Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

What started it was the 'Don't wear a mask' then 'Wear a mask' then 'We compel you wear a mask' - It's the Compulsion that spurred the resistance. And when the opposition doubled down on Mask wearing, it became a clear sign of Piety.

My mistake, I thought I'd see if TDL has improved. The first sentence is completely absurd so I didn't need to read anymore.

It will be a waste of time to explain, but I'll try.

Initially there were not even enough masks for hospital staff, so the recommendation to the public was no masks.

When sufficient masks became available the public was told to wear masks.

The politicisation of Covid and masks was 100% Trump. He had a little help from Jared, his son in law, who advised him that since the dsease appeared first in cities it was a Democrat problem, therefore not a worry for the government. If Trump acted on that though, he is responsible. Nobody else.

The compulsion didn't do anything. The MAGATs were following their leader regardless. That left wingers may be seen wearing masks and right wingers not, might well be a sign of the relative sanity of the two groups rather than piety.

[F5 Dave]

You only had to see the rush on toilet paper to understand the mask supply issues.

But don't worry. Covid is just going to go away said the Don.

[TheDemonLord]

My mistake, I thought I'd see if TDL has improved. The first sentence is completely absurd so I didn't need to read anymore.

It will be a waste of time to explain, but I'll try.

Initially there were not even enough masks for hospital staff, so the recommendation to the public was no masks.

"Don't do this"

then moments later "You absolutely Must do this" - and you wonder why some people may not trust the advice? Regardless of the Justification.

The politicisation of Covid and masks was 100% Trump. He had a little help from Jared, his son in law, who advised him that since the dsease appeared first in cities it was a Democrat problem, therefore not a worry for the government. If Trump acted on that though, he is responsible. Nobody else.

Then how do you explain the opposition to Lockdowns, Mask orders, Gathering limitations outside of America if it's 100% Trump?

The answer is that there is a Libertarian opposition to arbitrary rules That in several cases did not have the backing of Legislation.

That left wingers may be seen wearing masks and right wingers not, might well be a sign of the relative sanity of the two groups rather than piety.

So, how do you explain the Left-Wing narrative that the Wuhan Virus Lab was a 'Right Wing conspiracy'? Remember, it got you banned from Social Media for spreading 'False information'?

If the supposedly 'sane' group dismisses something to the point of censuring it, which later comes out that it is very plausible, what does that say about their perception of Reality?

[pritch]

"Don't do this" then moments later "You absolutely Must do this" - and you wonder why some people may not trust the advice? Regardless of the Justification.

Moments later? It was more like months. Anybody with an IQ over room temperature should have been able to follow what was happening.

Then how do you explain the opposition to Lockdowns, Mask orders, Gathering limitations outside of America if it's 100% Trump?

Monkey see monkey do.

Take for example Billy Te Kahika who gathered together every halfwit conspiracy theory he could find and made them "policy" for the last election. He didn't get much of his nonsense from this country.

So, how do you explain the Left-Wing narrative that the Wuhan Virus Lab was a 'Right Wing conspiracy'? Remember, it got you banned from Social Media for spreading 'False information'

Nothing wrong with that. It's almost as if you believe the virus started in a Wuhan lab. Nobody knows that yet. Not even you.

People were banned from social media for spreading harmful misinformation about the virus. That was a common sense precaution. It was not specific to the Wuhan lab, misinformation about treatments and causes were also reason for banning. Much of the misinformation started by Trump himself. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of that buffoon.
And you're OK with that?

[sugilite:Me]

Sure - which is why I ignore 95% of what Trump says, it's the 5% that isn't hyperbole that interests me.

Moments later? It was more like months. Much of the misinformation started by Trump himself. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of that buffoon.
And you're OK with that?

OK, this is likely to be pretty much the last time I quote TDL in order to respect the many that have him on ignore.
The reason I quoted this line is because I believe it gets to the crux of his TDS. TDL seems to have no problem with an (ex) president who spouts shit 95% of the time, and he also believes he can glean the remaining 5% balance left. He also seems to think that the average MAGAT can do the same - cough, cough the one utterance of the word peaceful for instance. So despite admitting 95 percent of Trumps rantings are Hyperbole (hy·per·bo·le - noun: hyperbole; exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally) he still finds ways to give trump free passes 95% of the time. And it all appears to be because trump triggers the left/socialist/commies that TDL is so fearful of. It is why TDL tried to make out that months was in fact "moments". As a result, TDL's posts emulate his heroes 95% ratio of hyperbole rubbish.

[husaberg]

Nothing wrong with that. It's almost as if you believe the virus started in a Wuhan lab. Nobody knows that yet. Not even you.

it would be the first time he claimed to have information that was likely in fact an outright lie.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131177693

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
, I would never ever EVER take a character reference for an individual, from someone who only knew them from an Internet Forum.

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how he was granted the ability to obtain the Firearms in the first place - Do you think an Internet Forum persona is an Acceptable Character Reference?

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His Referees were 2 people that had only known him from an Online Forum.

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The Chch Terrorist was not vetted properly by NZ Police (an online persona as a Character reference, what a Joke).

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Point of Order - 'Vetting' where he used Referees that only knew him from a Web Forum, and the Trans-Tasman checks are still not a thing..

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In case you missed it, tomorrow, someone could come from Aus, be a member of numerous hate groups online, use a Referree from who only knows them from an online Forum, get issued a FAL, purchase a Rifle and go shoot innocent people.

Royal commission
Did gaming friend know the individual?

Gaming friend had indeed “known” the individual for ten years, but the relationship was primarily online. They had been in the physical presence of the individual for approximately 21 days during the individual’s 2013 trip to New Zealand and on his return to New Zealand in August 2017.

The notes of the interview between gaming friend and the Waikato Vetting Officer set out a question “Do you know of any reason whatsoever as to why Police should refuse a firearms licence to the applicant?” and records the response as “No reasons known”.

Gaming friend was well aware of the individual’s extremist political opinions and that he was racist and Islamophobic. But they said nothing of this to the Waikato Vetting Officer. Their “no reasons known” response indicates that they saw them as not being relevant to whether the individual should be granted a firearms licence.

TLDR keyboard would likely spontaneously combust if he ever admitted he posted those lies.
watch how he will narcissistically minimize obfuscate and twist the lies instead of simply saying...... "shit i got that wrong."
Same as he does for trump.

[FJRider]

Well, you keep replying, so obviously I am of some use...

Some use ... little use ... same thing ...

Of course, and I welcome that you express your opinion, my track record on always being on the side of free speech on this forum is well documented.

The only way your bullshit would be worth anything ... would be if you could spread it on the garden ...

I'm going to ask you a series of questions in this regard:

1: Do you accept that what I posted was from the Academic Sources of this Movement and not some 'Right Wing conspiracy' as you put it?
2: Do you find those Quotes to be inherently racist?
3: Regardless of what my opinion is or whether you believe my interpretation - if you agree with questions 1 and 2 - are you prepared to accept that there is something very rotten with this theory?

1. Anything you post with a "Conspiracy" label is bullshit. Just believing in conspiracy theories and being suspicious about the actions of others is in some ways ... quite an adaptive thing to do. I know we don't necessarily want to trust everybody ... or trust everything that's happening around us. And so they (conspiracy theories) have always been with us. And to some extent ... I guess you could call everybody a conspiracy theorist. If you want to use that term at one point or another.

2. Anything that is said/written on the subject of race, with the mention against any (other ??) race ... or even promoting their own race ... is ... in itself racist.

3. That might entail agreeing with you. I have principals ...

Those are one and the same thing.

Actually ... everybody has their own reasons for wearing a mask.

Some don't wear a mask ... for the very reasons some do wear a mask for. Because they feel its the right thing to do.

Reasoning it as piety ... is an display of piety in itself.

Do you wear a mask .. ??

If you accept the British Liberal framework that underpins our Society - then the answer is obvious.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed ...

The sad part is people like to choose the bits of that Framework that are convenient and ignore the bits they don't like, without appreciating that all of them need to work in unison.

And if what you ignore ... does not affect anybody else ... all well and good. But it doesn't always work out that way.

There are certainly other Billionaires who have been funding groups that have done quite a lot or Rioting in recent times - with a much higher Body Count....

How many of them were presidents of the US of A and were actively supporting the riots .. ??

"When they came for the Communists, I did not speak out because I was not a Communist
When they came for the Gypsies, I did not speak out because I was not a Gypsy
When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out because I was not a Jew
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out"

I am neither Communist ... Gypsy or jew. Nor do I see their total extinction anytime soon.

Edit:

Also - if you think it won't be affecting your Family - the only reason you know about this is because parents noticed the consequences of this were being taught to their Children.

Look at the stories being told to NZ Parents in this day and age. The lies haven't stopped yet.

Pick the standard....

Pick the stopping point for the comparisons ... you point your finger ... and another will point back.

[pritch]

Y'all will be familiar with Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York, lawyer for Donald Trump. Well he may be ex lawyer for Donald Trump as Trump refuses to pay Giuliani for his work. This should not have come as a surprise to Rudy, Trump is famous for not paying his bills.

Rudy needs big bucks for his rapidly multiplying legal problems, all of which were incurred in the service of Trump. He has started a "go Fund Me" to raise five million dollars. Good luck with that Rudy. The cult members know that you are on the outer with their orange God so they too will ignore you. The Go Fund me is currently a bit short of the five million, as at today it's yet to make $10,000.

[husaberg]

[F5 Dave]

Y'all will be familiar with Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York, lawyer for Donald Trump. Well he may be ex lawyer for Donald Trump as Trump refuses to pay Giuliani for his work. This should not have come as a surprise to Rudy, Trump is famous for not paying his bills.

Rudy needs big bucks for his rapidly multiplying legal problems, all of which were incurred in the service of Trump. He has started a "go Fund Me" to raise five million dollars. Good luck with that Rudy. The cult members know that you are on the outer with their orange God so they too will ignore you. The Go Fund me is currently a bit short of the five million, as at today it's yet to make $10,000.

Go What? Me?

I think he did.

[R650R]

"Don't do this"

then moments later "You absolutely Must do this" - and you wonder why some people may not trust the advice? Regardless of the Justification.



Then how do you explain the opposition to Lockdowns, Mask orders, Gathering limitations outside of America if it's 100% Trump?

The answer is that there is a Libertarian opposition to arbitrary rules That in several cases did not have the backing of Legislation.



So, how do you explain the Left-Wing narrative that the Wuhan Virus Lab was a 'Right Wing conspiracy'? Remember, it got you banned from Social Media for spreading 'False information'?

If the supposedly 'sane' group dismisses something to the point of censuring it, which later comes out that it is very plausible, what does that say about their perception of Reality?

Interesting..., meanwhile

[pritch]

Interesting..., meanwhile

Watching Murdoch rubbish will rot your brain.

[husaberg]

Watching Murdoch rubbish will rot your brain.

That's the interesting thing about Trumps lawsuit because if it successful his old mates at SKY and Fox will have to allow equal time for the democratic view points......

Former President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday sued three tech giants — Facebook, Twitter and Google — and the firms’ chief executives after the platforms took various steps to ban him or block him from posting.
Mr. Trump, , arguing that he has been censored wrongfully by the tech companies. Speaking about “freedom of speech” and the First Amendment — which applies to the government, not to private-sector companies

At the event and in court documents, Mr. Trump’s legal team argued that the tech firms amounted to state actors and thus the First Amendment applied to them.

Legal experts said similar arguments had repeatedly failed in the courts before.

“Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t work for the government, Jack Dorsey doesn’t work for the government,” Eric Goldman, a law professor at Santa Clara University School of Law and a co-director of the High Tech Law Institute, said of the Facebook and Twitter chief executives. “The idea that somehow, magically, we can treat them as an extension of the government is illogical.”

[TheDemonLord]

Moments later? It was more like months. Anybody with an IQ over room temperature should have been able to follow what was happening.

It's not the length of time that passes that is the issue here.

Monkey see monkey do.

Take for example Billy Te Kahika who gathered together every halfwit conspiracy theory he could find and made them "policy" for the last election. He didn't get much of his nonsense from this country.

I don't know who Billy Te Kahika is - nor do I care, the point you are trying to avoid is that there are a series of Libertarian principles (which don't need Trump to be applied) that one can reference to oppose what was mandated.

Nothing wrong with that. It's almost as if you believe the virus started in a Wuhan lab. Nobody knows that yet. Not even you.

People were banned from social media for spreading harmful misinformation about the virus. That was a common sense precaution. It was not specific to the Wuhan lab, misinformation about treatments and causes were also reason for banning. Much of the misinformation started by Trump himself. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of that buffoon.
And you're OK with that?

There's much to dissect in here.

Let me first be crystal clear - I do not have a horse in the race of 'Did it or didn't it start in the Wuhan lab' - It's not an argument I've championed.

My issue is entirely with the Censorship of the theory.

If we wind the clock back to when the theory started - On the face of it, the Theory is plausible - that is, you have a Bioresearch Lab, that specializes in the Type of Virus that was released, in the city that can be considered 'Ground Zero'. Based on the circumstantial theory, it's entirely possible that it could have originated from there.

Facebook, Twitter et al decided however that this reasonable theory (and I'll not accept the attempt to lump it in with an argument about censoring Treatment misinformation, since one could be banned for JUST talking about the Wuhan Virus lab without talking about alternative Treatments) was grounds for a Ban. In conjunction, you had a myriad of 'experts' come forward and ridicule this Theory (after Trump had publicized it).

Are you OK with Corporations censoring Plausible theories?

Subsequently, after the Regime change - and Saint Biden had blessed the theory as now being good - all those same 'experts' have come out and reversed their tune (and said they were encourage to lie, at the behest of certain interest groups).

Are you OK with experts lying, so as to justify Censorship?

You asked me if I'm OK with Hundreds of Thousands of people Dead?

Let me be brutally frank:

I'd rather hundreds of thousands of people died of their own Free will and free access to information than Censorship.

Because when the Government and Corporations in concert with each other decide to censor the Truth, Millions of Bodies aren't too far away.

[TheDemonLord]

OK, this is likely to be pretty much the last time I quote TDL in order to respect the many that have him on ignore.

Far be it from me to say what you should or shouldn't do, but it seems to me that coming into a Trump thread and complaining you see people quoting me is akin to walking through a swamp and complaining your boots got muddy....

It's not like I'm shy about my affiliations or my love of arguing....
The reason I quoted this line is because I believe it gets to the crux of his TDS. TDL seems to have no problem with an (ex) president who spouts shit 95% of the time, and he also believes he can glean the remaining 5% balance left. He also seems to think that the average MAGAT can do the same - cough, cough the one utterance of the word peaceful for instance.

I asked you if I should set the same standard for Biden (and revoke all of his 'Free passes') that yourself and the Media set for Trump.

I firstly find it curious that you have declined to answer this challenge. I'll posit that you know that the '95% shit' that you refer to is just that...

And if I was to apply the same literal interpretation to the '95% shit' that Biden says, it comes out looking just as (if not more so) bad than Trump.

In terms of gleaning the 5% that's good - I don't make any claims as to what the average 'MAGAT' does or doesn't think - I personally believe that on balance - within both the Republican and Democrat voter bases, there are the same approximate percentage of people that believe each camps blatant lies. Such is the nature of partisan politics.

When it comes to the 'One utterance' - it's not a statement that is open for interpretation, no trumpian hyperbole or other such understanding of the English Language required.

So despite admitting 95 percent of Trumps rantings are Hyperbole (hy·per·bo·le - noun: hyperbole; exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally) he still finds ways to give trump free passes 95% of the time.

He's a politician and a businessman - of course I take a large grain of salt with everything he says....

And it all appears to be because trump triggers the left/socialist/commies that TDL is so fearful of. It is why TDL tried to make out that months was in fact "moments". As a result, TDL's posts emulate his heroes 95% ratio of hyperbole rubbish.

Okay, let me try a different tack.

Pritch has already given us the Left-wing Apologia for Critical Race Theory in this thread (I believe referring to it as RWNJ Conspiracy theory).

I want to remind you that Trump banned the usage of CRT in government institutions and that Biden reversed said ban.

I now want to refer you to this Post:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131188250

Specifically the section where I outline 4 different quotes about CRT. From the Academics who study and promote this theory.

And I'm going to ask this - put aside all the things about Trump that I may or may not believe, put aside all the claims of Marxist infiltration that I've made:

When you read those quotes - What is your reaction? Do you find it good and noble or do you recoil from the words as those of absolute Racists?

From there it is more a question of you asking yourself - which group supports this and which opposes it.