Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

**nerrrd** · 25th June 2022, 11:18

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

SCOTUS 2, Leftists 0.

If only we had a court with such Balls.

I submit that not having balls does give you a completely different outlook on one of those two issues.

**husaberg** · 25th June 2022, 11:23

**TheDemonLord** · 25th June 2022, 11:39

Originally Posted by nerrrd

I submit that not having balls does give you a completely different outlook on one of those two issues.

I submit that the Leftists who so feverishly claim this have shot themselves in the foot.

**TheDemonLord** · 25th June 2022, 11:40

Originally Posted by husaberg

Pure refined Copium

And yet, life was better under Trump.

Hows that Inflation and Petrol costs doing for ya?

**pritch** · 25th June 2022, 12:57

For those who have the time, the coverage of the Jan 6 Commission is interesting.

One item of particular interest in the last day or so was the interview with Jeffrey Clark. He is the guy who Trump wanted to appoint to head the Department of Justice.
This despite the fact that he had no experience of criminal law at all. His background was in environmental law. His main qualification appears to be that he would permit Trump to use the DoJ to keep himself in the White House.

During his interview Clark claimed executive privilege. Fair enough, that exists so the the president and his cabinet can have frank discussions without worrying about the detail coming out later. There are a couple of exceptions though.

Clark having claimed executive privilege then invoked the fifth amendment. The right not to answer as that could incriminate him.

One of the aforementioned exceptions is that privilege cannot be claimed if criminal conduct is involved. Claiming the fifth is basically confirmation that criminal conduct is involved. Other lawyers have been delightedly pointing out that it's either or. You cannot claim privilege, then claim the fifth or vice versa. It's understandable that Clark's kmowledge of criminal law is lacking to that extent, but his lawyer can't be the sharpest tool in the shed.

Anyhoo, the FBI were interested in all of this, if eighteen months late, and they turned up mob handed at Clarks house with a search warrant and an electronic devices sniffing dog (who knew?). Three hours later they left with all of his electronic devices. There's only one thing to do after that.

Clark went of FOX and complained about NAZIs.

**TheDemonLord** · 25th June 2022, 13:29

Originally Posted by pritch

For those who have the time, the coverage of the Jan 6 Commission is interesting.

One item of particular interest in the last day or so was the interview with Jeffrey Clark. He is the guy who Trump wanted to appoint to head the Department of Justice.
This despite the fact that he had no experience of criminal law at all. His background was in environmental law. His main qualification appears to be that he would permit Trump to use the DoJ to keep himself in the White House.

During his interview Clark claimed executive privilege. Fair enough, that exists so the the president and his cabinet can have frank discussions without worrying about the detail coming out later. There are a couple of exceptions though.

Clark having claimed executive privilege then invoked the fifth amendment. The right not to answer as that could incriminate him.

One of the aforementioned exceptions is that privilege cannot be claimed if criminal conduct is involved. Claiming the fifth is basically confirmation that criminal conduct is involved. Other lawyers have been delightedly pointing out that it's either or. You cannot claim privilege, then claim the fifth or vice versa. It's understandable that Clark's kmowledge of criminal law is lacking to that extent, but his lawyer can't be the sharpest tool in the shed.

Anyhoo, the FBI were interested in all of this, if eighteen months late, and they turned up mob handed at Clarks house with a search warrant and an electronic devices sniffing dog (who knew?). Three hours later they left with all of his electronic devices. There's only one thing to do after that.

Clark went of FOX and complained about NAZIs.

Well - hold up a second.

If the protections afforded by the 5th Amendment are being interpreted in a Criminal Context (as you claim), then no adverse inferences can be drawn. I can post up the clip of Judge Schroeder excoriating Attorney Binger for that.

Adverse Inferences would include the inference that if the 5th is being invoked in a Criminal Context, then that means there was Criminal Conduct, and therefore Executive Privilege doesn't apply.

If the protections afforded by the 5th Amendment aren't being interpreted in a Criminal Context:

In civil cases, “the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them.” (Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976) 425 U.S. 308, 318.)

Then you can have a negative inference, but then you are left with the issue that a Civil context is not a Criminal context and therefore it's usage doesn't negate Executive Privilege.

**Laava** · 25th June 2022, 18:09

This reminded me of Trump, although I am sure it would leave a better taste in your mouth…
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...5?bof=S2E6Ch8I

**F5 Dave** · 25th June 2022, 18:53

That's because Trump and his sycophants, people like TDL and the religious don't care for women. 50% of the human race.

For the fucking shame of those sad fuks.

**TheDemonLord** · 25th June 2022, 20:07

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

That's because Trump and his sycophants, people like TDL and the religious don't care for women. 50% of the human race.

For the fucking shame of those sad fuks.

First let's address some Facts - I'm Pro-Choice, always have been.

Next - would you like to guess at which Gender makes up the Majority of Anti-Abortion Activists? I'll give you a hint, it isn't Men (although that doesn't mean much in this day and age...)

So, it seems Women don't care for Women.... which kinda nullifies your argument...

One might conjecture that Women who become Mothers place an extremely great deal of value on Motherhood and so seek to protect it. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good story, aye?

Now, get back to Roe v Wade - Even if you are Pro-Choice, there is one inescapable fact: Roe was bad Law. The constitution says nothing about Abortion, Nor is Abortion an ancient right or custom, in fact it was known about and was illegal in most State Law and English Common Law. The notion that a Right to privacy somehow extends to Abortion is a stretch of astronomical proportions. That was the Justification. It was bad when it was made and it has now been corrected.

I've said elsewhere that I would support an Amendment for Abortion rights if they wanted it to be Constitutionally protected.

Nor does this make Abortion Illegal - it means that individual States can set their own Abortion laws. Some might be very permissive. Some might be very restrictive, I've already seen various companies saying that they will add to their Workers perks, that they will pay for the cost to travel out of state if they need one.

As an Aside -for all the Wailing and Gnashing of teeth from the Democrats - there's something that I feel is worth raising, Let's go back to the Bill Clinton era Democrats - where the Abortion line was 'Safe, Legal and rare' - which is that an Abortion is viewed as a necessary Evil, not something to be celebrated or Shouted about - This was a compromise that most Republicans who didn't hold religious views on the matter could accept.

Then the line became Safe and Legal, Rare being removed from the parlance - Effectively the Democrats broke the Truce and now they've paid the price.

**husaberg** · 25th June 2022, 20:17

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

That's because Trump and his sycophants, people like TDL and the religious don't care for women. 50% of the human race.

For the fucking shame of those sad fuks.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ault-survivors

**TheDemonLord** · 25th June 2022, 20:31

Originally Posted by husaberg

More Copium

However, for the Lady with the Sign:

Abortions: around 800,000-900,000 per year
People killed with 'Assault Rifles': around 390 per year

Also, the US Constitution.

And if you are going to play the 'But Muh Science' - you should be careful - The Biologists seem almost unanimous that Human Life begins at conception.