Anorak
Washington state GOP takes a stand against democracy......
"We do not want to be a democracy..."
"we don't want to elect by population vote... Bad idea."
oh look they don't even endorse they own candidate as he had some issues with fraud odd hasn't there presidential candidate been found guilty of that on multiple counts...oh well they are still far less hypocritical than some around here....
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Hardcore Biker
Furthering on from my Trump tax cut analysis.
The effective distribution of tax cuts to the respective classes is weighted on the timing and strength of the economy in my opinion.
During a strong economy (2.4% GDP growth, low unemployment & high consumer confidence at the time of the cuts). There will be greater borrowing and lending, such as middle class mortgages etc.
So regardless of the trickle down economic benefits (increased capital investment…more jobs etc etc).
The tax cuts which mostly materialised in US bank accounts ultimately allowed more money for the banks to lend to to the middle and lower class.
Obama’s 2009 cut was more middle/lower class centric because of the 2008 collapse.
Which I believe was the right thing at that time.
Hardcore Biker
Hardcore Biker
Pursang,
In the time it was administered (strong economy) - it was effective, in other times (economic downturn) then I may agree with you.
Data shows an increase in home loans since 2018.
And, as a result, higher rates of lending from banks.
Some banks showed lower interest rates because of higher bank profits.
Because irrespective if the wealthy invested it or saved every cent - it ended up in US bank accounts.
This was one of the only effective & viable ways for the middle class to own homes around this period.
Weekend cruiser
No it wasn't.In the time it was administered (strong economy) - it was effective
That was a con someone made up as an excuse for the rich getting richer.
Kiwibiker
Yes, Trump is a confirmed liar of the highest order with his stolen election lies. As you say, now proven in the courts.Originally Posted by Dean
Does your copy of the bible have the 9th commandment “You shall not give false witness against your neighbor.” edited out or something?
Walk me through how his grievances percolate through some sort of system which leads him to be incapable of accepting he lost the 2020 election and breaking the 9th commandment daily is somehow magically excused?
Cheers for the nice fat straw man, it's already on the fire warming me up on this cold evening lol. I'm not saying Trump is not allowed to lie, holy hell, his speeches would drop from 2 hours down to 2 minutes if he edited out his lies
STRAW MAN.
Dean, I'm not angry with you, just so very disappointed. I never disputed trumps right to lie (your 1st amendment straw man), I queried if you were ok with his never ending fountain of lies damaging democracy. If you cannot adequately defend trumps lying, just say so. No need to introduce straw man arguments. I thought you wanted serious debate, yes?
Trumps inability to not just accept an election loss, but to lie daily about it has 69% of republicans believing that the 2020 election was "stolen". This sentiment lead to the Jan 6th riots. Last week trump told a rally that if he lost that state it would only be through election fraud. A republican had not won there since the 80's! This is all to sow seeds of a outright civil war when he loses this years election.
trumps lying are indisputably causing serious damage to the democratic process in the United States, and it is magas following a cult leader that are completely asleep at the wheel and if trump and his evil cronies succeed, by the time the magas wake up, it will all be too late.
https://theconversation.com/why-do-m...d-trump-224016
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/03/p...ate/index.html
Kiwibiker
Thank you for clearing that up mate, because it looked for all the world like you were trying to pull a low ranking troll move by coming into a thread, throwing a bunch of shade around then attempting to make yourself look like the sole voice of reason and morality - then stand back and congratulate yourself on the ensuing carnage. Whew, THANK GOODNESS it was not that!
For the record, I'm not really sure if any website on planet earth is safe for you to visit if an image of a girl blowing kisses causes you moral discomfort. Chin up petal!
Well business as usual happened in this thread over the last few weeks. It has been a lot rowdier in the past, and at times does quieten down as we all get a bit tired of reporting on trumps never ending self propelled lies and dramas. It does always liven up when two or one magas arrive and spout a whole lot of trump lies with zero links or proof to back up their "stats" such as Deans impressive looking trumps tax cuts worked posts - ZERO LINKS provided.
You will have to forgive our scepticism, as higher IQ magas in the past have dropped by kb, and at first their stats looked very believable, until when pressed for their sources, could only provide a pdf of someones personal opinions that had only been downloaded a handful of times.Obviously much merriment ensued in the thread.
What I would like you and Dean to do is back up your trump utterances with links to your sources.
Until you do that, I fear you will just be written off as low rent trolls. And golly, dang, and gosh - we would not want disinformation like that on this thread would we?
Anorak
Oh this is a great republican view on Trump.
I enjoy it when Trump compare himself to Dr Martin Lurther King.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Rasta Ratskins
We all know this old trick from the orange buffoon. Accuse others of doing what you yourself would or have done.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...i-crowd-photos
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
Hardcore Biker
Not just a 'Trick'. PROJECTION is a classic psychological symptom of a malignant and/or sociopathic narcissist.
Much more info at George Conway's https://www.psychopac.org/
The theme and aim of this organization is: Voters have forgotten one important fact: Trump is f**king nuts.
Hardcore Biker
No, he acted on what he thought was a miscarriage of justice based on the information he received and thus presented. That doesn’t make him a liar, there was no malice (otherwise show me proof of ill intent).
Trump encourages all Americans to exercise their first amendment & democratic right to petition in the pursuit of justice.
That is what the courts are for after all - I didn’t make the rules…
(Not angry at you either btw).
In the riders seat
He started priming people by telling them the only way he could lose if the election was rigged months before the election so you statement doesn't ring true, he did the same in 2016 and he's doing the same now
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
The Majestic Metal Wizard
What *exactly* did he say in 2016?
I believe the quote was from a series of Tweets and he is specifically talking about Media company bias influencing the Election. Or should I say Election Fortification
And remember - this is after Elon bought Twitter - and we know for a fact that there was... a Harmonious relationship between the FBI, DNC and Twitter (A relationship that had been inferred long before the purchase for a number of Social Media companies - but we only have the concrete proof for Twitter) and that there were internal blacklists, policies, tools and procedures to suppress certain accounts that had a decidedly conservative outlook.
If you have a News Media that can make up stories with impunity (like the cowards and losers comment that has been denied by everyone in attendance), a Social Media that can suppress true news source (like Hunters Laptop) and do so in a critical phase of an Election - what would you call that if not Election Rigging?
Whilst it may not be changing the tally of votes - the net result is virtually identical. A Free and fair election depends on a free and fair press.
And as a case in point:
The same Press that said Trump was mentally unfit due to cognitive decline to be President whilst he was in Office, but Biden was sharp as a Tack, right up until the Debate shattered that, you know, we beat medicare.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Hardcore Biker
US election 2016: Trump says election 'rigged at polling places'
Published 17 October 2016 - https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37673797
The Majestic Metal Wizard
And due to Media Bias, from your source
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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