Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

The thousands upon thousands of fraud complaints by his supporters along with the mega percentage more refunds than the dems is 100% proof. How do you breathe with your head stuck in the sand?

So no Memos then.

No confirmed intent? I'm glad you concede the point.

Wow, just wow - you can not possibly know this cyclists life story - despite making out you do. The simple FACT is you do not know shit about him. Maybe he just wanted to keep his face warm, maybe he had just robbed a bank and was executing a stealthy getaway, maybe he lost his helmet. I repeat - you don't know shit about him.

If only his backpack was emblazoned with Emblems that clearly denoted his political viewpoints... If only....

I appreciate that I may not have stopped him and grilled him on the minutiae of his every political and social belief - but I can assure you, the Mask he was wearing was not of the 'I want to keep my face warm' type, nor was he coming from any Bank.

Why are you so averse to the clear point that Mask wearing has been adopted as a Virtuous Act by one side and an Act of Rebellion by the other?

Because he has a gift for attracting gullible idiots that love nothing better to dine on his hyperbole. These gullible idiots don't seem to realize that because 95+% of what falls out his mouth is hyperbole, subsequently nothing he says can be taken seriously

Sure - which is why I ignore 95% of what Trump says, it's the 5% that isn't hyperbole that interests me.

I could make a much longer list of Trumps and you know it lol. I see you are avoiding wanting to discuss trumps airport clanger, just want to focus on twisting Bidens words to make it sound like something he clearly did not intend - fancy that!

I said you could make a longer list (if you include every bit of Hyperbole) - but I also said Biden's was much more damning.

In terms of the Clanger - if my history serves me, weren't the American army defending a Port in that battle? In which case it's a fairly inconsequential slip of the tongue to say Airport instead of port (or harbour)

I'm very comfortable with what weapons have been controlled in this instance. You can still go hunting and kill things - chin up chap.

And if I was so inclined I could go to Hirepool, then RD1 then a Shell Garage and have access to all the things one would need to commit an act of Terror.

Also, it's very easy to be comfortable when you've got no skin in the game. But then - less than 30% handed in, so have they really been controlled?

Yes, doing nothing is really working out well for the states on gun violence huh

Depends - in the Republican states with Liberal Open Carry or CCP laws, things seem to be going pretty well. In California and New York (Both Democrat strongholds with very strict Firearm Laws) - not so much.

Time change old chap. Some things just fade away - like nearly every single ideal the founding fathers set up. But just keep that laser scope on the 2nd amendment

I completely agree that the departure from the Founding Principles, not just the 2A, has been to the detriment of the US.

But in this instance, no - I don't think times change. Just like on the 1st Amendment - Hate Speech laws be damned - There's an absolute Natural/God Given right and I do not think it should ever be moderated.

Correct, no major news agencies jumped on it, it was just blown up by the loony fringe out of touch with reality mob. Loonies you seem well acquainted with

Ah yes, why would Corporate, left-leaning America not seek to discredit the Left-Wing president....

The Loony Fringe that you refer to BTW - has higher Viewership figures than the likes of CNN, MSNBC Combined - so which is which?

You are embarrassing yourself, "implied threat" Only stupid trumpifiles could extract that from his statement.

It's quite clearly saying 'We've got bigger weapons than you and so if you want to overthrow us, we'll crush you'

Control your hyperbole eh. The hypocrisy is yours for ignoring the many, many more times Trump butchered American history. ahem, airports in the 1700's

There is no Hyperbole on my part - Biden was explicitly wrong on his Historical statements. Categorically. The rest is more amusement at the absurdity of his rational for trying to Ban weapons that he refers to as 'Weapons of War' and then moments later says that they would be ineffective in fighting a War.

You have to be joking, you critical of Trump?

I've stated many times I don't like his manner of Speech, there's other things I've been critical of him over (I acknowledged I'd have liked to have seen a stronger Federal Covid response) - and I've agreed that if the left actually critiqued Trump fairly, it would be far more effective

Would the republican party of the 90's let a cretin like Trump lead the party? I see your AOC and raise you a tayler-green

No, he was tied to the Democrats back then (which should tell you a few interesting things...)

MTG - Okay, some of the things she says are quite spicy, verging into Alex Jones' territory, definitely unpleasant. Calling School Shootings as 'Fake' is very high up there in my list of reprehensible actions.

But there's one key difference. For all the mean and nasty things MTG says, she doesn't want to destroy the US and replace it with a Communist 'Utopia' (AKA Hell-Hole).

If you are a Politician in this day and age and you can promote Socialism or any other theory that has it's roots in Marxism - you are either Historically ignorant to the point that you should be disallowed from running for Office on principle or you are Malevolent.

Bum notes that saw him lose the house, lose the senate and lose the presidency

News flash - He already has been got rid off - all it took was a free and fair election and woosh, down the dunny he went :grin:
Sure he can run in 24 (and I hope he does, never get sick of seeing him lose), but then he has lost a lot of votes already by defrauding thousands upon thousands of his donors. Build something, then burn it down with incompetency - the trump way

And yet we are still talking about him, he is still holding Political events - which people are still attending. So I'm not sure you can say he's gotten Rid of.

Looks like the New York DA lot have opted for a slow painful death by 1000 cuts - I approve, and look forward to Trump receiving many turds in his morning cornflakes in the coming months and years.

I cannot approve blatant abuse of the Justice System to serve a political goal.

Again, nothing says 'Free and Fair' like Censuring your opponent and colluding with the Justice System to vindictively investigate someone.

[TheDemonLord]

All of his crank Covid cures, inject them with bleach, strong light kills it. Some redneck states buying up massive quantities of chloroquin on his say so and with which they are now stuck. Who knows but with global warming the anopheles mosquito might make itself at home there, then they'll need it

We've covered the Bleach comment - which was a spitball idea, very clear when you read the full quote.

UV Light: Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation - it's a thing, so it's not crazy to say 'hey this works on some instances, maybe it will work with Covid'

Chloroquin: Doesn't appear to have any significant side effects, so why not try it? If it works (even if only a Placebo) what's the harm?

[sugilite:Me]

If you take the proponents of Mask wearing at their word, they are about Health and Safety. My position is that what they have become to certain people is a symbol of piety. Which is why it's perfectly logical to wear a Mask riding a bike without a helmet. It's not about Health or about Safety, it's about showing allegiance to certain tribe.

They have become that way due to a certain irresponsible thank god ex president saying things like, the CDC are recommending masks, but I don't think I'll be wearing one. Queue easily manipulated trumpbots to start another front on the we hate dems war. Your guy is the one that is a very large part of starting that bullshit so he could sow some more division. Only the dumb fell for it - your continued posts down this line are duly noted And as for the cyclist, you do not know hios name, occupation or the slightest thing about him other than he wore a mask on a bicycle. All you are doing is projecting your frailties and fringe right wing insecurities onto the poor guy.

Sure, he has Money and a Position - why are people not following the likes of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos in the same manner then? It has nothing to do with Money or Power and everything to do with the ideals that his is putting forth.

You mean the ideals of fleecing ones own supporters. See he has started a never going to win class action against social media (guess it is easier than building his own as he has found out) and boom his first action is to call out to his supporters for donations to put in to his latest scam. Dumbarses will fall for it and say how it is his right to bring such an action. I know you will defend him on it, as is your way. nothing odd about a claimed billionaire begging and stealing peoples money, according to you, it's all good.

Trump's would likely be longer, Biden's would likely be more serious.

I've watched gaffes videos of both Biden and Trump. You may want to do the same before posting much more on this, since there is clear indisputable evidence in this instance, not bull shitty show me the emails dribble you can hide behind.

We've covered the Bleach comment - which was a spitball idea, very clear when you read the full quote.

Apart from the whincing cringing doctor behind him. Drinking bleach is hardly something someone yet alone a president should be spitballing

Chloroquin: Doesn't appear to have any significant side effects, so why not try it? If it works (even if only a Placebo) what's the harm?

Yes, based on your words, we can expect to see medical warning stickers say something like "Does not seem to have side effects, may work like a placebo - not designed for your intended use, but hey just give it a go".
Can you not see how absurd your boundless defense of Trump is making you look?

[pritch]

More probems for Rudy Giuliani. An appeals court in Washington DC has temporarliy suspended his licence to practice law in DC. This follows a similar decision in New York.

[pritch]

Donald Trump has announced that he is talking a class action against Twitter, Facebook and Google (who own Youtube) under the First Amendment to the US Constitution for "censoring him". Interesting because it's not a class action, and the !st Amendment has no relevance to companies. The 1st Amendment applies to the government.

This "legal action" has been described by lawyers as idiotic. Probably more serious is the fund raising to finance this fools errand.
With Trump there's always a grift, always a con, but fools will fall over each other to be parted from their money.

[husaberg]

Donald Trump has announced that he is talking a class action against Twitter, Facebook and Google (who own Youtube) under the First Amendment to the US Constitution for "censoring him". Interesting because it's not a class action, and the !st Amendment has no relevance to companies. The 1st Amendment applies to the government.

This "legal action" has been described by lawyers as idiotic. Probably more serious is the fund raising to finance this fools errand.
With Trump there's always a grift, always a con, but fools will fall over each other to be parted from their money.

Especially given as they have private ownership they are entitled to uphold their own rules.......
not to mention Facebook's independent oversight board ruling they were within their rights
That independent board is made up mostly of professors lawyers and free speach advocates from around the world.

The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. It applies to federal, state, and local government actors. This is a broad category that includes not only lawmakers and elected officials, but also public schools and universities, courts, and police officers. It does not include private citizens, businesses, and organizations. This means that:

A private school can suspend students for criticizing a school policy;
A private business can fire an employee for expressing political views on the job; and
A private media company can refuse to publish or broadcast opinions it disagrees with.

Free Speech and the Regulation of
Social Media Content
As the Supreme Court has recognized, social media sites like Facebook and Twitter have become important venues for users to exercise free speech rights protected under the First Amendment.
Commentators and legislators, however, have questioned whether these social media platforms are living up to their reputation as digital public forums. Some have expressed concern that these
sites are not doing enough to counter violent or false speech. At the same time, many argue that the platforms are unfairly banning and restricting access to potentially valuable speech.
Currently, federal law does not offer much recourse for social media users who seek to challenge a social media provider’s decision about whether and how to present a user’s content. Lawsuits predicated on these sites’ decisions to host or remove content have been largely unsuccessful, facing at least two significant barriers under existing federal law. First, while
individuals have sometimes alleged that these companies violated their free speech rights by discriminating against users’ content, courts have held that the First Amendment, which provides protection against state action, is not implicated by the actions of these private companies. Second, courts have concluded that many non-constitutional claims are barred by Section
230 of the Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C. § 230, which provides immunity to providers of interactive computer services, including social media providers, both for certain decisions to host content created by others and for actions taken “voluntarily” and “in good faith” to restrict access to “objectionable” material.

Funny enough trump tried to censor the media as they wrote mean things about him.

Donald Trump has threatened to “strongly regulate” or close down social media platforms that do not meet his standards for ideological balance, a day after Twitter, for the first time, slapped a warning label on a pair of Trump tweets spreading lies about mail-in voting.

Trump in the past has made threats about media censorship that he did not then act on, and any attempt by the White House to shutter a media organization would encounter first amendment challenges in the courts. In 2018 a federal judge ruled the president could not block people on Twitter, because it violates their first amendment rights to participate in a “public forum”.

[Laava]

Yes, based on your words, we can expect to see medical warning stickers say something like "Does not seem to have side effects, may work like a placebo - not designed for your intended use, but hey just give it a go".
Can you not see how absurd your boundless defense of Trump is making you look?

Can you please stop quoting him, a lot of people have him on ignore for a very good reason!😀😀😀

[sugilite:Me]

Can you please stop quoting him, a lot of people have him on ignore for a very good reason!😀😀😀

Ok. fair enough - I just deleted the start of my reply to him I guess it is a waste of time sparring with someone that can back flip the exact same scenario multiple times in order to suit which point he happens to be peddling at that minute

[F5 Dave]

Yeah it gets tedious. He probably tells his mates hes baiting internet dudes by saying dumb shit, and I don't believe he can be that dumb. Hes making it up.

[pritch]

Especially given as they have private ownership they are entitled to uphold their own rules.......

Not to mention that he is taking his farce to a court in southern Florida. The varous firms he's sueing have legal arrangements tieing them to courts in different jurisdictions. This will all be grist to the mill for the lawyers. As long as Trump's lawyers understand they are working pro bono, but he won't have told them that. Yet.

[FJRider]

More like Time, We finished a massive work project on the 30th of June - so busy playing catch up.

Me ... I'm taking a week off work. I work every second week and get paid for BOTH weeks. I was told you were a fat useless cunt ...

But obviously ... by your own words ... not lazy ...

You can call what I write Tripe/Bullshit/Nonsense till the cows come home, you may have 'called me out on it' - but I don't mind, you are entitled to have you opinion of me, as you say - I post, you read it - what you choose to do with it is up to you.

What you read in my posts is entirely my opinion. As is my right to post. I just like to argue your opinions ...

However in this specific instance - I'm not asking anyone to read what I am saying, I'm suggesting they read what the Authors and Philosophers of that idea are saying.

Perhaps you should consider ... that the majority of those in the coloured races that are speaking out ... have a large portion of White DNA in their heritage. I personally know a few claiming Maori heritage ... with the only thing that would suggest that was true ... was because their surname was Brown ...

I mean, I could go on - but in those 4 we have:

You do go on ... and on ... and on ... and on ...

1: ...

2: ...

3: ...

4: ...

5: ...

I rest my case ...

That's the actions of a Racist ...

The action (singular) of a racist is to see colour ... not a person. As is the action of mentioning a Race ... not as a country.

So I say again, you want to dismiss what I say as Bullshit - Be my Guest, but don't dismiss what the academics are saying, it might shock you.

And I say again ... BULLSHIT .. !!! ...

My position is that what they have become to certain people is a symbol of piety.

Somehow ... you have gone from ...

My attack was that Mask Wearing became a sign of religious Piety.

to ...

they have become to certain people ... etc

It's good to see you are steadfast in your beliefs (and statements) ...

Is it? I can think of many laws throughout history where time has show that non-compliance was absolutely the right thing to do.

So can I ... wars were started over less. But in the current situation ... is it ... "the right or wrong thing to do" ...

Sure, he has Money and a Position - why are people not following the likes of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos in the same manner then? It has nothing to do with Money or Power and everything to do with the ideals that his is putting forth.

You might not recall Bill Gates inciting the rabble to riot ... probably because ... he never did ...

No one should be getting Murdered, that's kinda the point, when Policies that were implemented to appeal to an ideological viewpoint have results in a sharp increase in the number of Deaths (and ironically amongst the population the Policy was designed to 'protect'), then that says quite a bit.

In case you haven't noticed ... it's not a perfect world. The old ... "If it doesn't affect me or my family ... I'm not worried about it" ...

Trump's would likely be longer, Biden's would likely be more serious.

Trump telling people that injecting bleach would be a way of fighting the virus ... and that (by your quote) Biden's gaff's are "Likely" more serious ... ???

Go figure ...

[husaberg]

[TheDemonLord]

They have become that way due to a certain irresponsible thank god ex president saying things like, the CDC are recommending masks, but I don't think I'll be wearing one. Queue easily manipulated trumpbots to start another front on the we hate dems war. Your guy is the one that is a very large part of starting that bullshit so he could sow some more division. Only the dumb fell for it - your continued posts down this line are duly noted And as for the cyclist, you do not know hios name, occupation or the slightest thing about him other than he wore a mask on a bicycle. All you are doing is projecting your frailties and fringe right wing insecurities onto the poor guy.

What started it was the 'Don't wear a mask' then 'Wear a mask' then 'We compel you wear a mask' - It's the Compulsion that spurred the resistance. And when the opposition doubled down on Mask wearing, it became a clear sign of Piety.

In regards to the Cyclist - You're attempts to whataboutism fall flat - for two reasons:

1: He had enough Emblems on his bag for us to know his various political positions
2: I can point to other clearly absurd instances of Mask Wearing:



Clearly, because of how a Woodwind instrument works and the fact that the Mask has a hole in it - it's not performing the function, so why the Mask? I could accept wearing a mask to the performance, taking it off during, then putting it back on - but instead we have a mask with a Zip.

The wearing of the Mask in this case is not of any practical use, but instead symbolic of ones virtue 'See, I'm still wearing my Mask, what a good person I am'

You mean the ideals of fleecing ones own supporters. See he has started a never going to win class action against social media (guess it is easier than building his own as he has found out) and boom his first action is to call out to his supporters for donations to put in to his latest scam. Dumbarses will fall for it and say how it is his right to bring such an action. I know you will defend him on it, as is your way. nothing odd about a claimed billionaire begging and stealing peoples money, according to you, it's all good.

Fleecing Supporters? Should I bring up the BLM founders who left the movement after they bought multiple, Million Dollar properties in White, Gated communities? At least the Money that Trump is collecting is going towards what he says it is, doomed to fail (in your opinion) or otherwise.

In terms of the Class action, I don't think he will win, but I think it will be a very interesting case to watch.

I've watched gaffes videos of both Biden and Trump. You may want to do the same before posting much more on this, since there is clear indisputable evidence in this instance, not bull shitty show me the emails dribble you can hide behind.

Oh really? See, if I was to treat all of Biden's Gaffes, the same way that the Media treats 'Trump Gaffes': That is removing what was said from all forms of Context and taking the exact words literally, without any consideration of what the actual message is - Like mocking him for saying Airport instead of Port....

All I would have to do is post this Biden quote:

We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

Job done, case proven (by the standards that you hold Trump to) etc. etc.

But I don't. Because I, as a native English speaker, am happy to accept that Biden (given the context of the Speech) meant to say 'Anti-Fraud' or similar in the speech. And there are a lot more of Biden's 'Gaffes' that I don't bring up because they are clearly slips of the Tongue or off-hand comments. The same way that almost all of the Trump 'Gaffes' you would raise are. Yet when I do it for Trump (take the words in their context, with the intended meaning), All I get is 'Free Pass for Trump'. So, if you want me to hold Trump to the standard that you and the media do - fine, but I'll be holding Biden to that same standard and as above - He's just admitted Voter fraud (if you don't give 'A Free pass for Biden') - I'll let you decide on which standard you want to adhere to.

Getting back to the quote that sparked this however - Butchering one of the Maxims upon which your country is built on, I can't excuse as a mere slip of the Tongue. Not knowing the historical context of one of the foundational tenants of the Bill of Rights, I can't excuse that.

Apart from the whincing cringing doctor behind him. Drinking bleach is hardly something someone yet alone a president should be spitballing

I've said it was bad, but the comment of 'Could we use Bleach to kill it'? became 'TRUMP WANTS YOU TO INJECT BLEACH!' - 2 wildly different realities. I've said it was a dumb comment before, but I also said that in the context of the conversation it was neither a directive nor a serious policy suggestion.

Yes, based on your words, we can expect to see medical warning stickers say something like "Does not seem to have side effects, may work like a placebo - not designed for your intended use, but hey just give it a go".
Can you not see how absurd your boundless defense of Trump is making you look?

You should read a little of the History of Medicines.

'Does not seem to have any bad Side Effects, May work as a Placebo, Not designed for your intended use, but hey give it a go' has been the genesis of many Prescription and other Medicines.

Viagra as one particular instance - was intended originally to be used for Chest pain.

The clinical trails however showed "Does not seem to have any bad Side Effects, May work as a Placebo, Not designed for your intended use, but hey give it a go" - And Millions since have indeed been 'giving it a go'.

Or if you prefer, you can look at the history of HIV/AIDS treatments in the late 80s/early 90s - where eventually the FDA allowed people to take drugs that they hadn't approved on the basis of
'Does not seem to have any bad Side Effects, May work as a Placebo, Not designed for your intended use, but hey give it a go'

[TheDemonLord]

Especially given as they have private ownership they are entitled to uphold their own rules.......
not to mention Facebook's independent oversight board ruling they were within their rights
That independent board is made up mostly of professors lawyers and free speach advocates from around the world.

Funny enough trump tried to censor the media as they wrote mean things about him.

Yeah... Hold up a sec there bud:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...-public-places

But it may be that in some instances private property is so functionally akin to public property that private owners may not forbid expression upon it.

This is the argument that Trump will be making, that Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, although private are functionally akin to Public property (and the fact you can see a Facebook, YouTube or Twitter page without an account is going to go a long way towards that argument) and therefore in accordance with Marsh V Alabama fall under the protection of the First Amendment.

[TheDemonLord]

Me ... I'm taking a week off work. I work every second week and get paid for BOTH weeks. I was told you were a fat useless cunt ...

But obviously ... by your own words ... not lazy ...

Well, you keep replying, so obviously I am of some use...

What you read in my posts is entirely my opinion. As is my right to post. I just like to argue your opinions ...

Of course, and I welcome that you express your opinion, my track record on always being on the side of free speech on this forum is well documented.

Perhaps you should consider ... that the majority of those in the coloured races that are speaking out ... have a large portion of White DNA in their heritage. I personally know a few claiming Maori heritage ... with the only thing that would suggest that was true ... was because their surname was Brown ...

You do go on ... and on ... and on ... and on ...

I rest my case ...

The action (singular) of a racist is to see colour ... not a person. As is the action of mentioning a Race ... not as a country.

And I say again ... BULLSHIT .. !!! ...

I'm going to ask you a series of questions in this regard:

1: Do you accept that what I posted was from the Academic Sources of this Movement and not some 'Right Wing conspiracy' as you put it?
2: Do you find those Quotes to be inherently racist?
3: Regardless of what my opinion is or whether you believe my interpretation - if you agree with questions 1 and 2 - are you prepared to accept that there is something very rotten with this theory?

Somehow ... you have gone from ...

to ...

It's good to see you are steadfast in your beliefs (and statements) ...

Those are one and the same thing. A Certain group decided that wearing a Mask was a virtuous act and so the wearing of it became a pious act of Virtue. The criticism of public displays of 'Virtue' go all the way back to the Bible:

Be careful not to do your `acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men.

So can I ... wars were started over less. But in the current situation ... is it ... "the right or wrong thing to do" ...

If you accept the British Liberal framework that underpins our Society - then the answer is obvious.

The sad part is people like to choose the bits of that Framework that are convenient and ignore the bits they don't like, without appreciating that all of them need to work in unison.

You might not recall Bill Gates inciting the rabble to riot ... probably because ... he never did ...

There are certainly other Billionaires who have been funding groups that have done quite a lot or Rioting in recent times - with a much higher Body Count....

In case you haven't noticed ... it's not a perfect world. The old ... "If it doesn't affect me or my family ... I'm not worried about it" ...

"When they came for the Communists, I did not speak out because I was not a Communist
When they came for the Gypsies, I did not speak out because I was not a Gypsy
When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out because I was not a Jew
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out"

Edit:

Also - if you think it won't be affecting your Family - the only reason you know about this is because parents noticed the consequences of this were being taught to their Children.

Trump telling people that injecting bleach would be a way of fighting the virus ... and that (by your quote) Biden's gaff's are "Likely" more serious ... ???

Go figure ...

As above - if you want me to apply the standard of interpretation you are applying to Trump, then I get to point to the Biden quote and say he admitted Voter Fraud.

Pick the standard....