Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

**pritch** · 23rd September 2022, 21:50

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

If you listen to the full quote (which Sugilitte posted) he refers correctly that he doesn't need a process or approval, he can just declassify something, and then as a rhetorhical flourish mentions he could do it with his mind.

There is no fantasy, since the point that was being made was that he has the executive authority to merely say 'this is declassified' and have it be so.

Rhetorical flourishes? The moron wouldn’t even know what that was. The president can decide that something be declassified but there is a lot of work then required to be done. IIRC they even have an office specifically for that. Also the presidential edict would need to be in writing. Seriously, have you never worked in an office?

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

And this guilty of espionage is as much hyperbole as the Nuclear documents was. Lies built on lies told by liars.

You really haven’t been paying attention have you? One of the offences listed on the affidavit applying for the search warrant is an offence under the espionage act. If they find the evidence he’ll be charged. We can but hope. The nuclear documents may or may not be hyperbolic. If Trump had a possible buyer for nuclear secrets, or a request from Putin, he’d have the documents.

**husaberg** · 23rd September 2022, 22:53

**TheDemonLord** · 24th September 2022, 07:47

Originally Posted by pritch

The president can decide that something be declassified but there is a lot of work then required to be done.

Sure... But not by the President.

Originally Posted by pritch

IIRC they even have an office specifically for that. Also the presidential edict would need to be in writing.

No it doesn't. I will grant that generally by convention it is done in writing, but again - as confirmed by Lefty Fact Checkers - There is no Process or Procedure that the President has to follow to declassify something

Originally Posted by pritch

Seriously, have you never worked in an office?

Pretty much my entire professional career. And what an interesting Question - if the CEO of the Company says something, they are not obligated to follow some internal procedure to ensure it gets done. Staff may request confirmation in writing (I love a good arse-covering Email), but (Just like the President) they are not required to.

Originally Posted by pritch

You really haven’t been paying attention have you? One of the offences listed on the affidavit applying for the search warrant is an offence under the espionage act. If they find the evidence he’ll be charged. We can but hope. The nuclear documents may or may not be hyperbolic. If Trump had a possible buyer for nuclear secrets, or a request from Putin, he’d have the documents.

If... If... If... May...

I remember quite vividly when you used to crucify me for significantly less conjecture. Funny that...

If I appear to be not paying attention, it's because a bogus investigation instigated by a corrupt FBI agent (so corrupt that he was fired), whose every leaked headline claim thus-far has not even remotely been substantiated (Cry Wolf much?), that flies in the face of previous standards set by the FBI themselves for high-profile politicians mishandling classified info and is quite clearly a last ditch attempt by the Democrats to block Trump from running again - That is - I don't listen to the lies from proven Liars.

This is quite clearly a malicious application of the rules and the fact the 'investigation' is still ongoing, when the person who started it was fired for Political Bias against Trump shows you, in a single sentence, just how partisan the FBI have become.

And this Trump and Putin nonsense, we had 4 years of Russia that turned out to be nothing more than a Hoax started by Butt-Hurt Hillary staffers, not to mention if you want me to believe that Trump was Putin's ally - you'll have to explain why when Trump was in office, Putin didn't invade the Ukraine (Like he did under Obama and Biden).

**pritch** · 24th September 2022, 09:41

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

If... If... If... May...

I remember quite vividly when you used to crucify me for significantly less conjecture. Funny that...

If I appear to be not paying attention, it's because a bogus investigation instigated by a corrupt FBI agent (so corrupt that he was fired), whose every leaked headline claim thus-far has not even remotely been substantiated (Cry Wolf much?), that flies in the face of previous standards set by the FBI themselves for high-profile politicians mishandling classified info and is quite clearly a last ditch attempt by the Democrats to block Trump from running again - That is - I don't listen to the lies from proven Liars.

This is quite clearly a malicious application of the rules and the fact the 'investigation' is still ongoing, when the person who started it was fired for Political Bias against Trump shows you, in a single sentence, just how partisan the FBI have become.

And this Trump and Putin nonsense, we had 4 years of Russia that turned out to be nothing more than a Hoax started by Butt-Hurt Hillary staffers, not to mention if you want me to believe that Trump was Putin's ally - you'll have to explain why when Trump was in office, Putin didn't invade the Ukraine (Like he did under Obama and Biden).

I shouldn't ask, but who is this corrupt FBI agent of whom you speak?

Any news that Trump doesn't like is a hoax. The Russian "hoax" is probably just as real as the COVID "hoax" which he ignored while a million Americans died.

**TheDemonLord** · 24th September 2022, 10:07

Originally Posted by pritch

I shouldn't ask, but who is this corrupt FBI agent of whom you speak?

I've told you already, multiple times.

What is it that you say? "You haven't been paying attention".

But since you asked: Timothy Thibault

Some sources say he was fired and escorted out of the building, some say he retired after being named by a Senator as an example of Political Bias.

His lawyer says that he:

was not fired, not forced to retire, and not asked to retire.

Which, I don't know about you, but I happen to speak fluent Corporate... That's the sort of statement made just after one has fallen on their sword.

Originally Posted by pritch

The Russian "hoax" is probably just as real as the COVID "hoax"

You mean a completely inflated issue that was blown out of proportion for the sake of a political agenda?

Well, look at that, we agree on something

Originally Posted by pritch

which he ignored while a million Americans died.

And yet, More died under Biden... Despite the Vaccine that Trump helped pay for (via Pre-sales, just in case Husa tries to sperg out)

**Viking01** · 24th September 2022, 10:44

https://www.rt.com/news/563090-fbi-k...ate-was-fraud/

**husaberg** · 24th September 2022, 11:24

Originally Posted by Viking01

https://www.rt.com/news/563090-fbi-k...ate-was-fraud/

You're quoting Russia today as proof of what? your gullibility? your willingness to spread propaganda?

Back in reality
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators.
13 Russians implicated in election interference: Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), Concord Management and Consulting and Concord Catering with conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections.Twelve of the Russian defendants, who were alleged to be members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, were charged in June 2018 with hacking and leaking DNC emails.

there was also a shit ton that pleaded guilty and were found guilty of charges
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-inv...-guilty-pleas/

**Viking01** · 24th September 2022, 13:26

Originally Posted by husaberg

You're quoting Russia today as proof of what? your gullibility? your willingness to spread propaganda?

Back in reality
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators.
13 Russians implicated in election interference: Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), Concord Management and Consulting and Concord Catering with conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections.Twelve of the Russian defendants, who were alleged to be members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, were charged in June 2018 with hacking and leaking DNC emails.

there was also a shit ton that pleaded guilty and were found guilty of charges
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-inv...-guilty-pleas/

Afternoon.

Good to see that one of the watchdogs of democracy is awake and barking.

So, shifting to your reality and what you posted:

1. "A total of thirty-four individuals ...... hacking and leaking of DNC emails"
2. The TIME article about all the various FBI prosecutions,

I can see plenty of prosecutions (US and Russian individuals) for all sorts of unsavoury activities over that period, and that plea bargaining was certainly made good use of.

But what was the final outcome regarding Trump's own involvement and culpability ? I'm only really interested in the provable conclusion(s).

It was obviously not the FBI's brief to prove him innocent - but did they prove him guilty (at the end of the multi-year Mueller investigation and the Senate hearings) ?

While he was possibly not prosecuted while he was a serving President, surely there was sufficient evidence to do so after his term (assuming that the charges were so serious and the evidence existed)?

Or would taking that course of action have possibly risked shedding light on other "politically uncomfortable" past behaviour (re Hillary and the DNC) ?

Perhaps all the current nonsense over document de-classification and administration is simply a much "safer" goal to pursue ? And a much "lower bar" (one which even the FBI might be able to hurdle) ?

**pritch** · 24th September 2022, 14:01

The much hyped Durham investigation, which was supposed to prove Trump's paranoid claims, is now completed and substantially drew a blank.

Don't get too caught up in the declassification drama. Trump can't think documents declassified, nor can he do it "automatically". It's irrelevant anyway. The documents Trump had, whether classified or not, were stolen. Trump and to an extent his lawyers are spouting a lot of nonsense on TV and Truth Social. They will not be able to repeat that in court.

Trump went after the FBI's most successful spy catcher and then he went after the FBI's most noted expert on organised crime. These days in the US organised crime is primarily Russian not Italian. Of course there may be an innocent explanation for that, but I choose to believe the obvious explanation.

**husaberg** · 24th September 2022, 14:06

Originally Posted by Viking01

Afternoon.

Good to see that one of the watchdogs of democracy is awake and barking.

So, shifting to your reality and what you posted:

1. "A total of thirty-four individuals ...... hacking and leaking of DNC emails"
2. The TIME article about all the various FBI prosecutions,

I can see plenty of prosecutions (US and Russian individuals) for all sorts of unsavoury activities over that period, and that plea bargaining was certainly made good use of.

But what was the final outcome regarding Trump's own involvement and culpability ? I'm only really interested in the provable conclusion(s).

It was obviously not the FBI's brief to prove him innocent - but did they prove him guilty (at the end of the multi-year Mueller investigation and the Senate hearings) ?

While he was possibly not prosecuted while he was a serving President, surely there was sufficient evidence to do so after his term (assuming that the charges were so serious and the evidence existed)?

Or would taking that course of action have possibly risked shedding light on other "politically uncomfortable" past behaviour (re Hillary and the DNC) ?

Perhaps all the current nonsense over document de-classification and administration is simply a much "safer" goal to pursue ? And a much "lower bar" (one which even the FBI might be able to hurdle) ?

Gish galop away that will distract from the fact you continue to post Russian propaganda that has absolutely zero merit.

**pritch** · 24th September 2022, 19:37

Explain this if it's not outsize naps. The picture doesn't appear altered it's as he appears in the video clip. It might be rude to comment on his apparent infirmity but he doesn't hesitate to comment on the health of others.