Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

By Whom?

Is it Hood Wearing White Supremecists?
Or is it people of a somewhat darker disposition?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...hem-is-rising/

[sugilite:Me]

Is that a System issue or a problem with individual Judges?

And here's the Rub - if you can show me a Judge who has routinely shown bias against Defendants of a Certain Ethnicity, I'll be more than happy to join in the calls for them to Resign.

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your ill informed rhetoric of no systemic racism rolling along

[F5 Dave]

Don't worry R666 will be along soon to reinforce it , along with a chorus of "Poor little white boy me" as evidence.

[husaberg]

[R650R]

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your....... o]

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?

[george formby]

Ima gonna report Husaberg for hurting my eyes.

[husaberg]

Ima gonna report Husaberg for hurting my eyes.

I read a report the other day that showed Trump has statistically the ugliest voters and supporters ever.

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?

PS you really should not ask for stats R101R they make your augments look like the pulled out of your ass excrement that they are.

Our research shows that blacks comprise 62.7 percent and whites 36.7 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prison, even though federal surveys and other data detailed in this report show clearly that this racial disparity bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending. There are, for example, five times more white drug users than black. Relative to population, black men are admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men. In large part because of the extraordinary racial disparities in incarceration for drug offenses, blacks are incarcerated for all offenses at 8.2 times the rate of whites. One in every 20 black men over the age of 18 in the United States is in state or federal prison, compared to one in 180 white men.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/pu...state-prisons/
https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp...-Ethnicity.pdf
https://www.jewishpublicaffairs.org/...ngton-Post.pdf
https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/...45&context=flr

[george formby]

Pertinent to the stats being bandied about.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...my-vet-fbi-kkk

[F5 Dave]

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?

Pop quiz.

What does it say about your prejudice that you expect the same from others?.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...hem-is-rising/

Interesting Article - but the thing it doesn't mention is that the although the majority is perpetrated by White People (70% IIRC), the rest was perpetrated by Black People, considering that Black people are ~12% of the population - that means the rate at which Black People are abusing Asians is double that of White People.

Now, I'm not excusing any Racism, it's all bad - but if the Claim is that Trump is the reason, one would expect that the majority of perpetrators would be the average Trump supporter...

And yet.. The Pew Research (with it's small sample size) does not mention the racial breakdown of the perpetrators once.

We might further infer that were it the case that MAGA hat Wearing people were going around committing Hate Crimes (Just like Jussie Smollet...), that it would be front page news... and so the abscence of the 'Who' that's doing it is suspicious...

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your ill informed rhetoric of no systemic racism rolling along

Before I do a Rebuttal - I want to make an observation - you may not realise this, but you are essentially making the Marxist Tabula Rasa argument: All People are born equal, therefore any difference in outcomes must be due to societal effects e.g. discrimination. I point this out to highlight just how deeply inbedded into the culture this sort of thinking has gone. Obviously, I don't believe all people are born equal - a look at say the 100m Sprint over the course of my Lifetime should be grounds enough to say that for some things, there are Genetic factors. Genetic factors doesn't mean we can't be treated equally before the law (obviously)... But the form of the Argument is:

X and Y are roughly equal, yet X has a different outcome than Y, therefore discrimination. There's variants of it such as 'Women only make up X percent of Industry, therefore discrimination', however when we go past the univariate analysis, almost always, there are other factors - and we end up with a form of 'God of the Gaps' e.g. 'Yes we've proved these factors account for this percentage, but there's a missing percentage and therefore Racism/Sexism/Discrimination.'

Observation over now the for rest:

I've heard this claim before or variants of it (2.7 times more likely) - and on the face of it, it's a very interesting statistic.

First question first - Are these Crimes being committed? I know it's an obvious question, but if people are doing the crimes...

So then we have to ask when and where are people consuming Drugs - and this is where it gets very interesting:

https://archives.drugabuse.gov/sites...rities03_1.pdf

It's a big long read - but I want to reference page 51.

There's some interesting patterns - for all illegal drugs - we see a big spike around University Age 18-25 - no surprises there. But then look at the rate between Black/White as they get older - for example, with Cocaine - for the older age brackets - they are consuming it at nearly 3 times more than whites for 26-35 and nearly 4 times more for 35+.

So, getting back to your 10:1, if White people have a rate of drug use that's equivalent to black people, but over a significantly shorter period of time (mainly just confined to University), then that accounts for nearly half of your disparity. The other categories show similar (although not as pronounced) disparities across the age group.

Then we have to discuss some Tropes (because as unscientific as they are, Tropes exist because of a reason) - You've got the White Collar weekend warrior in a high paying job, goes out to a club gets shit faced - but with that exception, they pay their taxes, they keep their car licensed, insured and well-maintained, they are unlikely to engage in public violence.

Compare that to another trope - the Addict who either is in a Gang or has Gang connections - may or may not be gainfully employed, May have issues with their Car, may be in proximity to Violence etc.

This is where we have to discuss the other elephant in the room: Police go to where the Crime is visible. Let's pull one Statistic, despite being only 12% of the population, Black people are both responsible for and the victims of over half the murders in the US.

How many of those murders do you think had a Gang/Drug element to it?

And let's dig even further - Murder, unlike most Drug charges, is not a Crime where arrest is as a result of an Officer instigated action. That is to say, Police don't pull someone over for having a busted tail light and then Bang! there's a Murder. Normally it's a case of a Body is found or Shots are fired and then the Police come to investigate.

Is that the fault of the Justice System that Black people are killing each other at nearly 5 times than what their population should suggest? Is it Racist Police officers that are causing Black people to kill each other? Or Racist Judges?

So let's assume for the moment that the rates are the same, the combination of just 2 factors:

Length of Time of offending (mostly restricted to University vs longer exposure) and
Proximity to other sources of visible crime

- That explains almost all of the disparity in the Arrest/incarceration rates - no Racist system/judges/Police need apply.

I want to, however, take it one step further: I think there is one stat, above all, that explains why there's a disproportionate outcome: The rate of Fatherlessness in the African American community vs White people.

24% for Whites
64% for Blacks

The majority of Black kids don't have a Father. And what's worse - if there's a small number of kids without dads in a community where most of the kids have dads - the effects of Fatherlessness aren't as pronounced - however at 64%....

And what does Fatherlessness lead to: https://www.all4kids.org/news/blog/a...d-development/

Increased youth offending (85% of youth offenders have no Dad), higher rates of Drug use, Behavioral problems.

So, here's my theory (and feel free to disagree with it) - If Black Kids had Black Dads, they'd do less drugs and less crime. If they did less visible crime, the Police would go to the next most public sources of Crime (most likely Native Americans, based on the data) - then they would be free to do drugs at Uni, like all the Cool White Kids, without going to prison.

All without a single drop of Racism in the System.

Edit:

Just something to add - not only because it's a lovely heart warming story (and 'tis the season...) but to highlight what I'm talking about:



Before Dads - Mass Fights, multiple arrests of School kids
After Dads - Peace.

Now, if we accounted for and better yet, fixed. The other issues first and we found there was still a massive disparity - then yeah - maybe at that point we could investigate is it structurally racist - but Imma go out on a Limb here, we'd probably find the rates dropping to be closer to the makeup of society.

[husaberg]

[pritch]

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police?

White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Coupla things. Pick a photo of US Olympic sprinters, any photo taken since WW2 should do it. The photos would suggest the opposite. Most photos of US police don't suggest much ability as sprinters. Many would have zero chance of passing fitness or agility tests.

Oh, and anecdotally, white kids caught with drugs get told to go home. Black kids get locked up. Your doubts may be misplaced.


QUOTE=R650R;1131194939]Pop quiz.....
Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?
[/QUOTE]

The only suspected tinnie house I'm aware of was in a predominantly white neighbourhood, no state houses. No gangs, no turf wars, just a somewhat mob handed police raid one morning.

Lots of cars and the occasional bike would make brief visits, engine running. A woman was telling me her son, visiting from Australia, was convinced it was a tinnie house. I thought he'd know a bloody lot more about that than I would.

[sugilite:Me]

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

OK, so what is your explanation for that stat then?

And as for you TDL, You have truly outdone yourself to condone and sweep under the carpet the systemic racism in the USA. Well done.
PS, don't let the marxist boogie man get you. Your ability to bring that into near every conversation we have is to be applauded.

[FJRider]

Coupla things. Pick a photo of US Olympic sprinters, any photo taken since WW2 should do it. The photos would suggest the opposite. Most photos of US police don't suggest much ability as sprinters. Many would have zero chance of passing fitness or agility tests.

Those athletes quite possibly are using drugs ... just not the same ones that are available in the tinny houses.

Bullets fly faster than they can run. One round in a perp's leg slows them down. Fitness is overrated.

Oh, and anecdotally, white kids caught with drugs get told to go home. Black kids get locked up. Your doubts may be misplaced.

I lived in Queenstown in the "80's ... regular drug busts in some of the VERY high priced parts of town. And very much a white sort of town.

Only the minions were charged ... proof of whom was actually running it was never found. They knew ... just couldn't prove it.

Pop quiz.....
Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Whichever neighborhood that has people that have the money to buy ...

The only suspected tinnie house I'm aware of was in a predominantly white neighbourhood, no state houses. No gangs, no turf wars, just a somewhat mob handed police raid one morning.

Sometimes even the Police get lucky.

Lots of cars and the occasional bike would make brief visits, engine running. A woman was telling me her son, visiting from Australia, was convinced it was a tinnie house. I thought he'd know a bloody lot more about that than I would.

Hidden in plain sight. The best hiding place ever.

[Berries]

Honey I'm home.