Pootler
Hey mate,Originally Posted by Kb2020dope
The Auckland region is a great place to live. The east and west coast are a stone throw from each other. World class fishing and water sports and great work opportunities. Auckland is built up by a hive of thriving communities.
I do understand people can have bad experiences in any city.
We all like different things and completely respect your opinion.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Bwhahahahahahahahaha
Lived there for over 50 years. Shithole. Very glad to be out.
Pootler
Place is the slowest train wreck in history.
Coal Burning XV Rider!
150 yards and he didn't hit the bull, pretty poor aim, I'd say.
Every day above ground is a good day!:
Forum whore
Glad you spelt out that you are Maori, otherwise I would think you were that KBdope woman who seems to post rubbish on here within minutes of you.
Enigma
Too soon ?
You'd never go hungry with Nigella Gaz.
If it weren't for flashbacks...I'd have no memory at all..
Kiwibiker
This statement sums up your disposition very succinctly. Wishing his families pain for years to come as if they bought him up to assassinate Trump? It is guaranteed their pain will be all enduring, I feel a lot more sorry for them than I do for Trump. A man who downplayed early covids effects, and held many, many public rallies during the start of pre vaccine covid knowing people would become infected and die. He simply does not care, he just sees voters as useful idiots to get him what he wants, much like project 25 views Trump himself.
As for the shooter being a lefty, he was initially a registered democrat, then after the 2020 election, he registered as republican voter and even donated to Trump. I'd say he was seriously confused, and with the various "news agencies" all stoking hate, it is always going to tip marginal people over the edge.
And as for America being a democracy? If one can call a system where corporate conglomerates can buy politicians, supreme court judges to get the results they want, then yes, sure it is a democracy.
Whoever is really running the show over their is having a sick laugh when the so called best two candidates for the presidents job is a criminal (before he took office even - trump university) whos best skill set is playing Americas 2 tier justice system to perfection, and the other guy, is CLEARLY cognitively challenged, way to much to be president, but is more an old school politician, keep the pocket lining on the down low kind of way rather than in your face trump style of criminality. That is the "best" democracy can come up with? Give me a break. And NZ is heading in the same direction with corporate lobbies having waaaaay too much influence.
Democracy would be great if it's principles were actually followed.
Well, this is awkward...
It's a tragedy for the 20 year old shooter and his family how the hell does a 20 year old find himself on a roof with a gun shooting at a politician??
It's a tragedy for the bystanders killed and injured, although I've often wondered what the deal is in the US with having audience members behind the stage. I wonder if the secret service will have a lawsuit or two to contend with from survivors and families.
Given I've never understood Trump's appeal, the fact that he's been shot at doesn't make him any more appealing to me. It's going to be fascinating to see how this affects his chances, I'm struggling to see logically how it turns into votes for him that he didn't already have.
Moe: Well, I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I...I can't compete with that stuff.- The Simpsons
Kiwibiker
The right leaning media will be painting it as being Bidens fault, Marokis fault, anyone but divisive trumps fault, and certainly not allowing Ar guns to be so easily purchased without background checks fault and so on. (Edit - Yep, just went to fox, and the first 17 articles are all based on the attempt - many, many commenters blaming an absurd amount of people completely unrelated to the shooting)
Hate and outrage sells advertising space and motivates the base to get out and vote.
Make no mistake, this is a huge boost for Trumps chances at winning, especially if Joe stays, and it looks like he loves his job more than his country at present and is digging in.
Forum whore
(Conspiracy theory hat on) Americas "Reichstag Fire" moment - when a staged event galvanises support behind an otherwise unlikeable, unelectable politician falling behind. Right wing media hysterically apportioning blame to any one and everyone totally unassociated with the event. Conveniently the shooter gets killed immediately after the even so unable to answer any questions. A small amount of collateral damage that is considered within acceptable limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
Hardcore Biker
Right.
As means of introduction - I have been a member since 2008, used to be Youngbiker16, have attended a few group rides and events. (Back in the skid mark and Mormon stuntman days).
I met KB at a pub ride, mates since, and got him to join Kiwibiker in 2020. Over the years we chat about coming back on. Here we are. And yes am MÄori as you will see on my profile pic.
I see yourself and F5 Dave have a conspiracy theory so this should put it to bed.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
It is interesting how people who otherwise refute the idea of any modern conspiracy theories being legitimate are suddenly entertaining the idea.
After someone here early on posted a clip alerting of the incident IĀ’ve been digesting the news feeds watching this evolve. A variety of factors make it clear this is not a conspiracy event.
1) The initial news narrative is coming from local news outfits on the ground rather than the big brand name news outlets. Information is scant even down to how many shots or where from.
2) Poluce/officials treat it as the proper crime scene that it is. Reporters have their cameras seized as they may contain evidence of what happened. Respect is shown to deceased member of crowd we donĀ’t get shown any view of the body.
3) Little is known of the perpetrator and he doesnĀ’t conveniently email a manifesto to all the various news agencies with timing being critical.
4) real eye witnesses are interviewed who while composed are clearly unsettled by what they e been through.
5) The other side of political spectrum is screaming for an investigation into failure of secret service et al as this could have happened to them at their event.
6) the shooter appears to have just one weapon instead of an arsenal and body armour to make for good photo op.
7) no mention of the FBI until way after the event.
8) it happened at a little BFK nowhere town where locals would notice if something shady was being setup.
9) A real paid assassin would not have missed at such close range or be situated in such a poorly concealed position.
Its clearly the work of loner with mental health issues going by what news say of his school history, prob spends lot of time on first person shooter gaming clouding his view of real world/fantasy/gaming. Suicide by cop upgraded large size to suicide by secret service.
On another note I came across someone in military talking about how you never know how youĀ’ll react under fire or being shot until it happens. Whatever you think of Trump his fist pump showed no matter what happens heĀ’s never down for the count. But at same time in his early communication afterwards he was quick to show empathy to family of the dead supporter.
The only thing I found odd was the press swarming the podium to get photos and not being shot or at least pepper sprayed by the secret service. I sure know that if I was there the last thing IĀ’d be doing is holding any pointy shiny black objects and pointing them towards Ā“the packageĀ”.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Hes there because of the tone modern media articulates. Young people think worlds going to end because of climate change or who the next President is. Apparently all the audience in that prime seating positions are vetted by secret service and are all long time supporters etc.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Scooter boy
Bwhahahahahahahahaha
Lived there for over 50 years. Shithole. Very glad to be out.[/QUOTE]
The Auckland region is a great place for young people who like to get out and live life. You had your 50 years in Auckland and then decided to move away from the bustling city for a slow paced lifestyle. I can completely understand that. Im happy to put up my hand and admit my original comments didn't take age into consideration. Sorry team
Scooter boy
Hey bud,
I genuinely hope his family is in a world of pain.
Everyone knows covid is just the flu. Did you bend over and took your 'clot shots'?
You're last statement makes plenty of good points and it's hard to argue with you about corporate influences.
Good on ya bud, you've made some great points and I'll go away with a few things to think about.
Cheers
Kiwibiker
I genuinely hope you never have a relative that does something crazy completely independent of any influence you had on them, only to have callous ignorants blame you. It is not nice.
Yeah, yeah, covid is just the flu, a dude jumped out of a plane without a parachute and died of covid on impact. Equally stupid, the "clot shot" gang assigning every death they read about as vaccine based. The dead people stacked into refrigerated containers in rats nest like New York in the early days suggest, that somewhere in the middle lies balance. Did the left overdo the nanny state antics? Absofuckinglutely. Did the right do their usual don't give a fuck about an age demographic that was passed it's useful taxpayer status? Again, Absofuckinglutely.
It was a big deal for me to actually take the first 2 shots as up to then, I had avoided all vaccines, even the one all 14 year olds got at school back in the 80's. It was unfortunately the 3 pre existing conditions I had that made my mind up, based on the best information I could find at the time, and a bit of family pressure to be honest. I personally, noticed bugger all difference, however, shot one really messed with my wife's respiratory system. Neither of us have had subsequent shots as the covid virus seemed to evolve into a weaker beast. Each person had to make their own personal decisions on it. It did not have to be one based on fucking politics like BOTH sides made it.
What is happening in American politics (and associated propaganda "news" networks) is fucking unbelievable, I have no idea how criminal trump got his super power of people believing he has their best interests at heart and is a stand up guy. Even he acknowledged it in 2016 by saying he could shoot someone in central park and people would still vote for him. The left have not changed fuck all, they still want to use everyone else's money to fix their vision of what ails the World, but the right under trump? My god man, now they embrace russia! The man has corrupted the GOP's soul at the deepest levels. The joke is he calls any republican that does not agree with him a rino, when it is in fact him, and his disciples that are the true rinos.
As messed up as the compromised democracy in the usa was, we (countries like New Zealand) really needed the until now - enduring balance of the moderates both left and right cancelling out the worst excesses of their respective radical sides from having too much sway. Trump has murdered that balance. Comparing him to hitler, stalin or mususilini is wrong, he is his own special kind of individual to be sure. But equally as dangerous. To even talk about dissolving nato with what putin is up to, and another certain red colored powerhouse country waiting in the wings to swoop in and mop up the mess and fully take over - where does that leave the likes of resource rich desirable Australia and popgun NZ just next door with a severely weakened America at war with itself? The fact that it is largely at war because of a loudmouthed conman is just so very, very disappointing.
Really with the corruption in politics, it matters little whether the left or right are in "power". I lived 2 years in the USA during trumps presidency. When we left NZ it was national in charge, when we got back, it was labor and as usual, sweet fuck all had significantly changed, especially as labor was the government of getting sweet fuck all done. (I'm far from loving everything the nats are doing either) However on the grand scale of being able to live ones life with even a cursory nod to freedom is more fucking important than which imaginary ideal corrupt piece of shit party is in charge. Debating which side has the best take on governing is about as applicable as speculating if either santa or the easter bunny will improve your life. (naturally, it's santa, he gives a wider range of presents).
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