I mean, Hollywood represents a very small voting block in one state that is heavily blue.Originally Posted by Pursang
So, No....
The Majestic Metal Wizard
I mean, Hollywood represents a very small voting block in one state that is heavily blue.
So, No....
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
Wot no hair net?
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Rasta Ratskins
And this, sir, is the face-dunk basket.
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
The Majestic Metal Wizard
- Watches the heavily edited clip on CNN
- Watches the full, in context Clip elsewhere.
- Notes the laughing either side of it clearly indicating he is cracking a Joke.
Now - what was it I said earlier?
You just proved my point, yet again.
He sure did, and the Democrats did everything to stop the wall being built. Now - I want to ask this - we had 4 years of illegal Migration stats under Trump and 4 years of illegal Migration stats under Biden - which set looks better - go on.
Convicted Felon - On a misdemeanor that had expired the statute of limitations that they used a convoluted (and never tried before...) means to upgrade to a Felony
Proven Sexual offender - Only with the much lower standard of Civil court - the preponderance of evidence as opposed to beyond all reasonable doubt.
Everyone always says that - but I can honest say I do not watch Fox news, ever. The facts that you state are subject to a lot of interpretation - case in point - your IVF statement - Blaming the media for dishonestly clipping a joke and making it out to be a statement of fact (for example) is a perfect example.
I looked at the first few - and again we have lies and more lies from CNN, even when they concede that there is a factual basis for what Trump said - they still brand it a Lie.
Case in point Trump says Harris doesnt do interviews. To any native speaker and anyone paying attention to this election cycle - it is pretty clear what he meant - she has done maybe 1 or 2 - the most recent one being terrible. Trump has done a myriad (including all the Podcast circuit). CNN then go on to acknowledge this but then call it a Lie anyway because she has done 1. It is completely dishonest on the part of CNN.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
I am curious - I read the entire article - and for someone who has studied Fascism for 4 whole years - she never actually talks about the Fascist ideology or explains *exactly* why Trump is a Fascist.
She just asserts it.
Clearly, a very well read and learned 4 whole years of studying...
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Hardcore Biker
How about another renowned Historian? - Ruth Ben-Ghiat Oct 17, 2024... https://lucid.substack.com/p/is-trump-a-fascist
"I stand by what I wrote in 2021: in some ways, the label of Fascism is too reductive for Trump, who praises Communist dictators as much as he praises the Fascistic leaders Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban. More recently, with his suggestion that the U.S. military could be used on “the enemy within,” i.e. for domestic repression, Trump channels Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet more than Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini, who had their blackshirt and brownshirt militias and paramilitaries and secret police for domestic operations".
"Yet it is beyond doubt that Trump has provided a new stage and a new context for Fascist ideologies and practices, many of which have roots in American extremist traditions and histories as well".
"The similarities are myriad, and it was my knowledge of the history of Fascism that allowed me to see how dangerous Trump was from the start. It is telling that those who know the most about the threats Trump represents, because of their access to intelligence and national security information, are now speaking out and labeling Trump as “fascist to the core.”
That is a quote from Gen. Mark Milley, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as cited in a new book by Bob Woodward, to consider alongside former Secretary of State, Senator, and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s labeling of Trump’s recent rhetoric about immigrants and other “enemies” as “blatantly fascist.”
Trump is what a Fascist demagogue looks like in 2024 America, and Trumpism aims to defeat our democracy and establish a form of governance that would have strong similarities with Fascism as well as other experiences of authoritarianism. Those are the stakes of this election."
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Yes... An Authoritarian whose key campaign promise is to shrink the size of the Federal government and limit the power and scope of Government Agencies.
*Deep Breath*
But even if we put that part to the side (which is a pretty massive part to excuse) - She says things like:
Drain the swamp is borrowed from Il Duce (Mussilini) and provides a link to another blog post of hers - Her Evidence? Mussilini tried to hide Italian problems from tourists and drained some swamps.
Not that he used the phrase, not that it was a campaign promise, not that the Phrase 'Drain the Swamp' as used by Trump has any philosophical lineage to any of Mussilinis speeches or policies.
For the record - I cannot stand Vox - but looking at the experts they contacted - Roger Griffin in particular - as a far more cited expert than Ruth - none of them agree that Trump is a Fascist... but the best bit is... it is including Ruth Ben-Ghiat saying he is not a Fascist....
And all of them are hostile towards Trump, what is interesting is the common theme - he is an Individualist, not a collectivist (see the above part about shrinking the size of the government - yknow - that Classic Fascist move....)
Ruth is entitled to her opinion - but I think the problem she is, is that she is now hysterical that Trump is going to win and is trying to throw out every accusation against Trump she can to try and prevent him winning.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Hardcore Biker
Hardcore Biker
Maga = nazi
Kiwibiker
Trumps abject corruption for the one judge he has ever said anything nice about, before she even rendered her completely corrupt decision.
And to settle the nazi discussion, lets hear it from his former chief of staff. He knows trump personally if course and has seen the criminals actions first hand. This puts that discussion to bed.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/23/g-s1-...scist-dictator
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Ah, the John Kelly claims - the ones that are disputed by multiple people saying that the quotes are false.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Kiwibiker
^Your previous posts in this thread in breathless defense of near all things trump render your comments as essentially being propaganda. You need new material. When ever I have chosen to dig deep into your posts and be relentless at digging for more actual facts from you, your "points" most often evaporate into big nothings - ala your barbershop blues and I'm still waiting for you to show me a larger right wing media organization than fox in the USA. Hint, there is not one.
Just as in this case. Kelly said it in an interview mate. took me 10 seconds to find that out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-ke...taff-on-trump/
The fall of TDL is sad, once a fairly serious debater, now just a propagandist for a criminal.
I hope you make it back to true conservatism one day - the world democracies needs the balance of it. Supporting the criminal facist who is burning it to the ground is just mind boggling.
Forum whore
TDL loves trump in all things and probably wishes we had a similar PM / dictator here. Sometimes i wish the same, especially the bit about sending immigrants, both legal and non legal, back to their home countries. I'm sure TDL would love to be back in UK under Starmer
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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The Majestic Metal Wizard
Larger - in what sense - I do not know where this obsession with me and Fox news comes from - I do not subscribe to Fox news, I do not watch Fox news in any regular capacity - the only exception is when they have things like full coverage of a Debate - and even then - if CNN has the same coverage of the thing I want to watch and comes up higher in the search results - I am just as likely to watch it via CNN.
In terms of outright size - yes, Fox is probably the largest - but when we factor in size vs reach, it gets more murky.
For example - on YouTube - Fox News has 12 million Subscribers, they put out videos nearly every hour. most getting tens of thousands of views.
Then you compare to say Ben Shapiros YouTube channel - 7 million subscribers, less content, but much higher engagement.
If you look at Trump doing the Podcast interview circuit - I have seen him on the Shawn Ryan show (Ex Navy Seal, CIA Contractor), The Undertakers podcast (WWE Hall of Famer), Theo Von (not sure how you would classify him) Valuetainment etc.
These long-form interviews where people of different backgrounds get to ask Trump about issues they are passionate about and allow Trump to speak at length on them.
I will note as well that at least one of them (Shawn Ryan) has made an explicit and public offer to Harris to do the same. And FWIW - I would probably listen to that. I remember when Bernie Sanders was on Joe Rogan, I didnt agree with much that Bernie said - but I found it interesting to listen to his point of view.
These smaller (in terms of outright size) that are less 30 second soundbites, but longer discussions are IMO what is driving the Right Wing conversation in the Anglosphere (and to be fair, there are equivalent Left-Wing sources)
Fox news for me represents a background noise - lots of low-quality videos that are generally not worth it. At least when Tucker was working for them, it was occassionally interesting (there is much I dont agree with Tucker on), same too with Megyn Kelly.
Is Fox news driving debate or discussion or policy - I do not think so to any meaningful extent. Often they are behind the ball on any cultural issues - case in point - LibsofTikTok simply reposting what certain people are freely posting on the internet, but to a Conservative audience to make them aware of what they are saying and doing.
To end - it is not a defense of all things Trump, I am going to reference again Ben Shapiro - who I enjoy listening to, despite disagreeing a lot with him on various issues (mainly the issues where he has an opinion informed by his Jewish faith) - Ben has been very critical on Trump on certain issues - and despite disagreeing with Ben on some of these critiques, I find them to be fair critiques. For example, Ben takes issue with Trumps tweeting (I personally like it) and his beavior around Women. Both of which are completely valid from a certain perspective.
What Ben is not doing is taking Trump cracking a joke or engaging in his over-the-top New Yorker-esque hyperbole (everything is the biggest, greatest, best etc.) and claiming every little thing is a lie or deception or proof of whatever the claim du joure is.
If the Mainstream left-wing media was to fairly criticise Trump, you might find that they get more mileage with the undecided swing voter - but as I said elsewhere - they have cried wolf too many times.
And the result - well, I look at Real Clear Politics for their aggregated polls - and across all the Swing states - Trump is ahead (and we have to remember that Polling consistently underestimated Trump in the last 2 election cycles)
The comment attributed to Trump, praising Geman generals - as claimed by Kelly is disputed by multiple other people. I do not deny Kelly has said things.
That presupposes I think him a Criminal - I do no not - I have given my reasons and I know we disagree on this point.
I stand by the notion that Conservatism at the moment exists on the axis of Individualism - Less regulation, smaller government, more personal rights and responsibilities. Is Trump perfect - No, but when I look at say the abject failure of the UK Conservatives, He looks pretty damn good - his push back against the university educated, soft-left managerial mid-level beaurocrat is something that I see as necessary. To quote that infamous conservative comedian George Carlin: You dont need a formal conspiracy, these people went to the same schools, studying the same things, are in the same social circles and have the same interests.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Yes, I wish Luxton was more Trumpish - that said, National have been a pleasant surprise and seem to be doing what they said they would be doing - so long as it continues, I can live with it.
Yes, Trump wants to deport Illegal Migrants - as should every other sane Politician in every country - the fact that this is even a debate is wild to me - when 20 years ago, this was an uncontested point between Left and Right.
As for sending Legal Migrants back - I think this refers to refugees - and that is a more complex question - which is contingent on whether or not you think the refugees are legitimate and whether or not they are having a negative impact. The UK is famously struggling with that question.
However, since I am neither Refugee nor here Illegally - Even in Trumps most fevered of fever dreams, I would be staying put.
But yes - Keir Starmer is a joke, but then to be fair - the Conservatives were hadly any better.
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