Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

The ongoing fallout from The Madison Square Garden rally is mildly amusing. It may have been that Trump was tone deaf but I think it more likely the choice of venue was deliberate. There were huge pro NAZI rallies at Madison Square Garden in the 1930s and it should have been obvious that comparisons would be made.

And people say I reach...

The MSG of today is *not* the same MSG of the 1930s.

And maybe - they used the MSG for the following reasons:

- It is a famous New York venue
- It has hosted many Political campaigns (Both DNC and GOP)
- Trump is a big Wrestling, Boxing and MMA fan - and the MSG has a long and storied history with WWE and Boxing

[Pursang]

......Knowing my previous opinions on the Man, if I continued to espouse the exact same opinions - would you say I am corrupt?.

Your Overwhelming Fantasy of someone creating a Libertarian Wonderland does appear to have corrupted your Moral, Legal and Financial common sense.

For you, there is Nothing that trump and his cronies have done, said, proposed or threatened that you consider is disqualifying for their assuming 'control' of the USA.

Examples: Sexual assault, Business fraud, restricting medical services for women, tariff war is not great but OK, using the Presidential role for personal financial gain, Stealing Top Secret documents: All OK with you!

This very much says as much about you, as it does about them!

[TheDemonLord]

Your Overwhelming Fantasy of someone creating a Libertarian Wonderland does appear to have corrupted your Moral, Legal and Financial common sense.

For you, there is Nothing that trump and his cronies have done, said, proposed or threatened that you consider is disqualifying for their assuming 'control' of the USA.

Examples: Sexual assault, Business fraud, restricting medical services for women, tariff war is not great but OK, using the Presidential role for personal financial gain, Stealing Top Secret documents: All OK with you!

This very much says as much about you, as it does about them!

Your argument is predicated on all of those being true.

Sexual Assault - There is a reason why this was Civil - because the evidence was laughable. I will give you one Example - we have Stormy Daniels in 2018 talking with Bill Maher (Notorious Trump supporter...) saying emphatically how it was consensual, not assault etc. Then later on, she changes her tune. Just like all the others who were darlings and fans of Trump, right up until he ran for President.

Business Fraud - This one gets bandied around a lot - with people claiming any lawsuit is proof of Fraud. At a certain level of Business, if you are not being Sued - you are not doing anything. All I see here is typical of large corporates. If you want to say that it is still bad - fair enough, I can agree with that - but to make it out to be some form of character flaw or failing when it is the accepted way of doing things is a stretch.

Restricting Medical Services for Women - Nope. Trump did no such thing. The Supreme Court repealed a bad legal decision (Roe vs Wade) and returned the issue to the individual States. If Congress wanted to settle this, they could add an Amendment to the Constitution.

Tariffs - I dont like Tariffs per se, but in the case of countries operating quasi-slave labour, adding them to offset the those issues is acceptable.

Presidential role for personal gain - Trump lost money by being President. On the flipside, you have the likes of Nancy Pelosi...

Stealing Top Secret Documents - Again, this is a world away from the Truth. If I tell you i have what I believe to be unclassified documents in my possession and then under your advise, I put additional locks on them - how on earth is that Stealing - and that is before we get to the ruling for Biden - which is Innocent mistakes should not be punished....


There are things one can criticize Trump fairly on - I conceded that his explanation of Tariffs and who pays them is incorrect (although his follow-on point that it will encourage the use of internally produced goods - is correct).

Let me ask you in return:

Biden, Obama, GW Bush, Clinton - all Presidents in my lifetime.

Clinton: I did not have sexual relations with that Woman - According to your moral standards - no better than Trump: Is Bill Clinton not fit to be President in your estimation

GW Bush: The Iraq War - I do not weap for the removal of Saddam (even if it was a mighty failure) but the whole Weapons of Mass Destruction lie, which even as a Teenager I knew was a lie - Starting a 20 year war on a Lie - Is GW Bush not fit to be President in your estimation

Obama: King of the Drone Strikes, War in Syria - a man who should have united the country around Racial issues with an uplifting message of we truly can be anything we want to be, instead divided the country and created the situation in which Trump rose to prominence - Is Obama not fit to be President in your estimation

Biden: Massive Inflation, Terrible foreign policy, withdrawal from Afghanistan failure, Military ineptitude that created the conditions to embolden the likes of Russia and Hamas and whose Iran policy has been funding Terrorism - Is Biden not fit to be President in your estimation.

I am willing to bet that for all the ones listed - you will find some reason or another why they are fit to be President but you would not extend the same courtesy to Trump.

And thus I come to my point: It is a mere red herring - you dont like the Man and dont want him to President (fair enough) and so will cling to any excuse to try and delegitimize him.

[Berries]

Are we there yet?

[jim.cox]

Are we there yet?

Just six more sleeps
They are done
We are relieved
And the US is f*cked

[R650R]

Just six more sleeps
They are done
We are relieved
And the US is f*cked

Oh the passage of time…. As Kamala said
"The governor and I, we were all doing a tour of the library here and talking about the significance of the passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time. So, when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires. what we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time when we think about a day in the life of our children."

[sugilite:Me]

a mere parapet of text, you ok mate?

Just the fact corrupt Thomas has been accepting bribes from the nazi memorabilia collecting billionaire crow then ruling on cases that affect the man's bottom line would be abject corruption in most people's book.

Funny you should mention being paid by trump as with your high tolerance for corruption you would surely be regarded as a highly valued asset.

Now if I was put in charge of structuring the supreme court, this is what I would do. I would have the dem and maga parties nominate 7 judges each, then have a backup list of a few more (think list mp's style). Pay them 5 million each annually so the poor dears don't have to take bribes. (may seem high, but waaay less than 1 fighter jet)

Have a STRICT code of ethics, if they put a fucking toenail over the line they are gone, no future benifits and instantly replaced by next judge on the list.

If they have a hung decision, the current sitting president has the deciding vote, yes even if that president was orange vomit bucket.

I'm putting in 7 each side hoping at least 1 or 2 per side will do the right thing rather than the tribe before truth bullshit.

Imo a sugi sorted scotus looks waaay better than the pile of shit currently in place.

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[pritch]

Just six more sleeps
They are done
We are relieved
And the US is f*cked

Sadly not. The winner doesn't take office until 20/01/25. If Harris wins Trump will be crying and doing his stochastic terrorism thing until the 20th and beyond.

Hopefully Trump's new legal action in Pennsylvania is an indication that he knows he is losing.

[pritch]

Now if I was put in charge of structuring the supreme court, this is what I would do. I would have the dem and maga parties nominate 7 judges each,

The reason there are nine Justices is because at the time that number was chosen there were nine federal appeals districts. - one each. The population is bigger now and there are thirteen appeals districts. Currently some Justices oversee more than one district. If consistency was taken into account there would now be thirteen Justices.

Another change sought by some is term limits. Leaving the Justices there until they are senile doesn't seem smart but...

[sugilite:Me]

Another change sought by some is term limits. Leaving the Justices there until they are senile doesn't seem smart but...

Cheers for the info Pritch. I'm not concerned about term limits, as long as they are doing a good job, they can stay as long as they like in my book.



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[TheDemonLord]

Just the fact corrupt Thomas has been accepting bribes from the nazi memorabilia collecting billionaire crow then ruling on cases that affect the man's bottom line would be abject corruption in most people's book.

Did you know that Lemmy, from Motorhead - was famous for his collecting of Nazi Memorabilia.

Plenty of people with a WW2 interest collect Axis interest without any love of the ideaology.

The last part though is key - can you find rulings that go against the constitution that affect said bottom line?

And let me expand on that last part - I put it to you that Clarence reverting back to the constitution is undoing the corruption that has taken place over the last ~70 years.

Now if I was put in charge of structuring the supreme court, this is what I would do. I would have the dem and maga parties nominate 7 judges each, then have a backup list of a few more (think list mp's style). Pay them 5 million each annually so the poor dears don't have to take bribes. (may seem high, but waaay less than 1 fighter jet)

Have a STRICT code of ethics, if they put a fucking toenail over the line they are gone, no future benifits and instantly replaced by next judge on the list.

If they have a hung decision, the current sitting president has the deciding vote, yes even if that president was orange vomit bucket.

I'm putting in 7 each side hoping at least 1 or 2 per side will do the right thing rather than the tribe before truth bullshit.

Imo a sugi sorted scotus looks waaay better than the pile of shit currently in place.

Interesting idea - but an equal 7 vs 7 and having the president as the Tie breaker would go against the conceptual separation of powers in the US (President is the Executive, SC is the Judiciary).

However, here is my counter - a big part of the failings of the US, is - IMO - Congress failing to do its job properly. Both sides submit Amendments that only benefit their side - and so they fail.

The issue is not the Supreme Court. The issue is Congress trying to side-step the deliberate roadblocks to federal overeach when it is conveinient. Instead of properly seeking to amend the constitution when there is a need for additional federal changes.

Take for example the FBI - now, this is no shade against the FBI, but from a constitutional point of view - should not exist. Yes, they do have a Mandate via the USC - but my point is, as a Federal entity, they should draw their power from the Constitution. And yes, that goes for just about every federal agency that seeks to have any for of executive power over the individual (EPA, ATF, IRS etc. etc.)

And so, whilst I like some elements of your idea - ultimately it does not matter if you had 7v7 or 700v700 - the issue is the usage of the Supreme court by both sides to 'Get their own way' - when they cannot do it via either legislation or constitutional amendment.

What I would like to see - is the ability for the Supreme Court to push an issue back to Congress to legislate on it: e.g. 'This issue is not clear - so re-write the law and pass it' rather than making a decision on the existing legislation that is half-assed.

As an aside - something I think that is of interest, not so much the first half - but the last half, listen to how Joe talks about what the left *used* to be - I saw a different video of Ana Kasparian, of The Young Turks fame talking about how she is leaving the Democrat party - Does the points sound familiar:

[Laava]

Just six more sleeps
They are done
We are relieved
And the US is f*cked

If they vote that fat orange cunt in they fucken well deserve him!

[F5 Dave]

Just the fact corrupt Thomas has been accepting bribes from the nazi memorabilia collecting billionaire crow then ruling on cases that affect the man's bottom line would be abject corruption in most people's book.

Funny you should mention being paid by trump as with your high tolerance for corruption you would surely be regarded as a highly valued asset.

Now if I was put in charge of structuring the supreme court, this is what I would do. I would have the dem and maga parties nominate 7 judges each, then have a backup list of a few more (think list mp's style). Pay them 5 million each annually so the poor dears don't have to take bribes. (may seem high, but waaay less than 1 fighter jet)

Have a STRICT code of ethics, if they put a fucking toenail over the line they are gone, no future benifits and instantly replaced by next judge on the list.

If they have a hung decision, the current sitting president has the deciding vote, yes even if that president was orange vomit bucket.

I'm putting in 7 each side hoping at least 1 or 2 per side will do the right thing rather than the tribe before truth bullshit.

Imo a sugi sorted scotus looks waaay better than the pile of shit currently in place.

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Well I'd vote for you if that was a thing.

[husaberg]

If they vote that fat orange cunt in they fucken well deserve him!

Over half of the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 51% held college degrees.
Whilst the majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%)
White voters without college degrees made up a majority (54%) of Republican voters in 2022, compared with 27% of Democratic voters.

Well I'd vote for you if that was a thing.

Start a poll

[Kb2020dope]

Hey team,

I have noticed a lot of anger on this thread over the last couple of days. I believe this is due to many of you left wing faithful are starting to realise the United States of America has common sense. In 6 days Trump will begin to make America great again.

I can't vote in this election and neither can the majority of people on this thread. Therefore we should not take the result to seriously and we certainly can't control it.

Let's see what happens in 6 days and then potentially take a stronger focus on our own politics and more importantly life in the fast lane!

Ngā Mihi