Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Stylo]

It is actually more interesting than that.

Much of it is re-stocking the US own Military stores.

It works something like this - almost all equipment has a shelf-life, say the US was to give $100,000,000 in aid to a foreign country - what they do is:

Donate a bunch of equipment that is close to expiring
Spend the amount donated on buying new equipment from the usual suspects (Raytheon, Lockheed Martin etc.)
Put the brand new equipment into the US Military inventory

I'd like to know a bit more detail about Donald's plans on using warfare to take back the Panama canal. His strategy on taking over Greenland ?( a Nato ally ) And, his plans on making Canada another state of the USA ? It's a Sovereign

country . It's like making New Zealand another state of the USA. Or, Australia.

Also, I'd like to know how he will go about re-naming the Gulf of Mexico to the 'Gulf of America' . He said it, he spoke about it at length. So, how will he do all of these things and, when will it happen ?

He's the President elect. I'm sure my questions will be easy to answer for those more aligned to Trump than I am.











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3QVK1cFqQs

[Dean]

No, that's silly. Trump would like to break Nato up because that's what Putin wants him to do and Trump is Putin's boy. He uses the excuse that Nato countries aren't paying. Putin's invasion of Ukraine caused Nato member States to up their military spending.

Trump simply called out the dole bludgers of the NATO alliance, in particular those who continually failed to meet their individual defence spending commitments under the NATO rules and regulations (% of GDP), without any serious infractions, letting Trump pick up the bill.

According to NATO’s Article 5, the US are obligated to come to any members defence when under attack. Geographically and politically, this is unlikely to take place in the US, smaller nations like Montenegro benefit from a US funded and protected alliance.

Trump would never remove the US from NATO - the military industrial complex would not allow it & neither would myself and many other Americans who hold millions of dollars of shares in Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

[Kickaha]

I just dispute their efficacy.

Your standard practice no matter what

[husaberg]

Trump simply called out the dole bludgers of the NATO alliance, in particular those who continually failed to meet their individual defence spending commitments under the NATO rules and regulations (% of GDP), without any serious infractions, letting Trump pick up the bill.

According to NATOÂ’s Article 5, the US are obligated to come to any members defence when under attack. Geographically and politically, this is unlikely to take place in the US, smaller nations like Montenegro benefit from a US funded and protected alliance.

Trump would never remove the US from NATO - the military industrial complex would not allow it & neither would myself and many other Americans who hold millions of dollars of shares in Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

This is some funny stuff troll.


Trump doesn't pick up the Bill. Nato spending is Nato spending. it's not a meal where its cost x dollars and if it comes up short trump has to pay the difference.....
NATO article 5 Actually obliges all members to come to the aid of the other not just the USA.
The fact you tried to manipulate this to be only a US issue is pretty funny, or a reflection on your lack of intelligence, or both.

if you actually have a look at a map A lot of Nato members are further away from Russia than the USA is. In fact most are multi countries apart compare to the adjoining USA and Canada.
Most of the US spending its directly on themselves to protect itself from a Russian attack not to protect Europe.
The US has arms and troops not to protect Europe but for training and to project power.

for instance let's look at troop numbers


In total, NATO has around 3.5 million soldiers and personnel. The United States has only 1.33 million of those troops.
so that means they are providing more troops then the US is far far more in fact.

Not only that trump seemed to forget that Europe provides facilities for US bases.
Lets see the Yanks if they had to send their personal back from Europe
11 years ago the Pentagon stated NATO Allies covered 34 percent of the United States’ European basing costs, worth $2.5 billion annually. imagine the cost now.
Trump forgot to add that in....
Defence analysts say It would cost us more money to bring the troops home than to keep them in Europe.
Not only that the US military is well know for inefficient spending.
So why does the dollars matter if a billion of us spending doesn't add equivalent value to 500 million spending from France.
Not to mention most of the land area NATO protects is in the USA.
The United States is 9,833,517 square kilometres in total area
Yet the entire EU area is only the European Union's (EU) land area was 3,996,695 square kilometres in 2022.

Anyway, Keep up the mediocre trolling.

[Dean]

This is some funny stuff troll.

But If my opinions on Trump were considered trolling to you - by your own accord you just played yourself into devoting your time and energy in an attempt to disprove me with novels of your own research, no?

Time you could have spent with your family, gone for a bike ride etc.

If you can muster the self control to have a respectful debate - I can reply to your points.

[husaberg]

But If my opinions on Trump were considered trolling to you - by your own accord you just played yourself into devoting your time and energy in an attempt to disprove me with novels of your own research, no?'

Time you could have spent with your family, gone for a bike ride etc.

If you can muster the self control to have a respectful debate - I can reply to your points.

You are more likely to express milk than a well considered opinion.
You can't debate otherwise you would. You just run, hide and deflect. or even funnier attempt to puff your chest out and bluster.
You don't seem to understand you are not eliciting anger or any emotional response other than pity. You also don't understand embarrassing trolls like you has its own rewards as it's funny. No one is buying your act. A little energy is being devoted towards you. Just like in life on KB you are pretty much mediocre and irrelevant.
when you get over your own emotional feel free to embarrass yourself further by offering your rebuttal or more of "your own opinions"

[Dean]

You are more likely to express milk than a well considered opinion.
You can't debate otherwise you would. You just run, hide and deflect. or even funnier attempt to puff your chest out and bluster.
You don't seem to understand you are not eliciting anger or any emotional response other than pity. You also don't understand embarrassing trolls like you has its own rewards as it's funny. No one is buying your act. A little energy is being devoted towards you. Just like in life on KB you are pretty much mediocre and irrelevant.
when you get over your own emotional feel free to embarrass yourself further by offering your rebuttal or more of "your own opinions"

Errr ok…..is everything good at home/work? Are you ok?

No need to reply to me past midnight, or at all - spend that time doing productive things. Work on the bike, study some books etc. There is no pressure to respond to this either btw so don’t feel compelled to.

Now back to the topic of the thread - unfortunately, I have now put you on ignore (or some call it neutering a person these days?) anyways I will resume my good and respectful conversations with multiple other good relevant folks and friends on here re Trump and many other topics. That is the beauty of freedom on KB.

Take care,
Dean.

[sugilite:Me]

So in this instance you would be a dole bludger, a WINZ beneficiary, angry that the man who funds a big part of your lifestyle wants some recognition.

Wholesale disparaging remarks towards beneficiaries as a whole aside, you do realize it is not trump personally paying the bill eh? For the record, I do feel these nato countries should be paying what they agreed upon.

Trump simply called out the dole bludgers of the NATO alliance, in particular those who continually failed to meet their individual defence spending commitments under the NATO rules and regulations (% of GDP), without any serious infractions, letting Trump pick up the bill.

And again. It is almost as if you see trump as a dictator!

Trump would never remove the US from NATO - the military industrial complex would not allow it & neither would myself and many other Americans who hold millions of dollars of shares in Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

You don't know what trump would do. And here is that odd "I'm an american" stuff coming from you again! huh? I also find it so odd that a christian would invest in shares of companies that produce weapons designed to kill people. If Jesus came back to the planet, do you think he would advocate for investment in war weapons companies?

But If my opinions on Trump were considered trolling to you - by your own accord you just played yourself into devoting your time and energy in an attempt to disprove me with novels of your own research, no?

If you can muster the self control to have a respectful debate - I can reply to your points.

There were extremely good points in that research, but you appear to have taken the snowflake off ramp to avoid having to answer some hard questions?

Errr ok…..is everything good at home/work? Are you ok?

No need to reply to me past midnight, or at all - spend that time doing productive things. Work on the bike, study some books etc. There is no pressure to respond to this either btw so don’t feel compelled to.

I have to ask - you and your conjoined brother dope seem to feel you both have this mandate and mana to layout terms and rules of engagement and reply. You both make suggestions on how people should be otherwise spending their time while you yourselves are doing pretty much the same thing - huh?

Now back to the topic of the thread - unfortunately, I have now put you on ignore (or some call it neutering a person these days?) anyways I will resume my good and respectful conversations with multiple other good relevant folks and friends on here re Trump and many other topics. That is the beauty of freedom on KB.

Take care,
Dean.

Well, as long as your rules are followed eh Dean?


It is a real shame that trump has turned the gop into a party of wailing snowflakes. What a stark contrast this last jan 6th was over the last one. Despite 50 lost court challenges and zero proof the election was stolen, the gop wailed and cried, then continued to do so for 4 year. Contrast that with the dems last week, they stoically backed the election results and certified it with no wailing or crying to be seen. I don't have much respect for the dems or like that many of their policies, however they still have a certain amount of class. Where as the gop are just the party of trump dick suckers and arsehole lickers.

[TheDemonLord]

for instance let's look at troop numbers

Lets not, lets look at Military spending as a percentage of GDP and all those NATO countries who spend less than 2 percent.

[TheDemonLord]

I'd like to know a bit more detail about Donald's plans on using warfare to take back the Panama canal. His strategy on taking over Greenland ?( a Nato ally ) And, his plans on making Canada another state of the USA ? It's a Sovereign

country . It's like making New Zealand another state of the USA. Or, Australia.

Also, I'd like to know how he will go about re-naming the Gulf of Mexico to the 'Gulf of America' . He said it, he spoke about it at length. So, how will he do all of these things and, when will it happen ?

He's the President elect. I'm sure my questions will be easy to answer for those more aligned to Trump than I am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3QVK1cFqQs

If I ask you for a billion dollars, then we negotiate down to say just $10,000,000 - you think you have done a great job in negotiating me down - but if I only wanted $1,000,000 I have done a great job in getting what I want.

I will be honest - the Greenland one is a bit odd, some military commentators have suggested it is (again) about getting European countries to take their defence seriously, others have pointed to historical concerns about Greenland as a strategic interest of the US.

I am waiting to see what comes of this.

Same with Canada.

The Gulf of America is just hilarious. Afterall, it is the Falkland Islands, not the malvinas or whatever.

[TheDemonLord]

Your standard practice no matter what

Usually because they are more about political theatre than any attempt at truth finding.

[sugilite:Me]

The whole trump Canada, Greenland, Panama canal thing is trumps way of keeping the spotlight on him, and off musk.

[TheDemonLord]

Contrast that with the dems last week, they stoically backed the election results and certified it with no wailing or crying to be seen. I don't have much respect for the dems or like that many of their policies, however they still have a certain amount of class.

It is easier to look magnanimous in defeat when it has been complete.

I am still curious to where the ~7 Million passionate voters for Biden went in 4 years. They disapeared almost as if they never existed. The results of the 2024 election have confirmed my belief that the 2020 election was abnormal.

[TheDemonLord]

The whole trump Canada, Greenland, Panama canal thing is trumps way of keeping the spotlight on him, and off musk.

To be fair - Musk currently has been ripping UK Labour to shreds over the grooming gang scandals - and I am 100 percent here for it.

I dunno, I am happy.

[sugilite:Me]

*Correction, 4+ years of baseless wailing over the fake "stolen election" premise. And in the meantime, trumps old puckered arsehole remains spotless.