Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

Okay - Where in his Statement does he say that:

On X before the one you cherry picked to suit your point ;-)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo

But President Petro appeared to object to the return of deportees on military rather than civilian flights - and to the way the migrants may be treated on those military flights.

In his posts on X, Petro referenced a news video showing migrants deported from the US to Brazil, who had been handcuffed and had their feet restrained during the deportation flight.

I see nothing about Military planes or handcuffs. I do, however, see lots of references to leftist talking points - Calling everyone you dont like Fascists, Just Stop Oil etc.

Well if the dicktators henchmens heil hitler saluting hat fits

Sauce?

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[pritch]

Some of the Jan 6ers Trump pardoned might have used their time better. One was almost immediately arrested and sent back to prison. In Indiana another got into an altercation with police which resulted in him being shot dead.

[1/32 man]

It is the Left wing Globalist philosophy.

I thought globalism was the work of rightwing dimshits but maybe I am getting confused with Populism which is definitely a right wing thing.

Okay, hear me out

nope

[onearmedbandit]

Some of the Jan 6ers Trump pardoned might have used their time better. One was almost immediately arrested and sent back to prison. In Indiana another got into an altercation with police which resulted in him being shot dead.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[TheDemonLord]

On X before the one you cherry picked to suit your point ;-)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo

But President Petro appeared to object to the return of deportees on military rather than civilian flights - and to the way the migrants may be treated on those military flights.

In his posts on X, Petro referenced a news video showing migrants deported from the US to Brazil, who had been handcuffed and had their feet restrained during the deportation flight.

Okay, Fair - I just saw his full statement on the matter.

However, one has to point out... Complaining about Criminals being handcuffed... Seems a little bit... performative, doesnt it.

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To be fair, its not that I wouldnt sell to Marxists.... It is just they dont have their own money to pay for anything...

[TheDemonLord]

I thought globalism was the work of rightwing dimshits but maybe I am getting confused with Populism which is definitely a right wing thing.

Populism is not on the Left-Right Spectrum.

When I say Globalism - the context I am referring to is a very specific type of person, often University educated, middle class who believes the world would be a perfect place if everyone acted as they did.

They sincerely believe that you can take someone out of essentially a tribalistic society, insert them into a modern democracy and they will immediately see the error of their ways and adopt western values of Liberty, Equality etc.

The Left-wing aspect of this theory comes from wanting to break down borders and categories. If I create a category for something - then necessarily there will be things inside the category and things outside the category. If that leads to a disparate outcome (either real or imagined) - then that must be due to discrimination and therefore to get rid of discrimination, we must abolish all categorization.

Yes, there is a right wing movement that is opposed to this sort of view point.

nope

So far, Trump seems to be doing what is needed - so it is less hear me out - but more - let us see the proof in the pudding.

[sugilite:Me]

Okay, Fair - I just saw his full statement on the matter.

However, one has to point out... Complaining about Criminals being handcuffed... Seems a little bit... performative, doesnt it.

That is the beauty of trumbastic, every migrant is a criminal! Though I'm sure closer to the truth would be similar to the trump administration to being too lazy to vet which jan 6th convict to release, thus any Colombian illegal immigrant at all would have been snapped up for those flights with handcuffs applied. Remember, it is not actually technically a crime to be in the USA without the right papers.

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[TheDemonLord]

That is the beauty of trumbastic, every migrant is a criminal! Though I'm sure closer to the truth would be similar to the trump administration to being too lazy to vet which jan 6th convict to release, thus any Colombian illegal immigrant at all would have been snapped up for those flights with handcuffs applied. Remember, it is not actually technically a crime to be in the USA without the right papers.

I mean, every Illegal Migrant is a Criminal.

Because whilst it might not be a crime to be in the USA without the right papers, it is a crime to illegally cross the border and it is illegal to overstay a Visa or be present without a visa.

However - they are going after people with Criminal convictions in the US - so yeah, they are Criminals.

As for Jan 6th - Someone who was held for 3-4 years on effectively political charges, without trial... Gee I wonder why someone like that might have a wee bit of a Grudge against the Government...

[Hairymcsweary]

I have tried to stay out of this thread, but reading the cheering for the orange buffoon "winning" against Columbia when the facts are the opposite is doing my head in. Below is a copy of a post from Heather Cox Richardson with sources. Look her up, she has helped me to understand the cesspool that is American politics. Sources are posted below as well. Sorry for the wall of text.

January 27, 2025 (Monday)
Yesterday, President Donald Trump began a trade war with Colombia after that country’s president refused to permit two U.S. military airplanes full of deportees to land in Colombia. As Regina Garcia Cano and Astrid Suárez of the Associated Press pointed out, Colombia and the U.S. had an existing agreement for deportations under former president Joe Biden, and it accepted 475 deportation flights from 2020 to 2024, accepting 124 flights in 2024 alone. But the Biden administration used commercial and charter flights, while as national security analyst Juliette Kayyem noted, Trump used a military plane that arrived unannounced.
As Tim Naftali of Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs explained: “If a foreign country tries to land its military planes—except in an emergency—without an existing agreement that is an infringement of sovereignty.” Colombia rejected the military planes without prior authorization and offered the use of its presidential plane instead.
Colombia also asked the U.S. to provide notice and decent treatment for its people, an issue that had been raised and resolved in 2023 after migrants arrived in hand and foot cuffs. Colombian president Gustavo Petro noted that the U.S. had committed that it would guarantee dignified conditions for the repatriation of migrants. The plane of migrants landed in Honduras, where Colombia sent its presidential plane to pick them up.
Trump announced that Colombia’s “denial of these flights has jeopardized the National Security and Public Safety of the United States,” and slapped a 25% tariff on products from Colombia, which include about $6 billion of crude petroleum, $1.8 billion of coffee, and $1.6 billion of cut flowers. In addition, he said, the U.S. would revoke the visas of all Colombian “Government Officials, and all Allies and Supporters.” He promptly deported Colombian staff members of the World Bank who were working for international diplomatic organizations in the U.S., and canceled visa appointments at Colombia’s U.S. Embassy.
Rather than backing down, President Petro threatened to levy a retaliatory tariff on U.S. products. Colombia imports 96.7% of the corn it feeds its livestock from the U.S., putting Colombia in the top five export markets for U.S. corn. According to a letter written by a bipartisan group of lawmakers eager to protect that trade, led by Senator Todd Young (R-IN), in 2023 the U.S. exported more than 4 million metric tons of corn to Colombia, which translated to $1.14 billion in sales. “American farmers cannot afford to lose such a vital export market,” the lawmakers wrote, “especially when access to the top U.S. corn export market, Mexico, is already at risk.”
By this morning the economic crisis appeared to be over, although U.S. visa restrictions apparently remain. With prior authorization and better treatment of migrants, Colombia is willing to accept the migrant flights. The White House declared victory, saying: “Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation's sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”
The administration’s handling of the situation with Colombia reveals that their power depends on convincing people to ignore reality and instead to believe in the fantasy world Trump dictates.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announced yesterday morning that “[d]eportation flights have begun.” In fact, nothing is “beginning.” In 2024, Colombia accepted on average more than two U.S. flights of migrants a week. And, as immigration scholar Austin Kocher noted, “everyone on this deportation flight was arrested and detained by the Biden administration.”
Over the past four years, Trump and MAGA Republicans repeatedly insisted that Biden had maintained “open borders,” while in fact, what the administration did was to try to address a situation made worse by the coronavirus pandemic.
As Katie Tobin of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace explains, before the coronavirus pandemic, Venezuela, where the economy was particularly bad under rising authoritarian Nicolás Maduro, sent migrants abroad. By June 2022, 6 million Venezuelans had fled their country; by September 2024, that number was 7.7 million. South American governments welcomed the Venezuelan migrants and others, including Haitians fleeing their country’s political chaos.
But as economies collapsed after the coronavirus crisis, Tobin explains, migrant populations that had settled in South American countries were forced out. From 2019 to 2021, Colombia’s per capita gross domestic product fell 4.6%; Peru’s, 5.3%; Ecuador’s, 2.8%; Brazil’s, 11.7%; and Venezuela’s, 20%. As the U.S. economy grew by 8.38%, Canada’s grew by 13.1%, and Mexico’s dropped only by 0.7%, migrants headed north. In September 2021, when 15,000 Haitians who had originally migrated to Brazil arrived at the U.S. border with Mexico, countries throughout the hemisphere realized that they needed a new regional approach to migration.
After nine months of negotiations, 21 countries announced that they had created a new migration pact for the Western Hemisphere. It provided economic support for Latin American countries that were original destinations for migrants, expanded formal pathways for immigration, and increased border security across the region.
Canada and Mexico were the first countries to buy into the new agreement. The U.S. turned next to strong ally Colombia, which agreed in March 2022, after which Vice President Kamala Harris brought on board Caribbean countries. By June 10, when the Los Angeles Declaration on Migration and Protection was announced, twenty-one nations had signed on. U.N. observers were present to demonstrate their support.
The Biden administration insisted that countries begin immediate action, and they did. Tobin notes that Belize, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Panama, and Peru have made sweeping new offers of legal status to hundreds of thousands of migrants already living in their countries, while Colombia has offered legal status to 2 million Venezuelans and Brazil has welcomed more than 500,000. Mexico and Guatemala have offered legal pathways to workers.
Canada, Costa Rica, Colombia, Ecuador, Guatemala, Spain, and the U.S. launched a virtual platform to enable migrants to apply for admission remotely. When Mexico agreed to accept Venezuelans who had crossed into the U.S. unlawfully and at the same time the U.S. announced a legal pathway for 24,000 Venezuelans, border crossings dropped 90% within a week. Biden and Mexican president Andrés Manuel López Obrador expanded that initiative to include Cubans, Haitians, and Nicaraguans.
By 2023, border arrests had fallen by about half. Although Congress failed to pass a strong bipartisan measure to increase border security and fund immigration courts, arrests fell by half again after Biden in June 2024 issued a proclamation that barred migrants from being granted asylum when U.S. officials deemed the border was overwhelmed. By the end of Biden’s term, unlawful border crossings had plummeted to lows that hadn’t been seen since June 2020.
There are new challenges to managing migration as wars, climate change, and economic pressures push migrants out of various parts of Africa and out of China. Many of those migrants are finding their way to Latin America and from there to the U.S. The U.N. Refugee Agency estimates that 117 million people were displaced by the end of 2023.
Trump won election in part by vowing to shut down immigration, and as soon as he took office he canceled the CBP One app, the virtual platform that allowed migrants to apply for asylum. During the campaign, he vowed to deport those migrants he claimed were criminals, which many interpreted to mean he would only remove those who had committed violent crimes (which the U.S. has always done). But in his first term, Trump’s people considered anyone who entered the U.S. outside of immigration law to be a criminal, and this appears to be the definition his people are using now.
Daily deportation raids in which U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested a few hundred people in sweeps began almost as soon as Trump took office. Josh Campbell, Andy Rose, and Nick Valencia of CNN reported that the federal government has flooded the media with video and photos of agents in tactical gear, their vests bearing the words “Police ICE” and “Homeland Security” as they lead individuals in handcuffs. The journalists report that this is not an accident: agents were told to have their agency names clearly displayed for the press.
The presence of television talk show host Dr. Phil (McGraw) with an ICE team in Chicago reinforces the sense that these arrests are designed for the cameras. So does yesterday’s report by Nick Miroff and Maria Sacchetti of the Washington Post that Trump is disappointed with the sweeps so far and has directed officials to ramp up arrests aggressively, providing quotas for ICE field offices. Today, new secretary of defense Pete Hegseth said the department will “shift” to “the defense of the territorial integrity of the United States of America at the southern border.”
Yesterday’s spat with Colombia’s president enabled Trump to declare victory, but Colombia has been the top U.S. ally in Latin America, a close partner in combating drug trafficking and managing migration. That relationship, which has taken years of careful cultivation, is now threatened.
Will Freeman of the Council on Foreign Relations, a think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy, posted: “I can’t think of many *worse* strategic blunders for the U.S., as it competes w/ China, than going nuclear against its oldest strategic ally & last big country in S. America where it enjoys a trade advantage…. Trump certainly expects that b[ecause] 1/3 of Colombian exports go to the U.S. Petro will be forced to back down. But Petro seems to welcome the fight & has already signaled wishes to deepen ties w/ China. Colombia will lose partnership on security it badly needs. Only China stands to gain from this.”
Indeed, China’s ambassador to Colombia promptly noted that “we are at the best moment of our diplomatic relations between China and Colombia, which are now 45 years old.”
Meanwhile, according to former ambassador Luis G. Moreno, the Trump administration has shut down 2,100 courses in the premier training facility for State Department foreign service officers, ostensibly because they are too associated with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Moreno adds: “Dismantling of a professional diplomatic corps is underway.”

Sources:
https://www.aljazeera.com/.../colombia-resumes-removal...
https://thehill.com/.../5107874-colo...o-us-trump.../
https://www.legistorm.com/.../young-leads-effort-to...
https://carnegieendowment.org/.../am...-migration-los...
https://apnews.com/.../immigration-biden-trump-cbp...
https://apnews.com/.../biden-asylum-...on-immigration...
https://www.justia.com/.../criminal-...r-deportation/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...ests-raids.../
https://www.cnn.com/.../immigration-raids.../index.html
https://www.cnn.com/.../colombia-tar....../index.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/190709/...st-quota-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/us-import-goods-colombia-oil...
https://www.pbs.org/.../trump-and-colombias-president...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../us/polit...h-defense.html
https://www.theguardian.com/.../trump-cbp-one-app...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../trump-visas-colombia-world...
https://www.npr.org/.../chinese-migr...outhern-border
https://apnews.com/.../colombia-visa...tation-flights...

[pritch]

I like sugilite's "Trumbastic". Orwell is even more appropriate with regard to Musk's Sieg Heil salute. "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

The people who voted for Trump to get cheaper eggs must be confused. Well, even more confused than normal. The price of eggs and virtually everything else has shot up under Trump. They are now being told that paying high prices is the most patriotic thing they can do. It would be hilarious if it wasn't actually sinister.

[TheDemonLord]

I have tried to stay out of this thread, but reading the cheering for the orange buffoon "winning" against Columbia when the facts are the opposite is doing my head in. Below is a copy of a post from Heather Cox Richardson with sources. Look her up, she has helped me to understand the cesspool that is American politics. Sources are posted below as well. Sorry for the wall of text.

Sources:
https://www.aljazeera.com/.../colombia-resumes-removal...
https://thehill.com/.../5107874-colo...o-us-trump.../
https://www.legistorm.com/.../young-leads-effort-to...
https://carnegieendowment.org/.../am...-migration-los...
https://apnews.com/.../immigration-biden-trump-cbp...
https://apnews.com/.../biden-asylum-...on-immigration...
https://www.justia.com/.../criminal-...r-deportation/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...ests-raids.../
https://www.cnn.com/.../immigration-raids.../index.html
https://www.cnn.com/.../colombia-tar....../index.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/190709/...st-quota-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/us-import-goods-colombia-oil...
https://www.pbs.org/.../trump-and-colombias-president...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../us/polit...h-defense.html
https://www.theguardian.com/.../trump-cbp-one-app...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../trump-visas-colombia-world...
https://www.npr.org/.../chinese-migr...outhern-border
https://apnews.com/.../colombia-visa...tation-flights...

Welcome to the fray!

So, to answer your first part - why are people cheering - well it is simple:

There is a number of prevailing Left-Wing narratives that have been forced into the public conscious artificially. Now, people that who arent aware of the ulterior motive of these narratives are willing to give them a try.

This happened under Biden in the US, under Stalinda in NZ, Trudeu in Canada etc.

The ideas were tried and they didnt work. Not only did they merely 'Not Work' - they actively made things worse. People have voted against this as a repudiation of these ideas - and seeing them get rolled back, repealed and revoked does garner cheering.

Now, onto re-posting someone elses work, there is much in there to disagree with - but arguing with ideas that arent your own is not fun for me.

However - I want you to take a critical look at the list of sources - Do you see any right wing or even just right leaning sources in there? I can see CNN (left), WaPo and NYT (Left), The Guardian (Explicitly Left), AP News, NPR, New Republic (Left Leaning) - I could go on, but I think the point is made.

I do not know this author, nor do I particularly care to - as what I am reading is the one-step removed press release from the Democrat party.

[sugilite:Me]

As for Jan 6th - Someone who was held for 3-4 years on effectively political charges, without trial... Gee I wonder why someone like that might have a wee bit of a Grudge against the Government...

More on this in another post I'm going to make.
In the meantime I'm throwing out a bone for you, I did not intend for you to watch the other video I posted, it was more the title/subject of the video. In future when I'm not using trumbastic I will post links to articles instead. For the record, I stopped taking notice of mainstream media except just stuff (I know leans left) and the Guardian uk - also left but apart from a few opinion pieces, more balanced than most. I've not been able to find any right ;leaning media channels that don't have me looking for a chunder bucket. Feel free to make suggestions if you know of any. The straw that broke the camels back for me on mainstream was how they all pretended they did not have the manifesto of the chap who shot the SEO. All mainstream media is owned by self interested billionaires. Fuck em.
Lots of talk about trump and fascism dicktater stuff. Be patient with this video, as it will have you pointing at your screen and shouting "yes, yes that, that multiple times. Incidentally I think John Stewart would make a brilliant president, much better than the last lot have been. Very impressed with his work with securing funding for 911 first responders ongoing support. Anyways, here is that video, and I recommend the left leaning kb folk watch this too.




A video showing Stewart in serious mode fighting for 911 first responder rights. John Stewart for US President 2028

[TheDemonLord]

In the meantime I'm throwing out a bone for you, I did not intend for you to watch the other video I posted, it was more the title/subject of the video. In future when I'm not using trumbastic I will post links to articles instead. For the record, I stopped taking notice of mainstream media except just stuff (I know leans left) and the Guardian uk - also left but apart from a few opinion pieces, more balanced than most. I've not been able to find any right ;leaning media channels that don't have me looking for a chunder bucket. Feel free to make suggestions if you know of any. The straw that broke the camels back for me on mainstream was how they all pretended they did not have the manifesto of the chap who shot the SEO. All mainstream media is owned by self interested billionaires. Fuck em.

The Guardian Balanced?!? They are explicitly (from their inception) a Left-wing outlet.

Now, I will say this - Whilst I think most Guardian articles are steaming piles of.... The fact that they are honest that they have a Left Bias is somewhat refreshing.

As for Right Media Channels - I listen to Ben Shapiro, but with a *big* grain of salt. He has a lot of opinions that I disagree with (mainly around the fact he is an Orthodox Jew and holds certain religious beliefs that I do not).

I occassionally will watch some of the other Daily Wire stuff - but they have a self-declared Religious lean and just like Ben, sometimes it irks me.

I do enjoy the Lotus Eaters: https://www.lotuseaters.com/ - But the style is very much aimed at people like myself and a touch younger. They have a range of presenters - some I like more than others (Sargon of Akkad - AKA Carl Benjamin - the founder) - I do not think it would be your cup of tea.

Ryan McBeth, Shawn Ryan (Podcast) and Sub Brief for Military or Global political stuff. You would probably like Ryan McBeth the most out of those, Sub Brief is (as you can probably guess) very focused on Naval news.

JRE anytime he has a Right Wing guest on (although the same goes for when he has a left wing guest on, too) - as he allows whoever he is talking to, to express themselves fully.

GB News, for a while, was pretty good for UK centric stuff.

The thing is - I generally prefer independent journalists or quasi-independent (like the Lotus Eaters) whereby it is not a big owned news entity, but a smallish group of people - where each person gets to outline their viewpoint on a subject. I like it when there is a healthy discussion on an issue.

Lots of talk about trump and fascism dicktater stuff. Be patient with this video, as it will have you pointing at your screen and shouting "yes, yes that, that multiple times. Incidentally I think John Stewart would make a brilliant president, much better than the last lot have been. Very impressed with his work with securing funding for 911 first responders ongoing support. Anyways, here is that video, and I recommend the left leaning kb folk watch this too.

I will point out that the abbreviation for The Daily Show - is TDS - which is too funny.

Jon Stewart sometimes hits the nail on the head - his point about the absurdity of the Lab Leak theory being implausible was one example.

However, I view him as I view Bill Maher - which is he is about 10-20 years behind what is going on.

But, I will watch and then edit this post with my thoughts.

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Post watching Edit.

Jon gets so close - his point that all this power and all Trumps actions are vested to him by the US Democratic process...

And then he stops.

His critique of the left Media screeching Fascism and illegal etc. is good...

And then he stops.

He never goes to the next step:

Why are the Left Media hurling insults that now fall on deaf ears.
Why did the US People vote for Trump in the popular vote, in all swing states, in the house and in the Senate.

I put forward that it is for the same reason that Bill Maher still struggles.

In order to go to that next step, He needs to consider the possibility that there is something wrong with the current state of Left Wing Politics.

The problem is, if he does that... He will be just like Trump, Just like Elon, Just like RFK, Just like Tulsi. Hell, did you see Bill Clinton smiling and clapping at Trumps inaugaration speech... I bet Bill voted for Trump...

[sugilite:Me]

I have tried to stay out of this thread, but reading the cheering for the orange buffoon "winning" against Columbia when the facts are the opposite is doing my head in. Below is a copy of a post from Heather Cox Richardson with sources. Look her up, she has helped me to understand the cesspool that is American politics. Sources are posted below as well. Sorry for the wall of text.

Welcome to the trump thread, the more points of view the better. Thank you for posting that. The China part at the end is interesting as I'm sure they will be more than happy to offer assistance to every country trump bullies. trump has no concept of how powerful soft power is.

One of my employees is a miner in Colombia, and he was really freaking out yesterday. I got him calmed down and told him trump is full of bluster and will likely reverse the penalties once his leader has succumbed to trumps obnoxious bullying. If trump had followed prior arrangements, none of it would of happened. trump was looking for that confrontation, and got it.

[pete376403]

From another site: 30 years ago, Carl Sagan predicted what the United States would be like in the future. How accurate is it today?
"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time — when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...”
~ Carl Sagan in "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.