Cannabis referendum.

[TheDemonLord]

Are they just doing dope or have moved on to the harder stuff like Ice.?

At last count, it was unhealthy amounts of LSD

[Katman]

At last count, it was unhealthy amounts of LSD

Well that certainly puts quite a different complexion on your post at #78.

[Bonez]

At last count, it was unhealthy amounts of LSD

Well that certainly puts quite a different complexion on your post at #78.

What Katman said.

[TheDemonLord]

Well that certainly puts quite a different complexion on your post at #78.

Except there's a timescale of a good number of years between those two time periods.

Trust me when I say (as the person who was there and watched the downfall) it was chronic abuse of Weed that did them in, the Acid that came later didn't do them any additional favours, but the damage was well and truly already done.

[Katman]

Trust me when I say (as the person who was there and watched the downfall) it was chronic abuse of Weed that did them in, the Acid that came later didn't do them any additional favours, but the damage was well and truly already done.

So was that the weed's fault - or does the fault lie with the individuals who couldn't control their use of it?

[Viking01]

Following a survey of experiences from overseas jurisdictions:

https://www.pmcsa.ac.nz/topics/cannabis/

[Katman]

Following a survey of experiences from overseas jurisdictions:

https://www.pmcsa.ac.nz/topics/cannabis/

I find it curious that they state.....

Whether this plays out in reality is yet to be determined, as legalisation reforms in other places have not been in place for long enough for a full evaluation of long-term impacts. There is an inevitable lag before evidence of changes in health and social measures emerge. It also takes some time for the effects of commercialisation of cannabis to eventuate where a profit-oriented approach is taken.

.....considering the fact that, while cannabis is strictly speaking still illegal (it has only been decriminalised), in the Netherlands coffee shops have been openly selling cannabis and associated products without any government hindrance for over 30 years.

[TheDemonLord]

So was that the weed's fault - or does the fault lie with the individuals who couldn't control their use of it?

Depends on how you want to slice it:

The Weed has no agency, therefore it's entirely the individuals fault - like all substance abuse
or
The Weed was what did the damage, therefore it's entirely the Weeds Fault - like all dangerous substances.

My personal view is that some people have both temperamental and genetic predisposition to abuse, add in things like life events - and you create the perfect scenario. I don't, however, hold that those individuals are enough cause to warrant restricting everyone else.

Again - I'm all for the Cannabis referendum: Frees up Police resources, generates tax revenue, incentivizes certain groups to rejoin polite society etc. etc. Win/Win and long overdue in my book. Not only that, but by removing the criminal association, it should help individuals who are on a downward spiral seek help (since there is no longer the looming shadow of arrest).

I say that despite seeing several people become burn-outs - point was only that whilst it's uncharitable to cast that shadow over all people that Smoke Weed, there are some people who fit that bill, I've seen it first hand and it wasn't pretty or nice to watch.

[Katman]

Depends on how you want to slice it:

The Weed has no agency, therefore it's entirely the individuals fault - like all substance abuse
or
The Weed was what did the damage, therefore it's entirely the Weeds Fault - like all dangerous substances.

So if someone shoots up a mosque, is it the gun's fault or the fault of the person who fired it?

[TheDemonLord]

So if someone shoots up a mosque, is it the gun's fault or the fault of the person who fired it?

The Police's fault for issuing a Licence when they didn't meet the vetting requirements.

Edit:

Considering my follow-up statements should clarify where I think the issue lies: Temperament, predisposition and life-event factors, and that it does not provide a basis for restricting the rights of everyone else.

[Bonez]

Except there's a timescale of a good number of years between those two time periods.

Trust me when I say (as the person who was there and watched the downfall) it was chronic abuse of Weed that did them in, the Acid that came later didn't do them any additional favours, but the damage was well and truly already done.

Did you try to intervene or suggest help when they went down hill or just watched like 80% of the population?

[onearmedbandit]

Fair enough. I didn’t factor in the social media aspect, wasn’t around when I was a reefer addict.

I've not met a reefer addict yet, habitual smokers yes but not an addict. I'm sure they exist due to lack of self control but the substance itself unlike say tobacco isn't addictive. I've gone months without it overseas and not missed it at all, and I'm a regular smoker (well now I use a dry herb vape, much better on the throat).

[TheDemonLord]

Did you try to intervene or suggest help when they went down hill or just watched like 80% of the population?

Does breaking into their bedroom, via a window, untying them from a bed where they were attempting to commit suicide (thankfully, badly) and calling 111 for an Ambulance count?

[Katman]

Does breaking into their bedroom, via a window, untying them from a bed where they were attempting to commit suicide (thankfully, badly) and calling 111 for an Ambulance count?

Did they tie themselves up?

[TheDemonLord]

Did they tie themselves up?

I didn't ask them, y'know - too busy worrying about them Dying and all....

But since you asked:

https://www.wikihow.com/Tie-Yourself...eagle-Position

Now kindly stop being a Cunt.