Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Bonez]

Doesn't Duke support Biden?

Just saying...

[Laava]

Trump is in a bit of bother now. He is in several high risk groups, elderly, obese and low income!

[slofox]

Trump is in a bit of bother now. He is in several high risk groups, elderly, obese and low income!

Well, it's a start innit? Maybe there is some justice out there after all.

[onearmedbandit]

your quote has edited out a fair bit of content.

later on he referred to others
What was alarming was he compared the two groups even though one was clearly not being violent.

Thanks, but that's not the issue I was addressing which was Pritch's claim that Trump didn't say words to the effect that 'neo nazis should be condemned'. As I've said before I don't trust any politician, not one of them. I expect them to lie and manipulate facts to suit their agenda. What irritates me however is the partisan media, I don't expect them to lie and manipulate the truth. Trump it seems has been a god-send for the media to do exactly this, and divide opinion and stir up controversy, not in the name of 'reporting' but with the simple goal of getting more clicks and selling more papers. At the time of this particular incident there was some cute editing done to sell two versions of the same story by both sides and whatever network you watched and followed decided what impression you got. I've seen friends fall out of friendship with each other simply over where they decide to get their news from.

So back to the topic, I agree the quote in RDJ's image is not verbatim (that's my fault for not reading it properly) but he did state on the 15th of August (the same day that he said the quote Pritch put up) that they should be condemned.

[pritch]

Reuters reports Trump is being moved to a military medical facility. Walter Reed Hospital?

There are many conspiracy theories circulating on social media. My favourite is that Trump feigns illness and Pence steps up to assume the presidency. Bearing in mind that Trump is being taken to hospital that may be imminent. The theory then postulates that Pence will pardon trump.

That Office of Legal Counsel opinion that stipulates a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime may bite Trump on the ass. Because of that opinion, and that's all it is, it isn't a law. Trump has not been charged so there's nothing to pardon.

[husaberg]

Thanks, but that's not the issue I was addressing which was Pritch's claim that Trump didn't say words to the effect that 'neo nazis should be condemned'. As I've said before I don't trust any politician, not one of them. I expect them to lie and manipulate facts to suit their agenda. What irritates me however is the partisan media, I don't expect them to lie and manipulate the truth. Trump it seems has been a god-send for the media to do exactly this, and divide opinion and stir up controversy, not in the name of 'reporting' but with the simple goal of getting more clicks and selling more papers. At the time of this particular incident there was some cute editing done to sell two versions of the same story by both sides and whatever network you watched and followed decided what impression you got. I've seen friends fall out of friendship with each other simply over where they decide to get their news from.

So back to the topic, I agree the quote in RDJ's image is not verbatim (that's my fault for not reading it properly) but he did state on the 15th of August (the same day that he said the quote Pritch put up) that they should be condemned.

But when Trump did condemn them it was'nt a condemnation of them though, when not only had they been the violent protesters, one of them had driven a car and killed and injured people.
Trump is undoubtedly constantly trying to create racial division.

[onearmedbandit]

Trump is undoubtedly constantly trying to create racial division.

That I don't doubt at all. But the media play it up just as much if not more. That's where the real issuefor me lies, I expect politicians to lie and manipulate. That's their game. But it shouldn't be the medias.

[husaberg]

That I don't doubt at all. But the media play it up just as much if not more. That's where the real issue for me lies, I expect politicians to lie and manipulate. That's their game. But it shouldn't be the medias.

The media from day dot has had a bias.
but they are held to account by broadcasting acts they may well spin but they don't outright lie, as if they did they have to retract and pay fines and lose licenses.
we expect spin from politicians even the occasional lie they think they can get away with.
but what we shouldn't expect is multiple bear faced lies day after day.

[onearmedbandit]

The media from day dot has had a bias.
but they are held to account by broadcasting acts they may well spin but they don't outright lie, as if they did they have to retract and pay fines and lose licenses.

Let's replace 'lie' with 'misrepresent' then. And yes while they've always held a bias it now seems they hold an agenda.

[husaberg]

Let's replace 'lie' with 'misrepresent' then. And yes while they've always held a bias it now seems they hold an agenda.

No from day dot you have had media that try and manipulate the context and suit what they want to project but there are broadcasting limits, there has always been agendas
let's look at the people that control the media

Trump and others like to claim they are left, but the vast majority of the worlds media are owned by large multimedia companies that have right wing agenda's.
But they are held to account by standards they can't produce the outright lies that Trump gets away with otherwise they would be in court and out of business.
If trump wasn't caught in so many lies he would show how he is telling the truth with facts but instead he just claims fake news and says believe me, its a conspiracy.

The US Freedom of speech laws and press by the media can conflict with a citizen’s right not to be subject to false statements in the media that would defame a person’s character.
That is, the media do not have a general right under the principle of protected free press or speech to commit slander (to speak false information with an intent to harm a person) or libel (the printing of false information with intent to harm a person or entity)
Libel and slander can only occur only in cases where false information is presented as fact.
Now which side is doing the outright lies, is it the media or Trump............

[onearmedbandit]

No from day dot you have had media that try and manipulate the context and suit what they want to project but there are broadcasting limits, there has always been agendas
let's look at the people that control the media

I'm not talking about Trump though in this instance, I'm referring to the media. You agree they have a bias, you agree they have an agenda. I'm simply stating that this has become more blatant, and I disagree with that abuse. This is my opinion, I'm not stating it as fact. But from my own experience it is now incredibly common to find the same story 'spun' with completely different perspectives and narratives.

For the record I am well aware that Trump lies through his teeth. Like virtually every politician. But politicians have always ranked low on trust. The media shouldn't.

[husaberg]

I'm not talking about Trump though in this instance, I'm referring to the media. You agree they have a bias, you agree they have an agenda. I'm simply stating that this has become more blatant, and I disagree with that abuse. This is my opinion, I'm not stating it as fact. But from my own experience, it is now incredibly common to find the same story 'spun' with completely different perspectives and narratives.

For the record, I am well aware that Trump lies through his teeth. Like virtually every politician. But politicians have always ranked low on trust. The media shouldn't.

i don't agree it has become more blatant they just have a target that that is very blatant and incredibly unsophisicated.
What it has exposed, is the covering up of these shortcomings of the right-wing media.
It shows for all that is wrong with America and its cult of personalities.
Trump lies are far less subtle and far more numerous than any other politician, I have ever seen.

[pritch]

Let's replace 'lie' with 'misrepresent' then. And yes while they've always held a bias it now seems they hold an agenda.

Fox are exempt from that, legaly speaking, despite the name they are not a news station. Most on air staff peddle opinions or commentary which are fancy names for lies. There are a few news staff who do report the news to normal standards. The latter tend to upset management from time to time, eg Shepard Smith who has just resurfaced with CNBC after being fired from Fox a year ago at the request of the White House.

The recent Fox court defence of Tucker Carlson was interesting, basically they said everybody knows not to take any notice of Carlson.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...th/ar-BB15FQkR

[husaberg]

Fox are exempt from that, legaly speaking, despite the name they are not a news station. Most on air staff peddle opinions or commentary which are fancy names for lies. There are a few news staff who do report the news to normal standards. The latter tend to upset management from time to time, eg Shepard Smith who has just resurfaced with CNBC after being fired from Fox a year ago at the request of the White House.

The recent Fox court defence of Tucker Carlson was interesting, basically they said everybody knows not to take any notice of Carlson.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...th/ar-BB15FQkR

Pretty sure trump even previously exposed how unbiassed the Russian controlled Russian owned propaganda station Russia today is
its seems even they are poking him now

[onearmedbandit]

i don't agree it has become more blatant they just have a target that that is very blatant and incredibly unsophisicated.

That's the beautiful thing about opinions, they're based a lot on perspectives. And we can all learn from each others perspective. I should add I don't just limit my feelings about this to reporting on Trump, nor only American media outlets, but even news reporting here in New Zealand.