There's plenty housing 20 to 40% on sale around the country, stop using that worn out bull shit argument.Originally Posted by pete376403
Fair weather rider
There's plenty housing 20 to 40% on sale around the country, stop using that worn out bull shit argument.
Fair weather rider
We have a socialist ginga running the country, we have a woke reserve bank ginga governor setting interest rates, any wonder why gingas get a bad rap.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
First answer: If we can't house them, perhaps we shouldn't let them in?
But my actual answer: Repeal the RMA, Restrict Local Councils ability to have a say in what you can or can't do on your private land, Implement a trade school system for young people who aren't academically minded but show an affinity for practical skills.
That way, we can build houses sufficient to home them.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
None of that came from Robertson. That's all from the international tables. You need to stop listening to Newstalk ZB.
Why are you worried about mortgage rates, most people of your alleged wealth don't have one.
Who was I comparing NZ inflation to? The UK, the US, Europe, Australia. I haven't seen the latest figures but would be surprised if they have changed much.
For a guy who claims to have wealth you seem to know nothing about economics. On second thoughts that would explain you holding Tesla shares...
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The Majestic Metal Wizard
Hard Disagree.
I'm on record as saying that it was unreasonable at the time.
The only lesson that ought to be learned is that anytime the Government tramples on Civil Liberties, it always ends badly for everyone.
Okay, let me take the extreme position for a moment (I'll get to what I think in a minute) - What is better off?
Letting Grandma live a few more years and crippling the next generation with poor education, poor language development, massive inflation etc. etc
Letting Grandma die and having the next Generation be better off and grateful for their sacrifice?'
It's a horrible question, but it cuts right to the very heart of the issue and before everyone jumps on their keyboards about how much of an Asshole I am - think about this: What is it that Parents do? We sacrifice on multiple fronts so that our Children have a good upbringing, in the hopes that the Sacrifices we make today will benefit them in the future.
And that include sacrificing your life for theirs
Now that we've addressed the most extreme version of what I'm accused of believing, let's get to what I actually believe. Once the initial data on Covid came in, it was pretty clear that
- Age
- Pre-existing conditions
Were the 2 biggest risk factors - With that in mind, the strategy should have been to have a voluntary quarantine for those who fit that criteria (anyone over 65) and anyone with any of the pre-existing conditions that were risk factors.
Everyone else would be free to Work, go to school etc. and manage their own risk as they saw fit.
No need for massive Government spending to artificially prop up the economy, which means no massive Inflation. With everyone civil liberties respected, people aren't as hostile to the Government and other institutions.
I'll admit - I'm a little scant on details on the 80s NZ political situation - I didn't live it - but some highlights that jump out at me:
- Many of the 'Think Big' projects didn't really start to pay for themselves until the 1990s
- Rogernomics (which IIRC was under the Lange Labour Government) - I mean, if I read some of the things done under Rogernomics - it's making ACT's current policies look positively left-wing (quick point here to make the observation of how far the Overton Window has shifted Left)
My view is that the Conservative view from a philosophical view is based in Individualism. That flows down to things such as less Government interference, less Taxes etc. Essentially Government policy should be grounded in Individual Rights and Liberties - that these should be protected.
Pretty sure the ECA was under the National Government from the 90s onwards.
For the Health system, I'm starting to think that some of the failures that we are seeing (that we didn't use to see) are due to our own success. In the 80s, you were more likely to drop dead out of the blue or after a short illness.
Our ability to prolong life (at a cost) has meant that people who would have died in the 80s are now living - but in some instances they are doing so artificially and at a great cost.
I'm not passing any judgement here on that last part FYI.
As for Schools - Corporal Punishment was outlawed in 1987...
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
You would think with all his alleged investments he would want high interest rates to enable him to get higher returns for all his alleged wealth invested....
unless ......could it be that's he's full of crap....
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Fair weather rider
Lower interest rates push up asset prices like stocks and real estate.
Lower interest also create investment in new business,yes increased wealth for the top 5% but increased wealth for the middle class, the only ones that miss out are the bottom feeders of society, because it's easier to beg and complain than to better yourself.
Anorak
this is only true if you dont have actually money in the bank, With you being so ubber rich you should have lots of money in the bank unless of course....you are not actually rich.....
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Socialist. Draconian. He doesn't even know what those words mean. Learn some fucking history.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Rasta Ratskins
Bit dodgy eh?
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
Hardcore Biker
You left out that we had a massive supply of tin foil hats thanks to your friends stockpiling and we wore gumboots and jandals. Brazilians were not fans of gumboots and paid the price.
As much as I detest this Labour government when C19 starting spreading across the globe [Jan 2020 thereabouts] and lots of people started dying, they reacted quickly based on the little knowledge the world had at that time and took steps. Whether you think they were the right steps with the wonder of your hindsight, they took steps, nevertheless, to try and mitigate the risk that this could be one mass killer like the Spanish flu. I would rather they took steps and tried, and failed, than sat back and said, well let's wait and be sure it is going to kill hundreds, thousands of our people before we 'take steps' that might annoy some sensitive citizens demanding 'give me back my freedoms' Rather hard to demand 'give me back my freedoms' if you were one of the unfortunate that died of a unknown fast spreading global virus. At that time I had an 83 y.o. Mother and I was scared shitless that C19 would take her from me. If wearing a mask MIGHT save her, vaccines MIGHT save her, reducing peoples movements temporary MIGHT save her, what a small fucking inconvenience that was to ask.
Happiness is a means of travel, not a destination
Fair weather rider
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It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without ever acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.
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But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.
I owe you a full-throated apology.
I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me - many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.
The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021. The footage was released by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson [https://www.axios.com/2023/03/08/mcc...lson-fox-news].
While “fact-checkers” state that it is “misinformation” to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/8082088002/], the fact is that the USCP is under the oversight of Congress, according to — the United States Capitol Police: [https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight].
This would be the same Congress that convened the January 6 Committee subsequently, and that used millions of dollars in taxpayer money to turn that horrible day, and that tragic event, into a message point that would be used to tar a former President as a would-be terrorist, and to smear all Republicans, by association, as “insurrectionists,” or as insurrectionists’ sympathizers and fellow-travelers.
There is no way to unsee Officer Brian Sicknick, claimed by some Democrats in leadership and by most of the legacy media to have been killed by rioters at the Capitol that day, alive in at least one section of the newly released video. The USCP medical examiner states that this Officer died of “natural causes,” but also that he died “in the line of duty.” Whatever the truth of this confusing conclusion, and with all respect for and condolences to Officer Sicknick’s family, the circumstances of his death do matter to the public, as without his death having been caused by the events of Jan 6, the breach of the capitol, serious though it was, cannot be described as a “deadly insurrection.” [https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/pr...atural-causes] Sadly, though the contrary was what was reported, Officer Sicknick died two days after Jan 6, from suffering two strokes. https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-...-jan-6-report/
There is no way for anyone thoughtful, even if he or she is a lifelong Democrat, not to notice that Sen Chuck Schumer did not say to the world that the footage that Mr Carlson aired was not real. Rather, he warned that it was “shameful” for Fox to allow us to see it. The Guardian characterized Mr Carlson’s and Fox News’ sin, weirdly, as “Over-Use” of Jan 6 footage. Isn’t the press supposed to want full transparency for all public interest events? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-live-updates] How can you “over-use” real footage of events of national relevance?
Sen Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Senate minority leader, did not say the video on Fox News was fake or doctored. He said, rather, that it was “a mistake” to depart from the views of the events held by the chief of the Capitol Police. This is a statement from McConnell about orthodoxy — not a statement about a specific truth or untruth. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50606...ttack-mistake]
I don’t agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos as depicting “mostly peaceful chaos.”[https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...aceful-chaos/] I do think it is a mistake to downplay how serious it is when a legislative institution suffers a security breach of any kind, however that came to be.
But you don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to believe, as I do, that he engaged in valuable journalism simply by airing the footage that was given to him.
And remember, by law that footage belongs to us — it is a public record, and all public records literally belong to the American people. “In a democracy, records belong to the people,” explains the National Archives. [https://www.archives.gov/publication...archives.html]
You don’t have to agree with Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to notice the latest hypocrisy by the Left. My acquaintance and personal hero Daniel Ellsberg was rightly lionized by the Left for having illegally leaked the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times was rightly applauded for having run this leaked material in 1971. [https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment...niel-ellsberg].
I do not see how Mr Carlson’s airing of video material of national significance that the current government would prefer to keep hidden, or Fox News’ support for its disclosure to the public, is any different from that famous case of disclosure of inside information of public importance.
You don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to conclude that the Democrats in leadership, for their own part, have cherry-picked, hyped, spun, and in some ways appear to have lied about, aspects of January 6, turning a tragedy for the nation into a politicized talking point aimed at discrediting half of our electorate.
From the start, there have been things about the dominant, Democrats’ and legacy media’s, narrative of Jan 6, that seemed off, or contradictory, to me. (That does not mean I agree with the interpretation of these events in general on the right. Bear with me).
There is no way to un-hear the interview that Mr Carlson did with former Capitol police office Tarik Johnson, who said that he received no guidance when he called his superiors, terrified, as the Capitol was breached, to ask for direction. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker...otage-release]
That situation is anomalous.
There is always a security chain of command in the Capitol, at the Rayburn Building, at the White House of course, and so on, which is part of a rock-solid “security plan.” [https://www.dhs.gov/news/2014/09/30/...rnment-reform].
There are usually, indeed, multiple snipers standing on the steps of the Capitol, facing outward. I made note of this when I was researching and writing The End of America. There is never improvisation, or any confusion in security practices or in what is expected of “the security plan”, involving “principals” such as Members of Congress, or staff at the White House. I know this as a former political consultant and former White House spouse.
The reason for a tightly scripted chain of command and an absolutely ironclad security plan in these buildings, is so that security crises such as the events of Jan 6 can never happen.
The fact that so much confusion in security practice took place on Jan 6, is hard to understand.
There is no way to not see that among the violent and terrifying scenes of that day, as revealed by Mr Carlson, there were also scenes of officers with the United States Capitol Police accompanying one protester who would become iconic, the “Q-Anon Shaman”, Jacob Chansley - and escorting him peaceably through the hallways of our nation’s legislative center. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/former...tence-tragedy].
I was oddly unsurprised to see the “Q-Anon Shaman” being ushered through the hallways by Capitol Police; he was ready for the cameras in full makeup, horned fur hat, his tattooed chest bare (on a freezing day), and adorned in other highly cinematic regalia. I don’t know what Mr Chansley thought he was doing there that day, but so many subsequent legacy media images of the event put him so dramatically front and center — and the barbaric nature of his appearance was so illustrative of exactly the message that Democrats in leadership wished to send about the event — that I am not surprised to see that his path to the center of events was not blocked but was apparently facilitated by Capitol Police.
A point I have made over and over since 9/11 is that many events in history are both real and hyped. Many actors in historic events have their agendas, but are also at times used by other people with their own agendas, in ways of which the former are unaware. Terrorists and terrorism in the Bush era are one example. This issue was both real and hyped.
“Patriots” or “insurgents” (depending on who you are) entering the Capitol can be part of a real event that is also exploited or manipulated by others. We don’t know yet if this is the case in relation to the events of Jan 6, or to what extent it may be the case. That is where a real investigation must come in.
But as someone who has studied history, and the theatrics of history, for decades, I was not at all surprised to see, on Mr Carlson’s security camera footage, the person who was to became the most memorable ‘face’ of the ‘insurrection’ (or the riot, or the Capitol breach) — escorted to the beating heart of the action, where his image could be memorialized by a battery of cameras forever.
There are other aspects of the Jan 6 breach that seemed anomalous to me from the start. I study the relationship in history of buildings such as The White House and the Capitol, to the US public; I follow the way in which the public is either welcomed into or barred from these structures.
The White House itself and the Capitol steps have often been open to US citizens. They are public buildings.
Indeed, inaugurations have been open public events in which the US citizenry simply entered the building for the celebration; this tradition lasted from President Jefferson’s inauguration in 1801, to 1885.
Things got very chaotic indeed in 1829. “On March 4, 1829, Andrew Jackson upholds an inaugural tradition begun by Thomas Jefferson and hosts an open house at the White House.
After Jackson’s swearing-in ceremony and address to Congress, the new president returned to the White House to meet and greet a flock of politicians, celebrities and citizens. Very shortly, the crowd swelled to more than 20,000, turning the usually dignified White House into a boisterous mob scene. Some guests stood on furniture in muddy shoes while others rummaged through rooms looking for the president–breaking dishes, crystal and grinding food into the carpet along the way. […]
The White House open-house tradition continued until several assassination attempts heightened security concerns. The trend ended in 1885 when Grover Cleveland opted instead to host a parade, which he viewed in safety from a grandstand set up in front of the White House.” [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...e-white-house].
And inaugurations were not the only occasions in which US citizens approached their public buildings in Washington.
The Bonus Army, which massed in the summer of 1932, during the Depression, to claim the financial “bonus” promised to veterans who had served in World War I, is an example of citizens assembling peaceably at the Capitol. When I was an undergraduate, we were taught that the Bonus Army sat on the steps of the Capitol and lobbied the legislators who were entering and leaving the building. I remember from my history textbook, images of crowds seated on the Capitol steps in 1932.
“[M]ore than 25,000 veterans and their families traveled to Washington, DC, to petition Congress and President Herbert Hoover to award them their bonus immediately. Fortunately for the marchers, Pelham Glassford, the local police chief and a veteran of the war himself, made accommodations for this influx, including the creation of an enormous camp in the Anacostia Flats […]. Glassford understood that Americans had an inherent right to assemble in Washington and petition the government for the “redress of grievances” without fear of punishment or reprisals. […]
On June 15, the House of Representatives passed the new bonus bill by a vote of 211 to 176. Two days later, some 8,000 veterans massed in front of the Capitol as the Senate prepared to vote, while another 10,000 assembled before the raised Anacostia drawbridge. The police were anticipating trouble because of the large crowds. The Senate debate continued until after dark. […]
When it appeared that the bonus would not be paid, many of the marchers refused to leave, and President Hoover ordered the Army to evict them. Using tear gas, tanks, and a troop of saber-wielding cavalry commanded by Major George S. Patton, U.S. Army chief of staff General Douglas MacArthur drove the marchers out of Washington and burned their main camp on the Anacostia Flats.”[https://billofrightsinstitute.org/es...he-bonus-army]
I mention the massing of the Bonus Army on the Capitol steps in 1932, to note that the dominant narrative around Jan 6 today, often implies that it is an act of violence or of “insurrection” simply to march en masse peacefully to the Capitol.
But we should be wary of allowing history to be rewritten so as to criminalize peaceful, Constitutionally-protected assembly at “The People’s House.”
Massing peacefully at the Capitol and other public buildings, is part of our rights and inheritance as citizens, and this use of our First Amendment right to assemble has a long history. Indeed, the public has traditionally had the right peacefully to enter the Capitol — to obtain passes to events, to galley seats, and to witness the proceedings in other ways.
The Capitol is not a sealed space exclusively for legislators, but it is one that is supposed to welcome the public in an orderly way. [https://history.house.gov/Collection...earch%2CTitle]. We should not be encouraged to forget this.
The violence of Jan 6 and its subsequent service as a talking point by the Democrats’ leadership, risks its use also to justify the closing off of our public buildings from US citizens altogether.
This would be convenient for tyrants of any party.
Leaving aside the release of the additional Jan 6 footage and how it may or may not change our view of US history —- I must say that I am sorry for believing the dominant legacy-media “narrative” pretty completely from the time it was rolled out, without asking questions.
Those who violently entered the Capitol or who engaged in violence inside of it, must of course be held accountable. (As must violent protesters of every political stripe anywhere.)
But in addition, anyone in leadership who misrepresented to the public the events of the day so as to distort the complexity of its actual history — must also be held accountable.
Jan 6 has become, as the DNC intended it to become, after the fact, a “third rail”; a shorthand used to dismiss or criminalize an entire population and political point of view.
Peaceful Republicans and conservatives as a whole have been demonized by the story told by Democrats in leadership of what happened that day.
So half of the country has been tarred by association, and is now in many quarters presumed to consist of chaotic berserkers, anti-democratic rabble, and violent upstarts, whose sole goal is the murder of our democracy.
Republicans, conservatives, I am sorry.
I also believed wholesale so much else that has since turned out not to be as I was told it was by NPR, MSNBC and The New York Times.
I believed that stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop were Russian propaganda. Dozens of former intel officials said so. Johns Hopkins University said so. [https://sais.jhu.edu/news-press/hunt...officials-say].
“Trump specifically cited a “laptop” that contained emails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden”, said ‘CNN Fact-Check’, with plenty of double quote marks. [https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/polit...-b98418e4bb9c]
I believed this all — til it was debunked.
I believed that President Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia — until that assertion was dropped. [https://www.americanbar.org/news/aba...nvestigation/]
I believed that President Trump was a Russian asset, because the legacy media I read, said so [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-spy-new-book].
I believed in the entire Steele dossier, until I didn’t, because it all fell apart. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63305382].
Was there in fact an “infamous pee tape”? So many other bad things were being said about the man — why not? [https://www.businessinsider.com/chri...xists-2021-10]
I believed that Pres Trump instigated the riot at the Capitol — because I did not know that his admonition to his supporters to assemble “peacefully and patriotically” had been deleted from all of the news coverage that I read. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ill-be-shield]
Excerpt:
"Because of lies such as these in legacy media — lies which I and millions of others believed — half of our nation’s electorate was smeared and delegitimized, and I myself was misled.
It damages our nation when legacy media put words in the mouths of Presidents and former Presidents, and call them traitors or criminals without evidence.
It damages our country when we cannot tell truth from lies. This is exactly what tyrants seek — an electorate that cannot know what is truth and what is falsehood.
Through lies, half of the electorate was denied a fair run for its preferred candidate.
I don’t like violence. I do believe our nation’s capitol must be treated as a sacred space.
I don’t like President Trump (Do I not? Who knows? I have been lied to about him so much for so long, I can‘t tell whether my instinctive aversion is simply the habituated residue of years of being on the receiving end of lies).
But I like the liars who are our current gatekeepers, even less.
The gatekeepers who lie to the public about the most consequential events of our time — and who thus damage our nation, distort our history, and deprive half of our citizenry of their right to speak, champion and choose, without being tarred as would-be violent traitors - deserve our disgust.
I am sorry the nation was damaged by so much untruth issued by those with whom I identified at the time.
I am sorry my former “tribe” is angry at a journalist for engaging in —- journalism.
I am sorry I believed so much nonsense.
Though it is no doubt too little, too late —
Conservatives, Republicans, MAGA:
I am so sorry."
Forum whore
And the people who are selling, where are they going to live? Sleeping in their flood damaged teslas?
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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Fair weather rider
This has to be the dumbest quote I have read on this forum
"And the people who are selling, where are they going to live?"
Just think about that for a quick minute...
Forum whore
Fucking A.
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