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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    What majority?
    Well ... actually the majority of those that actually voted. National had more votes ... but not enough to have the required number of seats in the house.

    MMP was the only way any of the smaller parties were ever going to have any effect with any governing party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonez View Post
    Yeah the gummermint did did well despite the moaners. I was expecting Level 4 to go on for a bit longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    If Key, or presumably English had been in he would still be chasing tourist dollars and the borders open till - Oh shit we really have got a problem and we're little Italy. And we'd be in full lockdown but with much worse consequences and economic poo. Its not a state driven by political ideology.
    And I am a capitalist more than otherwise.
    Quite happy for the borders closed part, its the domestic parts of lockdown that I have issues with so many contradictions and double standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Quite happy for the borders closed part, its the domestic parts of lockdown that I have issues with so many contradictions and double standards.
    Yep go to the local Indian restaurant for dinner, all systems normal, go to KFC the next day wasn't even allowed inside.
    Like I said, it sure weeds out those with a can't do attitude.

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    Sushi lunch, no problem. Donner kebab likewise. Library?

    Nope.

    Assertive security guard at the door, plus several people loitering in the lobby, and a pubescent library person ineptly fiddling with an iPad, insisting on personal details but unable to explain why.

    But then I'm only a ratepayer/taxpayer, not a valued customer.

    And grumpy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Quite happy for the borders closed part, its the domestic parts of lockdown that I have issues with so many contradictions and double standards.
    Well you write some rules and stand by for constructive criticism on how ineffective or draconian they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    Remember the whole scenario developed quite quickly...
    That is the bullshit pumped out and swallowed whole by the gullible.

    This was well known and monitored for over three months, yet when it came to the crunch the morons in power hesitated, then simply fumbled their way in the dark and under blind panic, to take action. Even then they still failed to close the borders as they said they had done.

    About a month and a half before we were sent to a country-wide naughty step, I was talking to a Hong Kong kiwi, who said they HK had already demanded their borders closed AND stip-mined every supermarket and shop for rice.

    But our country was "caught by surprise"... yeah, right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Yup that's all it was about...
    Otherwise called "keeping part of the economy going".

    It's as if the gubbinment wanted the economy to tank.
    Or, they were just incompetent enough to allow it to do so.

    Either way, the younger generation that complained about struggling to get onto the property ladder, will now be completely unable to do so because of the massive debt placed around their neck by liarbour.
    Just wait to see what new taxes are going to be introduced...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Well ... actually the majority of those that actually voted. National had more votes ... but not enough to have the required number of seats in the house.

    MMP was the only way any of the smaller parties were ever going to have any effect with any governing party.
    Here is a link to the voting outcome from last election. When you have said majority, I think you meant that more people voted for national than labour. In fact 44.4% of voters voted for national. So that is what I meant by not a majority. But you can see that for yourself in the link.

    https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/...nresults_2017/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Here is a link to the voting outcome from last election. When you have said majority, I think you meant that more people voted for national than labour. In fact 44.4% of voters voted for national. So that is what I meant by not a majority. But you can see that for yourself in the link.

    https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/...nresults_2017/
    There's nothing unusual about that NZ governments have consisted of a coalition of minority parties every term since MMP began. Prior to that the criticism was that FFP resulted in governments that weren't representative of the majority of voters. Now that coalition governments have become the norm the supporters of the highest polling non-governing party are parroting the 'COL' moniker. You can please some of the people....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Well ... actually the majority of those that actually voted. National had more votes ... but not enough to have the required number of seats in the house.

    MMP was the only way any of the smaller parties were ever going to have any effect with any governing party.
    that is the idea of it....PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION.National had the biggest share of any one party.You are inferring that they were first past the post..that is an archaic systemwhere whole segment(s) of the vote is ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    That is the bullshit pumped out and swallowed whole by the gullible.

    This was well known and monitored for over three months, yet when it came to the crunch the morons in power hesitated, then simply fumbled their way in the dark and under blind panic, to take action. Even then they still failed to close the borders as they said they had done.

    About a month and a half before we were sent to a country-wide naughty step, I was talking to a Hong Kong kiwi, who said they HK had already demanded their borders closed AND stip-mined every supermarket and shop for rice.

    But our country was "caught by surprise"... yeah, right!
    In a way yes,but asia has had this kind of thing before...us westerners still look at the spanish flu as our experience.I think the IDEAS are known but how to implement them is different.I am still of the opinion that it has worked well.(i will accept your argument that it may be more luck than management)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Otherwise called "keeping part of the economy going".

    It's as if the gubbinment wanted the economy to tank.
    Or, they were just incompetent enough to allow it to do so.

    Either way, the younger generation that complained about struggling to get onto the property ladder, will now be completely unable to do so because of the massive debt placed around their neck by liarbour.
    Just wait to see what new taxes are going to be introduced...
    what is the motivation for governments world wide to destroy their own economies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    what is the motivation for governments world wide to destroy their own economies?
    Normally either corruption or ineptitude. Socialism succeeds on both counts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    what is the motivation for governments world wide to destroy their own economies?

    it's a election year & most of the voting public won't see the fallout of the destroyed economy until after the election and the incompetent are returned to power, this applies to many governments worldwide as there a few important elections due this year.
    But if they did nothing and great aunt Mavis dropped dead of COVID-19 that is a direct result of there incompetence and voters will then vote for the opposition as a form of protest vote as emotions impact voters decisions, the destroyers of the economy don't get back into power & can't hide their incompetence.

    The scary issue for most of the tax paying middle classes is that the economic issues will be payed for in the future & yes we will be pay for this and most likely your kids will still be paying for it when they start working.

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