Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

What an odd response - so you are saying it is fine that the right wing media can drop the story earlier because trump supporters are already on the train, but the left wing media should run the story longer....to, ummmm - give slow reading democrats a chance to catch the train? Surely an easier solution would be to put kiwirail in charge, so every one has a fair chance to catch the now guaranteed slow late train

There is more to it than that. Remember how I have said repeatedly I dont watch Fox (read into that what you will) - but to ask a question: If the roles had been reversed and it was either Biden or Kamala that had nearly been shot - do you think that it would have been dropped so quickly - or do you think that runs and re-runs of the event would be plastered everywhere from now until right before the Election

Oh really? I will have to insist on a robust link for that one mate.

As one example - 2 minutes in:

Notice how CNN has to ringfence that as a fringe opinion...

Not sure where the rest of that went. Yeah, I must admit I've been waiting for the maga mob to start saying JD is a dem plant (with jd's history of calling trump hitler etc) and the war cry of "Lance JD Vance" to start ringing out!

I havent invested much into having an opinion on either person TBH - I did see some ruffled feathers on the Veteran community side over Walz saying he retired as a Command Sergeant Major. TL;DR - he was an acting CSM, went to the school, but didn't stay in the Guard long enough after attending the leadership school to retire as a CSM.

For my 2c, I think Walz saying he was a CSM is fine and I can appreciate that for the sake of simplicity he omits all the minutae around promotions and acting etc. he just says it. Veterans though point out that a CSM is responsible for upholding things like standards and integrity and other Army values - they are annoyed he is not being correct.

But as above - I kinda give him a pass on that.

Or he has been watching the wild popularity of the Dems conference? The differences between the RNC and DMC bashes was very stark to say the least.

I have not watched it - but I did see that Michelle Obama was wheeled out - which tells me that they are pulling out all the stops... which tells me they are afraid...

You would cheer like a giddy school boy for tulsi if she stood at the podium and recited the alphabet. I can just see it, as she gets to the letter "B" you would go and grab her arse and loudly shout "B for butt". I think we would all know what body part you would be grabbing to represent the letter "C"! As endorsed by the orange one

A is for Arse, B is for Boobs, C is for C you Next Tuesday I have got a fantasy to live out...

Anyways - let me quote that notorious Right wing Outlet... CNN:

Tulsi Gabbard rips Kamala Harris' record on criminal prosecutions

Are you having a laugh? trump solved peace in the middle east? At best he did the equivalent of making some fighting kids in a playground begrudgingly shake hands. Moving the embassy pleased precisely one country and not retaliating when a single drone got shot down - big whoop. That in no way makes up for the carnage he caused his own countries faith in democracy through his never ending wahhh wahhh fire hose of stolen election lies.

I never said Solved.

How many new wars started in the Middle East under Trump?
How many US service Members died?
Compare what happened under Obama or Biden to how things were under Trump.

What is the current Death toll of the Israel/Hamas conflict - It is my sincere belief that had Trump been in power, the Afghanistan withdrawal wouldn't have been a shambles and various other factors would not have emboldened Hamas to commit the October 7th attack which would lead to Israel not levelling Gaza.

Or the other example - Russia invaded Crimea under Obama. Did nothing under Trump. Invaded Ukraine again under Biden. Seems to me that there is a common factor as to when Russia tries it on.

And in case you missed it, the USA is producing more oil under biden than trump. I'm assuming you are writing a letter of congratulations to biden right now?

And for the same consumption - There is a lot of nuance around this - however, even when adjusted for inflation - Petrol was cheaper under Trump and more expensive under Biden.

History will remember trump as a orange shit stain on the crisp white bed sheets of the great American experiment

Just like Historians conveniently forget that the roots of Fascism was Marxism... No, I think Trump will be remembered interestingly. Whatever does happen - I can bet there will be at least another 400 pages of debate.

You know, people have been telling me variations of this for years, and I have never worked out what exactly they were meaning

Hahahahahahaha

[TheDemonLord]

Its for your own good, son.

and therein lies the most insidious problem:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[TheDemonLord]

Not so much for the Militia though eh
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/27/p...lot/index.html

Isnt that the case where most of the co-conspirators were Federal Agents....

[husaberg]

[sugilite:Me]

There is more to it than that. Remember how I have said repeatedly I dont watch Fox (read into that what you will) - but to ask a question: If the roles had been reversed and it was either Biden or Kamala that had nearly been shot - do you think that it would have been dropped so quickly - or do you think that runs and re-runs of the event would be plastered everywhere from now until right before the Election

Fox has to be in the trump conversation as that is the place that overwhelmingly right wing voters get their news from.
I would suggest to you, that each side would milk the fuck out an failed assassination "opportunity". To me it would seem your beef should lie with why the right media has dropped it so fast. Why moan about the other sides whos interest is not in promoting it? Still, for me at least - I view this as a strange position for you to be holding.

As one example - 2 minutes in:

First of all, interviewing some dudes in a barbershop is hardly what I would call a robust link. 2nd, I'm very surprised you go to CNN for your news, wow. (or perhaps struggling to find material that supports your theory?) 3rdly, I would suggest that a large hall of black journalists would be about the most stupid place that trump could put forward this nonsense. I notice trump has since dropped this line of stupidity.

I havent invested much into having an opinion on either person TBH - I did see some ruffled feathers on the Veteran community side over Walz saying he retired as a Command Sergeant Major. TL;DR - he was an acting CSM, went to the school, but didn't stay in the Guard long enough after attending the leadership school to retire as a CSM. For my 2c, I think Walz saying he was a CSM is fine and I can appreciate that for the sake of simplicity he omits all the minutae around promotions and acting etc. he just says it. Veterans though point out that a CSM is responsible for upholding things like standards and integrity and other Army values - they are annoyed he is not being correct.

Both men served their country in their respective roles just fine. Each side are being abject wankers about it. Fox's latest gambit of saying that walz is a sleeper agent because he taught in chinese schools 13 odd years before running for office is especially pathetic. (Comer was pushing it on fox too, needs to be investigated he says). Apparently comer is a gluten for humiliation as their biden impeachment effort just recently ended with no evidence to impeach. The house maga mobs witchhunt essentially had the effect of totally exonerating president biden! Now that is genuinely hilarious

I have not watched it - but I did see that Michelle Obama was wheeled out - which tells me that they are pulling out all the stops... which tells me they are afraid...

First, why an earth would they not bring out michelle when she has speaking skills that she does, and is wildly popular and motivating. Secondly, they have good reason to be afraid. Letting that convicted criminal back into office would be very bad for the country. Furthermore, a stark contrast between the dem and maga convention was the dems rolled out multiple past presidents, and ramped up the razzmatazz with current music stars and such. In contrast, the maga mob wheeled out no past presidents, a tired old ex wrestler and kid rock, an aged musician whose careers best years are decades behind him. Oh yes, lets not forget a bunch of unlicensed music they are now being sued over - again.

I never said Solved.

My apologies, what you actually said was "Organizing the end of the Middle East Wars is another,". That is a pretty bloody compelling and finite statement - yes?

How many new wars started in the Middle East under Trump?

I view this line of logic as being highly subjective at best. I do not attribute anywhere near as much influence to trump on the middle east as what you do. It is my view that trump would not hesitate to send the country to war if it were to benefit himself. The fact that pretty much his only military retaliatory response was he took out that general who mean tweeted him speaks volumes about where his priority lies when it comes to taking military action. Remember, I have formed my opinion on trump from his own words, actions and non actions. Because you have this mind boggling blind spot when it comes to trump - let me offer the two examples you have provided in previous threads. Iran attacks drone - trumps response, ahhh meh, let it slide. Iranian general mean tweets trump, trump has him killed in a drone strike. As much as I have no doubt you will love that, the reality is he only chose to respond when his fragile ego was hurt. Not what you want or need in a leader.

What is the current Death toll of the Israel/Hamas conflict - It is my sincere belief that had Trump been in power, the Afghanistan withdrawal wouldn't have been a shambles and various other factors would not have emboldened Hamas to commit the October 7th attack which would lead to Israel not levelling Gaza.

Very subjective once again in regards to Afghanistan. Trump does not have much of a clue about how the armed forces works apart from how to dodge the draft. It is the same US armed forces under both presidents, I doubt trump would of sent them a blue print on how to retract in a better fashion than what they did under Biden. In regards to the attack on Gaza, what is it?? saint trump does not start wars, or war hawk trump is so likely to start a war the hamas would have been too paralyzed with fear to act? For me the blood rushing to your woody for trump appears to be coming from the part of your brain that controls unbiased critical thinking

Or the other example - Russia invaded Crimea under Obama. Did nothing under Trump. Invaded Ukraine again under Biden. Seems to me that there is a common factor as to when Russia tries it on.
And for the same consumption - There is a lot of nuance around this - however, even when adjusted for inflation - Petrol was cheaper under Trump and more expensive under Biden.

I'm getting real bored with this line highly subjective woulda, shoulda coulda rubbish

Just like Historians conveniently forget that the roots of Fascism was Marxism... No, I think Trump will be remembered interestingly. Whatever does happen - I can bet there will be at least another 400 pages of debate.

So you foresee the history books covering US presidents and their historical impact as simply showing one photo of trump with just the caption of "Interesting"

[Berries]

I can bet there will be at least another 400 pages of debate.

If you two keep multi quoting each other we will be there in a couple of weeks.

T-shirt I saw in San Fran recently -

[Stylo]

If you two keep multi quoting each other we will be there in a couple of weeks.

T-shirt I saw in San Fran recently -

That's a good T-Shirt.

It's interesting watching a doddery old man with the brain of a spoilt brat, a 9 year old brat maximum, trying to defend himself.

I'm looking forward to the debate. Kamala will kill him.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Very subjective once again in regards to Afghanistan. Trump does not have much of a clue about how the armed forces works apart from how to dodge the draft. It is the same US armed forces under both presidents, I doubt trump would of sent them a blue print on how to retract in a better fashion than what they did under Biden. In regards to the attack on Gaza, what is it?? saint trump does not start wars, or war hawk trump is so likely to start a war the hamas would have been too paralyzed with fear to act? For me the blood rushing to your woody for trump appears to be coming from the part of your brain that controls unbiased critical thinking

The President of the USA is the Commander in Chief of all of her Armed Forces. Fun fact: the US Air Force is the largest air force in the world (by any measure). What is the second largest? Yep, it is the US Navy.

Anyway all of the informed sources that I have read seem to agree that the US exit was a complete clusterfuck that left a power vacuum that the Taliban walked into. Boom. Instant dark ages because of their stupid religion and even stupider politics.

Hopefully when Kamala is elected it will signal the rising of the matriarchy. I honestly believe if women were in charge then life would be better. It would also free up my time for being decorative and for activities. Its a win win. The patriarchy is a lot of tedious hassle.

[1/32 man]

Hopefully when Kamala is elected it will signal the rising of the matriarchy. I honestly believe if women were in charge then life would be better. It would also free up my time for being decorative and for activities. Its a win win. The patriarchy is a lot of tedious hassle.

Similar thoughts here....

[pete376403]

The only thing trump is good for - providing cartoonists with subject matter

[pritch]

I would suggest to you, that each side would milk the fuck out an failed assassination "opportunity".

The event would seem to have received an appropriate amount of coverage, it's still in the news seems like almost every day.

You may recall reports at the time that the local cops weren't able to communicate urgently with the Secret Service. A couple of days ago it was announced that the local cops had made radios available to the SS but the radios hadn't been collected.

The same day in a seperate news item it was announced that the five SS planners involved in the event had been assigned to administrative duties.

It's not exactly like there's a news vacuum.

[R650R]

Anyway all of the informed sources that I have read seem to agree that the US exit was a complete clusterfuck that left a power vacuum that the Taliban walked into. Boom. Instant dark ages because of their stupid religion and even stupider politics.

Hopefully when Kamala is elected it will signal the rising of the matriarchy. I honestly believe if women were in charge then life would be better. It would also free up my time for being decorative and for activities. Its a win win. The patriarchy is a lot of tedious hassle.

Could leaving Afghanistan as a mess have been a strategic move. With NATO vs Russia looming it could be handy having a stockpile of weapons and mercanaries sitting there to cause untold problems for Russia in south.
Couple of phone calls and youÂ’ve bought yourself a warlord all you need is a few air transports raining cash, ammo and spare parts into the mix.Even as a jumping off point to insert western special forces it would be invaluable.

Well weÂ’ve had several powerful women leaders in this country and whether you agree with their politics or not there was no epic transformation of society and the results have been mixed. Jenny Shipley, Helen Clarke and Jacinda Adern.
In the world stage you had Margaret Thatcher lead Falklands war (no instant world peace) and the coal miners and their families suddenly unemployed probably shocked about it. Germany has Angela Merkel, Italy and Finland also have female leaders.
IÂ’ve no problems with women leaders but I donÂ’t think itÂ’s the magic pill to fix societies problems.The real issue is most political systems revolve around only having to provide good results once every three to four years.

[R650R]

A bit more comedy. Does both sides and last half bit out of date now Biden is out but it’s a good laugh mostly at Trumps expense no surprise. The bit about bragging about felony counts is hilarious as it’s actually something so stupid trump is likely to do it himself

[pritch]

In case anybody still believes Trump is a stable genius...

On September 5th Trump is planning to host an awards ceremony at Mar A Lago. This event is to celebrate heroes of his Jan 6 coup attempt who will be present for the event. Consorting with felons would constitute a breech of the release conditions imposed by the court(s) and would render him liable to immediate imprisonment.

It's difficult to determine whether he is really *that* stupid or actually wants to be locked up.

[Grumph]

In case anybody still believes Trump is a stable genius...

On September 5th Trump is planning to host an awards ceremony at Mar A Lago. This event is to celebrate heroes of his Jan 6 coup attempt who will be present for the event. Consorting with felons would constitute a breech of the release conditions imposed by the court(s) and would render him liable to immediate imprisonment.

It's difficult to determine whether he is really *that* stupid or actually wants to be locked up.

He's a prominent example of the narcissistic, entitled class of person who simply don't believe the rules apply to them.