it blew up in their face it seems.
    There was a news item this morning that the architect of Sweden's response to the virus admits he got it wrong and people died needlessly.

    Of course now that I want the item to link to it, it has vanished. If I see it againI'll add the link.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...anders-tegnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    There was a news item this morning that the architect of Sweden's response to the virus admits he got it wrong and people died needlessly.

    Of course now that I want the item to link to it, it has vanished. If I see it againI'll add the link.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...anders-tegnell
    i wonder if the guy on KB who was so insistent they had got it right has the stones to fess up....

    https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131162515

    either will the leader who claimed
    “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
    before that it was a hoax....

    imagine the egg on that face..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    As an online retailer (one man band from home) we've seen extremely high sales since level 4 ended as are many of our trade customers it would seem going by the orders they are placing.
    A stupid move was to shut down online sales during "lockdown" as that part of the economy could have continued with courier deliveries, very safely (as we have witnessed). What idiotic moron, with no clue how to run an economy, would have done that? Oh, hang on... That would be Tony Blair's office girl.
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    But to do that you need people in warehouses, quantum more delivery truckers spanning the country, more customs , not to mention the couriers and back office. Wher do you stop with lockdown?
    So people can therapy shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    So people can therapy shop.
    Yup that's all it was about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    A stupid move was to shut down online sales during "lockdown" as that part of the economy could have continued with courier deliveries, very safely (as we have witnessed). What idiotic moron, with no clue how to run an economy, would have done that? Oh, hang on... That would be Tony Blair's office girl.
    We were trading during level 4 until MBIE advised us we weren't allowed on their 'secret squirrel' essential services list, despite the fact we were selling fabric to companies making masks and babywear who claimed they had essential status. (We had no way of verifying that as the MBIE essential businesses list isn't available to anyone but them )

    The whole MBIE process was totally disorganised and we had this confirmed by them along with a suggestion that they would revisit the set-up if we are to go into lockdown again. Sure they were taking the ultra-cautious approach but a little common sense would have been helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    You need to be a bit more careful with getting your facts right. If Nat had had a majority, they would have stayed in power. They had more votes than Labour but were unable to cooperate with another party so they got relegated. This is a great result for our current voting system and so this time round, guess what? Muller is talking to Uncle Winnie! It might not even be enough and if Uncle Winnie is not careful, he will lose favour with Labour as well. It is worth bearing in mind that the Nats could have been in power last time by forming a coalition with the Greens and ACT but chose not to. I prefer that the governing party cooperate with another party to some degree, keeping them a bit more honest.
    Perhaps YOU need to read more carefully ... If you read my post ... I did say "The majority wanted The National Party to govern" .... NOT National had the majority to govern.

    Read what you quoted ...

    If it means being the Governing Party ... Labour may take Winnie on board. But I'll bet he won't be Deputy PM. Possibly a few more places down the ranking.

    But if the final vote count gives Labour the advantage ... the hope will be the advantage is enough to cut him loose without the threat of him going with National. And maybe without the Green party too ...

    Has Covid-19 been that good to them ... ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    There was a news item this morning that the architect of Sweden's response to the virus admits he got it wrong and people died needlessly.

    Of course now that I want the item to link to it, it has vanished. If I see it againI'll add the link.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...anders-tegnell
    Saw the Herald article earlier but opted for the FT one I linked to. (Note to forum master: hyperlinks in text are near invisible, unless they are bold/underlined like I have now edited to in my earlier post.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Perhaps YOU need to read more carefully ... If you read my post ... I did say "The majority wanted The National Party to govern" .... NOT National had the majority to govern.

    Read what you quoted ...

    If it means being the Governing Party ... Labour may take Winnie on board. But I'll bet he won't be Deputy PM. Possibly a few more places down the ranking.

    But if the final vote count gives Labour the advantage ... the hope will be the advantage is enough to cut him loose without the threat of him going with National. And maybe without the Green party too ...

    Has Covid-19 been that good to them ... ??
    What majority? You mean the majority of voters split between Labour and National?It is more true to say the majority didn't want National to govern. Hence the whole Winston shemozzle. I don't have a horse in either race but it sure was a great lesson for the voters in how MMP works.
    And my other point was that National refused to do any kind of deal with the Greens, and possibly ACT and so we had Uncle Winnie wandering about with his deputy sherrifs badge on regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    A stupid move was to shut down online sales during "lockdown" as that part of the economy could have continued with courier deliveries, very safely (as we have witnessed). What idiotic moron, with no clue how to run an economy, would have done that? Oh, hang on... That would be Tony Blair's office girl.
    the Couriers were very busy anyway.The rationale was that essential businesses /items only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    We were trading during level 4 until MBIE advised us we weren't allowed on their 'secret squirrel' essential services list, despite the fact we were selling fabric to companies making masks and babywear who claimed they had essential status. (We had no way of verifying that as the MBIE essential businesses list isn't available to anyone but them )

    The whole MBIE process was totally disorganised and we had this confirmed by them along with a suggestion that they would revisit the set-up if we are to go into lockdown again. Sure they were taking the ultra-cautious approach but a little common sense would have been helpful.
    Remember the whole scenario developed quite quickly.I think it is very easy with 20/20 hindsight to say this was wrong ,and that was wrong.I think the simplicity of the initials lockdowns made it easy to manage for ebryone.Its not so simple anymore and i think many people are confused about some of the rules/numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    i wonder if the guy on KB who was so insistent they had got it right has the stones to fess up....

    https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131162515

    either will the leader who claimed
    “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
    before that it was a hoax....

    imagine the egg on that face..........
    3.30....
    its still quite confusing as some of the poms are saying we should have stuck to our original/swedens plan,the numbers are not that different.I think thats our plan has shown the best balance.Once the numbers get up its much harder to get them back under control.Easier to go hard early then go from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    its still quite confusing as some of the poms are saying we should have stuck to our original/swedens plan,the numbers are not that different.I think thats our plan has shown the best balance.Once the numbers get up its much harder to get them back under control.Easier to go hard early then go from there
    Yeah the gummermint did did well despite the moaners. I was expecting Level 4 to go on for a bit longer.

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