Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[FJRider]

1. It appears Joe Biden has been officially confirmed as the next president. So from that point of view, I was wrong.

2. But the real question is do I believe he won legitimately? Short answer - No.

3. Many of my fans will want to gloat with glee over that - with cries of 'Cope' and 'Conspiracy' and 'Magat' and alike.

4. And I'll grant you all of the above (and whatever else you deem) - I'll admit that I don't have the conclusive proof that would meet the threshold in a court of law. From a pure numbers point of view however, there are too many unprecedented occurrences with Joe's election.

5. The machinery of power is moving exactly as one would expect should that be the case - get Joe in as quick as possible - Gloss over any queries and then when a sufficient amount of time has passed, maybe hold an enquiry (by then a lot of time-sensitive will either have expired or be destroyed).

6. Then we have to accept that the idea of violently overthrowing a Government is baked into the Constitution and the Founding fathers were explicit: "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants".

1. Stating the obvious ... but ... not the first (nor will be the last) time you were/are wrong.

2. What you believe is entirely your choice. Be it in Father Christmas or the result in the latest American election. The results are final ... but Trump might ask for a few more recounts. What has he got left to loose .. ??? Greater legal minds than yours will be (and no doubt have been) scouring the record keeping in election process for any "irregularities" (that favored Biden) ... in the vote counting process. Or any other part of the Election process.

So far ... nothing.

3. You have fans ... who knew .. ??

4. "Unprecedented occurrences" are common in most elections ... there were a few in the last election held in New Zealand ... a few months back. And the one before that too.

Unless they are deemed illegal ... it doesn't change the election result.

5. The "Machinery of power" is bigger the Government itself. A lot of people doing what they are paid to do. Very small needles in a big haystack. Again ... plenty of people looking ... and nothing (illegal) found to alter the election outcome so far.

6. A violent overthrow of Government is not a particularly new (sometimes ... not even a particularly bad) occurrence in history. Civil wars are fought to determine whom governs. It will take more than a few (armed) Trump supporters to achieve victory (power) doing that.

It will certainly take more than a few kids with imitation AK's to achieve success in that.

[FJRider]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?

Send him a link to KB.

His problems sorted.


Any guesses from any ... as to a suggested username .. he would choose to log on with .. ???

[TheDemonLord]

You were going OK up 'til then, from there on you lost the plot.

There's a clip of Lou Dodds, a senile FOX personality, saying he's confused about why there is no evidence to prove all the electoral fraud that everybody knows happened.
Of course that's a tell. The 'fact' that there is no proof, proves there is a conspiracy. When you hear that just walk away. The person is a lost cause.

TDL's post comes close to that. Very close.

It's not that there isn't Proof, it's more that what we currently have doesn't come close to the 'Beyond all reasonable Doubt' levels of proof required by a court of law.

And that's fine.

My position is that given all of the unprecedented occurrences and the statistical outliers, on the preponderance of that Evidence, there's been some form of foul play or at the very least, something that requires a proper and full investigation.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm printing out this nearly admission to put on the wall
To be fair mate, it was a lot closer than I thought it was going to be and if that recording of Trump admitting he had deliberately downplayed the virus had not come out - he could well of won.
And polls can go fuck themselves for the next US election

Haha, fair enough.

I jokingly said to my son today that the poor little magas will end up on some russian platform in place of parler, and boom - there they are flocking to the Russian developed "telegram".
Way to go comrade magas - you just cannot make this shit up!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...for-terrorists

I dunno, at the moment, Russian Corruption seems more honest than the US Tech corruption. And that's not even being that glib.

[TheDemonLord]

Ok um, so. . . This "Machinery of Power", Where is this hidden? Is it in the basement of the White House? and in 4 years Trumps lackeys couldn't find it to turn it off?

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.

So how are the Democrats controlling all this?. Remote control? Lizard technology? Because they are not in power yet. You know that yeah?

See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

[TheDemonLord]

1. Stating the obvious ... but ... not the first (nor will be the last) time you were/are wrong.

Love you too.

2. What you believe is entirely your choice. Be it in Father Christmas or the result in the latest American election. The results are final ... but Trump might ask for a few more recounts. What has he got left to loose .. ??? Greater legal minds than yours will be (and no doubt have been) scouring the record keeping in election process for any "irregularities" (that favored Biden) ... in the vote counting process. Or any other part of the Election process.

So far ... nothing.

To be fair, there's plenty of irregularities, the issue is whether or not they meet the level of proof demanded by the courts. It's one thing for a number of Poll watchers to say they weren't able to watch the votes being counted (and their testimony to be backed up by video Evidence), but that doesn't prove that Cheating definitely happened.

I can think of a number of very famous legal cases where someone was very obviously guilty, but because of the inability to meet the threshold of 'Beyond all reasonable doubt' - they got off. The Kahui case springs to mind.

3. You have fans ... who knew .. ??

Well, in my absence a number of people were eagerly awaiting my opinion and I was referenced in passing by others and that post generated 4 different replies - so that suffices for me.

4. "Unprecedented occurrences" are common in most elections ... there were a few in the last election held in New Zealand ... a few months back. And the one before that too.

Unless they are deemed illegal ... it doesn't change the election result.

That's a very interesting comparison - I've stated my opinion on Jacinda (I think she's a Cunt) - but I can acknowledge she was wildly popular - There was AN unprecedented occurrence (outright victory under MMP for Labour), but the rest of the election result wasn't too far off predictions - NZ First got booted out of Parliament for Crossing the floor and forming and coalition with Labour. ACT did well off the back of David Seymours principled opposition. The Greens rallied.

And even that Unprecedented event wasn't unpredictable - with several pundits speculating whether or not she would be able to do it. On top of that, our history of MMP is relatively short, compared to the US system.

Whereas in the US there's been a large number of 'Firsts' and events that haven't happened in 100+ years. As we both agree though - that doesn't meet the requirement of Legal proof that there was foul play, For me however, it does meet the threshold of on the preponderance of evidence.

5. The "Machinery of power" is bigger the Government itself. A lot of people doing what they are paid to do. Very small needles in a big haystack. Again ... plenty of people looking ... and nothing (illegal) found to alter the election outcome so far.

Completely agree the Machinery of Power extends far beyond the Government. I beleive I've already flogged this horse - but things were found that were suspicious and worthy of thorough investigation but they did not meet the requirement of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'

6. A violent overthrow of Government is not a particularly new (sometimes ... not even a particularly bad) occurrence in history. Civil wars are fought to determine whom governs. It will take more than a few (armed) Trump supporters to achieve victory (power) doing that.

It will certainly take more than a few kids with imitation AK's to achieve success in that.

For sure it's not new, however in most Government structures, Civil War and Revolution are generally frowned upon, whereas America is quite unique in that the threat of violent overthrow of the government is specifically baked into the system. It's akin to the 3rd leg of the Triumvirate system that Rome used to be built on.

I see that they are trying Impeachment again, So much for 'Unity and Togetherness'...

[Laava]

Send him a link to KB.

His problems sorted.


Any guesses from any ... as to a suggested username .. he would choose to log on with .. ???

He could be TheDementedLard or Bonez2?
Hard to imagine but he is possibly even dumber than Boner. Be hilarious tho having 2 tantrum throwers filling their little diapers everytime someone didn't agree with anything they said!

[Bonez]

He could be TheDementedLard or Bonez2?
Hard to imagine but he is possibly even dumber than Boner. Be hilarious tho having 2 tantrum throwers filling their little diapers everytime someone didn't agree with anything they said!

I you too darling. Seems all you KB knitting circle members are listening to those little voices in your heads lol


Just saying sweety pie..

[TheDemonLord]

He could be TheDementedLard

Well, I'd feel especially honored.

[sugilite:Me]

It's not that there isn't Proof, it's more that what we currently have doesn't come close to the 'Beyond all reasonable Doubt' levels of proof required by a court of law.

And that's fine.

My position is that given all of the unprecedented occurrences and the statistical outliers, on the preponderance of that Evidence, there's been some form of foul play or at the very least, something that requires a proper and full investigation.

Haha, fair enough.



I dunno, at the moment, Russian Corruption seems more honest than the US Tech corruption. And that's not even being that glib.

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.



See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

Love you too.



To be fair, there's plenty of irregularities, the issue is whether or not they meet the level of proof demanded by the courts. It's one thing for a number of Poll watchers to say they weren't able to watch the votes being counted (and their testimony to be backed up by video Evidence), but that doesn't prove that Cheating definitely happened.

I can think of a number of very famous legal cases where someone was very obviously guilty, but because of the inability to meet the threshold of 'Beyond all reasonable doubt' - they got off. The Kahui case springs to mind.



Well, in my absence a number of people were eagerly awaiting my opinion and I was referenced in passing by others and that post generated 4 different replies - so that suffices for me.



That's a very interesting comparison - I've stated my opinion on Jacinda (I think she's a Cunt) - but I can acknowledge she was wildly popular - There was AN unprecedented occurrence (outright victory under MMP for Labour), but the rest of the election result wasn't too far off predictions - NZ First got booted out of Parliament for Crossing the floor and forming and coalition with Labour. ACT did well off the back of David Seymours principled opposition. The Greens rallied.

And even that Unprecedented event wasn't unpredictable - with several pundits speculating whether or not she would be able to do it. On top of that, our history of MMP is relatively short, compared to the US system.

Whereas in the US there's been a large number of 'Firsts' and events that haven't happened in 100+ years. As we both agree though - that doesn't meet the requirement of Legal proof that there was foul play, For me however, it does meet the threshold of on the preponderance of evidence.



Completely agree the Machinery of Power extends far beyond the Government. I beleive I've already flogged this horse - but things were found that were suspicious and worthy of thorough investigation but they did not meet the requirement of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'



For sure it's not new, however in most Government structures, Civil War and Revolution are generally frowned upon, whereas America is quite unique in that the threat of violent overthrow of the government is specifically baked into the system. It's akin to the 3rd leg of the Triumvirate system that Rome used to be built on.

I see that they are trying Impeachment again, So much for 'Unity and Togetherness'...

You address a lot - as is your way.
Glaringly absent though is your thoughts on Trump, a man you have stated is a very smart guy. Keep this in mind for your possible answer as clearly he will of known exactly what he was doing.
What is your thoughts on Trump winding up his supporters to do what they did - AND promising he would be there right with them all the way, then going back to the west wing to view the carnage he had so expertly sowed?

[R650R]

There's a very good piece on Politico by Fiona Hill - the eastern european expert who testified at the first impeachment.
She correctly identifies it as an attempted coup - and lays out the classic steps and how Trump followed them.

She doesn't go to what IMO is the inevitable conclusion however - if Trump had had the balls to lead the assault himself it probably would have succeeded.

But in my mind it leaves a very big question - Who told Trump how to do it ? Demonstrably he doesn't read history, least of all political history.

Someone who does however is his mate Putin....

One has to be not in power before it’s a coup, he’s still officially president for a few more days...

But your getting closer to the Truth, that a communist takeover is happening behind the scenes...
I LOVE how the left screams out that communist Russia is meddling with America’s power structure and elections but refuses to acknowledge the possibility there are few more deeper layers leading to the Elite behind the scenes...
There is a coup happening but it’s the Elite vs humanity, we’ve developed the necessary infrastructure and technology that weve made ourselves redundant via population growth. Us slaves are over educated and they’re having trouble keeping us on the plantation.
But send us back they will via equality where everyone has the same, just remember poverty in a western nation is untold riches compared to slaves in China or Africa etc.... so be careful what you wish for.... equality means having nothing...
People in western nations are like that slave in the Chris Rock joke that secretly learnt to read and knows not to say stop but tells his master watch out for the S T O P sign

[R650R]

If you look at the majority of Media companies - they share either a soft left or substantial left bias.
If you look at Eductation (at all levels) - overwhelming left or far left.
If you look at the 'Big Tech Giants' - They donate to the Democrats, give preferential treatment to Left-Wing causes that is not extended to Right-Wing causes, implement radical left theories into corporate policy.
If you look at most corporate HR and Media departments - they are overwhelmingly left also.



See above.

Media, Education, The Internet and Big Corporates - those are pretty significant and influential parts of modern society.

Bang on the money... isnÂ’t it just hilarious that the extreme left calls them self anti fascist when the highest definition of fascism is the merger of state and corporate power.

Just look at Hitler we all agree he was a bad guy... but the real power was the likes of IG Farben whose groups of companies made the poison gases, whose companies utilised the work camp labour and I wonÂ’t even mention the AMERICAN companies who sold rubber and other industrial technologies to these outfits during wartime!

We all used to laugh on both sides at the obvious political corruption of America where corporate lobbyists influence laws and decisions with donations and gifts etc no one here would dispute that process...
But now we have the corporates openly stating what they think is wrong and right but itÂ’s not impartial...
We have the worlds richest computer expert who really was just done nerd lucky in right place st right time with help from daddyÂ’s mo etc and influence sufffenly make himself the world expert on vaccines....
We have media that no longer questions and prints corporate press releases as news, that previously would have been back on page 9 or 11 with in small bold letters next door the word advertisement.

Oh well the great reset is coming where we all own nothing to repay the corona lockdown debt...
If watching the left cry about the homeless stealing their food in the CHAZ compound no pice zone was anything to go by itÂ’s sure going to be entertaining. In our lovely New equality world some people are still going to want more than others.
Guess who the easy targets will be???? Call the ..... Call the .... dial..... disconnected tone....

[sugilite:Me]

Just for DL reference, this is the level of intelligence the people that Trump is manipulating to his own ends. (hilarious video as it may be)

[pritch]

Trump's knowledge of US geography has been shown to be sketchy previously when he placed Kansas City in the wrong state when congratulating a sports team.

Trump is flying to Alamo Texas. This may be to remind everybody of the event, famous in Amarican history, where a group of 'illegal immigrants' made a last stand against the Mexican Army.

A minor detail perhaps, but if his intention is somehow to associate his final days in office with the famous last stand, he's in the wrong place. "The Alamo" of historic fame is near San Antonio, hundreds of kilometers away from the eponymous town near the west Texas border.

SNAFU?

[R650R]

Since Trump has been banned from Twitter and other social media, maybe he would consider Kiwibitcher as a new platform?

Big tech has just made a huge mistake. It’s like when cops kill a drug lord in Mexico they create a power vacumn.
The platform bans haven’t dented Trumos support base. He still has a major following. Trump has mega business experience and connections.
Post presidency we could see a new Trump News Network, Trump twitter and Facebook style platforms. Build it and they will come, advertisers will want to access 50% of their markets that leftist outlets just burned to a crisp.
And you can bet they won’t be as censored or nanny state as the existing sites so even the leftists will flock over to vent their views.

Now think about this... would you want to work in a place with ................................., safe spaces and nasty words banned or work somewhere with true freedom of expression allowed.