Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks mashman and Laava

No=6
Yes=1

Tell you what - I'll make it easy for you:

Let's go with

No=23,228
Yes=2

(I'm pretty sure R650 will vote Yes)

Still doesn't add any more or less weight to any point being made.

[Laava]

So if you vote Trump, does that automatically qualify you for membership of the proud boys?

[TheDemonLord]

So if you vote Trump, does that automatically qualify you for membership of the proud boys?

Depends...

Does voting Democrat automatically make you part of Antifa?

[1/32 man]

I thought antifa was against fascism.....so I am for that.
Trump is a quasi faux wanna be fascist so naturally I am against him.
Proud boys ? again wanna be's,.....mostly over weight too so couldn't cope in the field of action.

So TDL you can keep arguing the points you want to make but I haven't got time or inclination to read them.
I sort of feel you support Trump because he is a spanner in the works of the establisment which is pretty rotten in the US as well as elsewhere.
Am I close?

I wouldn't mind seeing a shake up to those career ploticians too but Trump is not the man to do it....he is too dumb, too greedy, too narcissistic.....too criminal.

[TheDemonLord]

I thought antifa was against fascism.....so I am for that.

That's the Tag line, the reality is that they are a bunch of Revolutionary Communists.

Are you for a Communist Revolution?

I'm certainly not.

Trump is a quasi faux wanna be fascist so naturally I am against him.

Was he? I've heard this accusation - yet when we look at the actual political history of Fascism, calling Trump even a faux Fascist wannabe is to make a mockery of the term.

As a simple demonstration - You cannot get Fascism without believing in the Collectivist world view of Marxism. All the original Italian Fascists, including Gentile were Marxists.

Proud boys ? again wanna be's,.....mostly over weight too so couldn't cope in the field of action.

See, I never bring them up - I have no particular allegiance or love for them - yet they have become this boogieman figure to the Left/Media - A White Supremacist organization that's headed by a Latino...

They are accused of everything under the sun, yet anything more than a mere casual glance shows the accusations to be false.

So TDL you can keep arguing the points you want to make but I haven't got time or inclination to read them.
I sort of feel you support Trump because he is a spanner in the works of the establisment which is pretty rotten in the US as well as elsewhere.
Am I close?

That is one aspect.

His position against the creeping intersectional ideology that has poisoned many an institution is another, as was his macro-economic policies, his foreign policy, his energy policy, his immigration policy.

All of which all I have to do is point to Biden and the catastrophes that he ushered in that didn't happen under Trump.

I wouldn't mind seeing a shake up to those career ploticians too but Trump is not the man to do it....he is too dumb, too greedy, too narcissistic.....too criminal.

Too Dumb? I mean the man has had multiple successful careers in multiple domains - it's hard for someone to reach the top of any hierarchy. To reach the top of multiple ones shows he has to at least have some means of intelligence about him.

Too Greedy? Depends on how you define Greed really. I'd much rather the 'greed' of Trump, than the 'greed' of Biden and Pelosi et al.

Too Narcissistic? Trump's been diagnosed with more disorders by armchair Psychiatrists (in breach of rules of Ethics) than I care for, those same armchair Psychiatrists are curiously silent on the likes of Bumbling Biden and Fettermen - which tells me their 'diagnosis' are little more than political attacks. I'll grant you that he has a larger-than-life persona.

Too Criminal? And yet... No Conviction. Despite every effort made. Most Acquitted President of all time.

[husaberg]

[1/32 man]

Cant argue with that Husaberg.

I am off for a hamberder and a covfefe......whatever that is.

[TheDemonLord]

Cant argue with that Husaberg.

I mean, you really can.

I am off for a hamberder and a covfefe......whatever that is.

Sounds like the Breakfast of Champions.

[sugilite:Me]

Now, if our positions on this point had been reversed, you'd be accusing me of putting words in your mouth.

Ok, ignoring the fact that it would be impossible to put words in your mouth as it is already fully occupied by trumps todger, how on earth can you possibly classify a question as having words put in your mouth?

[pritch]

There has been lots of chat on Twitter about accounts being deleted. Apparently Twitter has been clearing bots, troll farms, - and spies. It turns out Trump followers are highly suggestible and can't tell shite from sugar. Who'd have guessed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSAoaetnFRE&t=247s

[TheDemonLord]

How on earth can you possibly classify a question as having words put in your mouth?

Come now - it's the framing of the question and you know it - I said I find dirt digging distasteful, nothing more nothing less.

I'm not upset by it - it's a fact of life.

This is one of those 'Free pass for Trump' moments that you always accuse me of, whilst ignoring that I grant the exact same free pass to the Left/Biden/Hilary.

My issue was not that they went digging for dirt, nor that they aired their made-up dirt in public, my issue was the 4 year long slog of hit pieces and 'investigation' that resulted from said made-up dirt. Especially when it was undoubtedly a factor come election time.

What's the word that they use again? For when one side makes something up? In order to influence Election results?

I'm sure I remember the Left going on and on and on and on and on about it....

[sugilite:Me]

You seem upset that I framed the question in such a way that shows the staggering hypocrisy of your arguments. Lets play a fun game, lets post YouTube videos showing polles doing election result denials. Ill do Repubs, you do the dems. Im picking i will easily exceed a 10 to one ratio.
you often defend the indefensible, dont blame me for pointing it out in the form of 'framed questions'.

[TheDemonLord]

You seem upset that I framed the question in such a way that shows the staggering hypocrisy of your arguments.

Except there is no Hypocrisy.

Again, my position is quite clear - I find the act of dirt digging distasteful. I don't get upset about, I just would prefer it not be a factor in politics.

So, I don't get bent out of shape with Trump's Zelensky call like I wouldn't get bent out of shape over the accusation of Russian Collusion.

But that isn't where it stopped, is it? When you can perpetuate a lie for 4 years, with countless media hit pieces etc. etc. and influence an election based on a lie - I think that's something to point out.

And you are always quick to say that the reason you don't like Trump is his use of hyperbole and his 'lies'.

I dunno about you, but I think someone saying 'This is going to be the greatest policy, perhaps of all policies, ever' is less of an issue than 4 years of malicious prosecution and election interference.

Lets play a fun game, lets post YouTube videos showing polles doing election result denials. Ill do Repubs, you do the dems. Im picking i will easily exceed a 10 to one ratio.

It was never about how many participated, the point was always that it was acceptable for 4 years for Democrat Congress people, Senators, AGs and alike got to claim that the election was stolen, Trump was illegitimate etc. etc. without being censured off of Twitter, Facebook and having criminal proceedings and impeachments raised against them.

But when the Republicans do it - suddenly it's the end of Democracy.

When the Activist wing of the Democrats burn down cities, murder over 50 people - it's a mostly peaceful protest, yet when Republicans go for a stroll, let in by security guards through the Capitol Building, it's the end of all Democracy.

There's a myriad of examples I could bring up - from Vaccine Denial ("I aint taking no Trump Vaccine" vs "If you don't get vaccinated you're an evil person), Twitter ("It's a private company, build your own" vs "We need to control the spread of misinformation") etc. etc.

If it's good for the Goose, it's good for the Gander. And it doesn't matter if it's 1, 100 or 1,000,000 to one - it's the double standard that has always concerned me.

you often defend the indefensible, dont blame me for pointing it out in the form of 'framed questions'.

I'm just using your own standards that you hold for me.

Last time I used a framed question to make a point you were somewhat irked or possibly irritated or perhaps indignant or mildly perturbed at the word choice used...

[sugilite:Me]

Haha, i love how you make out it is the time things have been going on, rather than the sheer numbers that is more important. Like im going to swallow that turd. How long has the duram probe been going on btw?

Good news here... About time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onitor-company

[TheDemonLord]

Haha, i love how you make out it is the time things have been going on, rather than the sheer numbers that is more important.

Once it's more than a few fringe lunatics, the numbers argument becomes moot.

As I said, it was numerous mainstream Democrats doing it - and none of them have faced the sanctions that the Republicans have.

Time is a factor for sure, but more than that it's the difference in treatment. So long as the treatment is the same for both parties, I'm fine with it - that is objectively not the case.

Like im going to swallow that turd. How long has the duram probe been going on btw?

The point as far as I'm concerned has already been proved - the Trump/Russia Collusion was a lie based on a fabrication. There are still people here who believe it to be partially or substantially true...

Good news here... About time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onitor-company

Oh Look! a ruling in New York - that wouldn't be a Democratic stronghold would it.... Wouldn't be any political ulterior motives would there? Wouldn't be under the auspices of someone who vowed they would destroy Trump would it?

I'm just waiting when the winds of Karma blow in the opposite direction, if the Screeching from Elon buying Twitter is anything to go by, it's going to be biblical.