Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[F5 Dave]

The death stats on that site for the UK are staggering. The equivalent of us having 91.5 die every day.

And 2500 extra people in hospital with the Rona and all the special care and isolation precautions that entails. Can you imagine what that costs? Anyone that thinks lockdown was expensive should consider the costs of quickly converting hospital wards to try cope with that. Not to mention the long term health effects, respiratory damage and costs associated.

[husaberg]

Ummmm your post is confusing. There is a difference between electoral fraud and voter fraud. It's the Republicans who are guilty of the former, and it's them making up fairy tales about the latter. Well actually it was Trump making up fairy tales, but the Republicans went along with him.

The Republicans are always trying to suppress votes. They really don't want those black people being able to vote. Some of their recent unhinged court cases were intended to cancel the votes of whole cities with large black populations. Even judges appointed by Trump weren't able to play that game.



On another matter, it has been obvious to most that Putin has had Trump in his pocket all along. Sometimes Trump would come out with an odd statement and people would shrug their shoulders wondering where that came from. It subsequently transpired it was a Kremlin talking point. An example? Trump suddenly announcing that Montenegrans were aggressive people. Actually he's lucky they aren't all that aggressive or he would have been punched by the president of Montenegro at an international meeting where he rudely pushed the Montenegran aside so the he, Trump, would be in front for the cameras.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...b-spy-new-book

there was also the manipulation through the targeted ads in 2016 through the trump backers.

The questions surrounding the role of Facebook and other social media sites in the politics of our time have been coming at what feels like an accelerating pace. Reporting by the Observer, the Guardian and the New York Times in recent days has revealed that Cambridge Analytica — the social media monitoring firm that bragged it helped put Trump in the White House — had gained access before the election to the data of 50 million Facebook users through highly questionable means. Cambridge Analytica used to that data to create a tool of “psychological warfare” to manipulate American voters with targeted Facebook ads and social media campaigns. This news has painted the national discussion over social media’s impact on national politics in a stark new light. There was already a debate raging about how targeted digital ads and messages from campaigns, partisan propagandists and even Russian agents were sowing outrage and division in the U.S. electorate. Now it appears that Cambridge Analytica took it one step farther, using highly sensitive personal data taken from Facebook users without their knowledge to manipulate them into supporting Donald Trump. This scandal raises major questions about how this could have happened, how it can be stopped and whether the connection between data-driven ads and democracy is fundamentally toxic.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-trump-victory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica
https://www.wired.com/story/what-did...umps-campaign/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...zkowski-114075

[Viking01]

Don,
Missed out again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-norweigan-mp

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...el-peace-prize

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlSlfhpkQk

[pritch]

" A wet fart at a black tie dinner?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrYH-QSrAA8

[pritch]

It would seem that Rudy Giuliani considered the 1.3 Billion he is being sued for by the makers of Dominion voting machines is insufficient. He has now said that the attempted coup on the 6th january was orchestrated by the Lincoln Project. He may well be hearing from their lawyers too?

This is a very abreviated clip of his comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVVxAzVNcEs

[pritch]

Josh Hawley was being touted as a 2024 presidential candidate until 6/1/21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-eLOXLyezw

[pritch]

The lincoln Project's lawyer has written to Rudy.

[pritch]

Somehow Trump had arranged a team of serious lawyers for his impeachment trial but it seems they have all now resigned. This seemed odd. A White House reporter has posted that Trump is still adamant that he won the election and that it was stolen from him, and that is to be his defence. It is a crime to lie to Congress so his legal team would have been placing themselves at risk of subsequent prosecution. Safer and saner to get out of Dodge.

[pete376403]

Those who claim the Capitol riot was not a coup because it failed (so therefore any involved should not be charged with treason, attempted or otherwise)...

[Bonez]

Blah fuck'n blah.

Just saying......

[TheDemonLord]

Those who claim the Capitol riot was not a coup because it failed (so therefore any involved should not be charged with treason, attempted or otherwise)...

No one has said it's not a coup because it's failed.

To be a pedant on the Cartoon: How many barrels of Gunpowder did they attempt to place into the White House?

And for added pedantry (because I've gotta be me, right?) - this is in a country where such compounds (not just Gunpowder, others as well), so it's not like stringing the metaphor painfully out isn't outside the bounds reality.

[R650R]

Don,
Missed out again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-norweigan-mp

[Edit]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...el-peace-prize

Well they gave Obama one when he was drone strike slaying women and children in wedding convoys...not like it has any prestige anymore....

[pritch]

Well they gave Obama one when he was drone strike slaying women and children in wedding convoys...not like it has any prestige anymore....

That's historically inaccurate. Obama got his Nobel before he did that. He'd been president for only nine months when he received the award.

The Nobel must still have prestige, Trump received multiple forged nominations. Alan Dershowitz has recently nominated Jared Kushner. The wrong people still seem to want one quite badly. Of course the million bucks that goes with it might add to the appeal?

[TheDemonLord]

That's historically inaccurate. Obama got his Nobel before he did that. He'd been president for only nine months when he received the award.

Okay then, what did he actually do to deserve one?

The Nobel must still have prestige, Trump received multiple forged nominations. Alan Dershowitz has recently nominated Jared Kushner. The wrong people still seem to want one quite badly. Of course the million bucks that goes with it might add to the appeal?

It's more about proving a point about the biased nature of certain institutions.

Obama got one for (as far as I can tell) doing nothing. Some people will say he got one for the 'achievement' of being the first Black US president, but such a thing is not worthy of the Peace prize.

Now, Trump has done at least 3.5 things that have contributed more to global peace than Obama did:

NK Talks
Middle East Peace agreement
Pulling US Troops out from overseas
and the 0.5 is not starting a new War.

I'll hear arguments that some of them have downsides, I'll also hear arguments that some of those are more symbolic - however when compared to others who were awarded the prize and achieved way less, from an objective viewpoint, Trump is a worthy recipient - but we all know that there is no way that certain interest groups would ever allow that, and so it's now being done to demonstrate the Hypocrisy.

You can start wars, Use Drone Strikes etc. etc. and be awarded a Peace Prize (or in this case, not have it revoked), but you can't setup Negotiations with a previously hostile country and sign symbolic peace treaties in order to win one....

All this does is tarnish the prestige that the prize once had.