Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

hey Demon Lord, are you a sympathiser/supporter of the "orange cunt" or just a truth seeker?

Yes, I like Trump.

In addition to that, I have a particular fascination with otherwise sane and normal people who have an unreasonable hatred of Trump. Mainly because the Media has lied to them.

Now, to be clear - when I say unreasonable, I don't mean that there isn't plenty to genuinely dislike Trump on - there is.

There is also a lot positive to say about both him and his Presidency.

Either way you are on shakey ground....us normal folks will never know the truth.
We just have to rely on our bullshitometer with what comes down the fibre optic cable, I guess, and anything originating form the "orange cunt" makes my bullshitometer needle flick over to maximum warning status.

How So? I'm not the one making the Claim - What I'm relishing in, is highlighting the obvious hypocrisy:

People complain about how Trump lies all the time, yet those same people who are up-in-arms about 'Trump Lying' believe wholesale that Trump was hoarding Nuclear secrets, based on a news 'story' that was based on 'an anonymous source' - AKA they made shit up.

A story that on the face of it, doesn't make any sense. So now, I'm taking great delight as each new revelation on the story is unfurled - asking Pritch if there is any basis for the Fake News story that he not only swallowed Hook, line and sinker but propagated.

And at each Juncture when he could U-Turn and admit that the Media was lying to him - he doesn't.

[TheDemonLord]

It's not a no. It's a wait and see.

So that is a No then.

Either there is a reference to Nuclear info in the Affadavit or there isn't.

And as above - it's the double standard by which you defend something from an anonymous source for which there is no documented basis - yet if this was the reverse, you'd be crowing from the top of the tallest tower about how all Trump supporters are blind and delusional.

There were multiple requests from the NARA and the FBI, all of which were ignored.

So, in January 2022 - when he sent back 15 boxes, that was somehow ignoring a request?
And in June 2022 - when the FBI inspected the storage area and various documents were handed over, that was somehow ignoring a request?
Then again in June - when the FBI asked for a stronger lock to be placed and “be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice.” - that's somehow ignoring a request?
Then when they were subpoenaed for Surveillance records, that request was somehow ignored?

I mean - that sounds like a whole lot of co-operation to me.

Surveilance indicated the boxes were being moved and the FBI acted.
Nobody else would have received one request. They'd have just been locked up.

Interesting point... No one else would have recieved a Request? They'd just have been locked up, right?

I mean, I dunno about you - but I'm still waiting for the Digitised versions of Obama's records to be put online - his foundation has had 5 years...

As was Reality Winner who leaked a document proving Russian election interference.

Just imagine if everyone who believed the Russian Interference Hoax was treated with as much scorn as those who said the Election was Stolen.

Imagine.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh he is team orange. Beyond all reason.

Well, I like no international wars, low inflation, booming economy, cheap fuel, secured borders.

But no, no reason at all....

[pritch]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.
If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those. Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

[TheDemonLord]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

Ah yes, an Insurrection... In America... By the people that love their 2nd Amendment... Who hold to the idea that private ownership of Firearms is a deterrent against Government Tyranny... An Insurrection... Where none of them bothered to bring a Gun.

He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

So - riddle me this then - why didn't they start at the top?

The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

So it's a baseless accusation then.

Literally made up by the MSM - and yet you still cling to it.

The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.

Except I've posted the document that backs this up - where he followed the correct process.

You may as well say that Trump had documents on Roswell and the Kennedy assassination - afterall, you've got the exact same level of proof, unverifiable word from an anonymous source.

If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those.

If there were UFO at Area 51 Documents... Same level of Proof that you don't have.

Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

Well, if the last 7 years is anything to go by: We'll find out that it's all been one big made-up hoax to try and discredit Trump and to prevent him from becoming President again.

Also - Any word on Ol' Zuck's admission that the FBI basically requested Facebook to censure the Hunter Biden Laptop? I mean if you were a partisan organization - then actively using the might of the federal government to surpress information that made your guy look bad, then maliciously raiding your political rival would be par for the course....

Oh. Wait...

[Stylo]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.
If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those. Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

Thanks for that. Trump is the worlds clown and looking sillier as the days go by, as are his supporters . No wonder why even the Republican party is choosing to ignore him now. The idiot is running out of friends, this is funny...

[pete376403]

You (TDL) take that stance that if you dont see it it never happened:
The affadavit - so much is redacted within those 38 pages it is impossible to say that there was no reference to nuclear material or anything else.

The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?
Myth 2
People involved in the Capitol riot were not "armed" because they did not have any guns.

The Facts
At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97787...-say-they-used

[F5 Dave]

No. Its not funny.

The Republicans are not ignoring him. Many still see him as the saviour as they seem to be as incapable as the demonkrats of putting up a real living candidate.

As President apparently he didn't have to sign a security document like everyone else does. So others could take his fall. Its the American way.

Don't think there isn't a chance he won't get elected again by those stupid redneck motherfondlers.

[TheDemonLord]

You (TDL) take that stance that if you dont see it it never happened:
The affadavit - so much is redacted within those 38 pages it is impossible to say that there was no reference to nuclear material or anything else.

You miss the point. The point is that there is no evidence credible or otherwise that there was anything to do with Nuclear Material, yet certain media outlets put out stories claiming it to be such, to the point that Pritch posted and repeated the baseless claim.

Now - it's possible, as you say, that in some of the redacted info there might have been references to Nuclear Material - however as each new detail is revealed (and no reference to Nuclear material is present) it removes one such avenue for this claim to be true.

And I'm pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?

I know this how? That's a good question. If only there were protests in America that happened in recent times about the overreach of Government.

Like this

Or this

Oh and before anyone plays the Race card that it's only Angry White People...

That is what I expect an Insurrection in the United states to look like.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

Now - if anyone can show me evidence from the Capitol Riot that showed significant numbers of Citizens who looked like that, then I'll change my tune. Until then, as I said above - An insurrection, by the 2A loving Right-wing, against Government Tyranny who forgot to bring their Guns...

That's a Tui Ad moment right there.

Myth 2
People involved in the Capitol riot were not "armed" because they did not have any guns.

The Facts
At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97787...-say-they-used

Oh wow 3 whole people?!? In America?!? Where there are more legally owned Firearms than People?!?

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks for that. Trump is the worlds clown and looking sillier as the days go by, as are his supporters .

Quite the Contrary - Biden is showing the world how good Trump actually was

No wonder why even the Republican party is choosing to ignore him now. The idiot is running out of friends, this is funny...

Is that why the majority of Trump-backed candidates are winning in their State Election?

Or do you believe Liz Cheney (Cheney! hah!) that she'll be President?

[pete376403]

Well ok but the amendment says about the right to "bear arms" - not guns per se. Arms = weapons. There were lots of weapons carried and being used.

[TheDemonLord]

No. Its not funny.

The Republicans are not ignoring him. Many still see him as the saviour as they seem to be as incapable as the demonkrats of putting up a real living candidate.

As President apparently he didn't have to sign a security document like everyone else does. So others could take his fall. Its the American way.

Don't think there isn't a chance he won't get elected again by those stupid redneck motherfondlers.

Oh it's hilarious alright, The Democrats are doing just about everything within their power to get Trump re-elected.

And given all the crap that the Biden Administration has pulled - the Republicans would be justified in a little political Revenge.

The most recent one being the Student Loan forgiveness is splitting the Democrat voterbase - on the one hand you have all the Leftist activists with useless degrees in the grievance studies complaining that Biden isn't going far enough, then you've got the more sensible Democrats (the actual left-wing types who aren't raving Marxists) pointing out that this is taxing the poor working men and women to pay for some entitled Middle-class twat - and it's not going down well.

Even the overturn of Roe (which some Democrats were hoping would boost their cause) isn't having the effect they'd hoped.

Bring on the Mid-Terms

[TheDemonLord]

Well ok but the amendment says about the right to "bear arms" - not guns per se. Arms = weapons. There were lots of weapons carried and being used.

Indeed, but Guns are the frontline weapon of choice currently.

The weapons that were carried were ones of opportunity.

And here is where my view on the matter stems:

It was definitely a Riot, there are definitely people who should be charged with Vandalism, destruction of property etc. In the same breath - it was not an Insurrection - attempted or otherwise.

Mainly because we have comparable protests where there was an element of intimidation against the government from the People - and in all of them, because of America (it's laws, values and Traditions) we see large numbers of people heavily armed.

In the abscence of that, no - it was not an Insurrection. Riot yes, insurrection no

[pritch]

The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?

That's sadly typical. There were people there with rifles. There were reportedly also large caches of weapons stored nearby. There are recordings of police radio comms reporting on the movements of people carrying rifles. One such had set himself up in a tree with a view of proceedings.

When Trump was told that the crowd were not entering the enclosed area in front of the speakers' platform because they were armed and there were metal detectors, he ordered the metal detectors to be removed because the crowd was not there to hurt him.

If you ignore all the evidence it wasn't a coup attempt. Even if the people who study such events professionally say it was.

[TheDemonLord]

That's sadly typical. There were people there with rifles. There were reportedly also large caches of weapons stored nearby. There are recordings of police radio comms reporting on the movements of people carrying rifles. One such had set himself up in a tree with a view of proceedings.

When Trump was told that the crowd were not entering the enclosed area in front of the speakers' platform because they were armed and there were metal detectors, he ordered the metal detectors to be removed because the crowd was not there to hurt him.

If you ignore all the evidence it wasn't a coup attempt. Even if the people who study such events professionally say it was.

Reportedly...
Reportedly...

So no actual evidence then....

Just like that Nuclear Material, eh?