Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[HenryDorsetCase]

The treaty is not specifically nuclear driven, troop movements are monitored. Russia in recent history has been up to no good in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine and has been bullying the Baltic states.

Withdrawing from the treaty was one thing. Destroying the aircraft is another. Removing the fiunding allocated for replacement aircraft takes it to another level. None of the US allies are happy about this, which implies Putin will be.

Far be it for me to endorse the orange shit-gibbon in anything, but if you have the satellites, you don't need the planes. And the yanks have got the satellites. Is this not the same exact thing that killed off the coolest aircraft ever manufactured by anyone anywhere (Lockheed SR-71)?

[Viking01]

Far be it for me to endorse the orange shit-gibbon in anything, but if you have the satellites, you don't need the planes. And the yanks have got the satellites. Is this not the same exact thing that killed off the coolest aircraft ever manufactured by anyone anywhere (Lockheed SR-71)?

Think that you are absolutely correct regarding superiority of satellites.

But to quote another writer:

"The Open Skies Treaty was an initiative of the Elder Bush administration at the end of the Cold War, to allow programmed overflights of reconnaissance aircraft in other peoples’ air space. At the time, it was more of a propaganda ploy than anything else: the Bush people actually thought the Soviet Union would turn the idea down. Neither of the two superpowers needed the Treaty, because they both had “national technical means” (ie satellites) which were much more capable than any aircraft. But the agreement was seen as confidence-building and a way of de-escalating the tension of the last days of the Cold War.

It’s an old debate among experts that arms control treaties by themselves don’t bring stability, because there is no way of convincing diehard extremists that the other side isn’t cheating in some fashion. Like other such measures, their value is in demonstrating that trust does, in fact, exist."

And given that NATO has shifted significantly eastward since the USSR collapsed in 1991 (despite verbal assurances given to Gorbachev in 1989 at the time of German reunification), trust seems to be an ever diminishing quantity.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/507766-ame...confrontation/

[pritch]

Olberman on Rudy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWIiHvRuwI

That's a longer version than what appears on Twitter. He's good. If you like that sort of thing. The usual suspects therefore, are unlikely to enjoy it.

[R650R]

Far be it for me to endorse the orange shit-gibbon in anything, but if you have the satellites, you don't need the planes. And the yanks have got the satellites. Is this not the same exact thing that killed off the coolest aircraft ever manufactured by anyone anywhere (Lockheed SR-71)?

Yep it will be a cost/business driven angle as per most of his actions.

If you havent seen it watch Brian Schul doco, one of original test pilots and epic life story after third degree burns crash in Vietnam.

[TheDemonLord]

Yep it will be a cost/business driven angle as per most of his actions.

If you havent seen it watch Brian Schul doco, one of original test pilots and epic life story after third degree burns crash in Vietnam.

I'm going to partially break site protocol, since I accidentally hit send before completing my rep comment:

Brian Shul and the LA speed Check story is one of my all time favs

[pritch]

The kraken has been unleashed. Sidney Powell claims she has filed her case against the election of Joe Biden. The copies she produced though, are not marked as having been received by the court. There are apparently over 100 pages of affidavits, but the presentation is bizarre with parts of it being unintelligible. The "evidence" is often laughable. The header below indicates that she started out as she meant to go on. Sad really, it would seem the lady is seriously unwell.

[pritch]

Brian Shul and the LA speed Check story is one of my all time favs

Mine too. I'd like to have bought his book but I seem to recall it was too expensive at near US$500. The written version of LA Speed Check is more detailed than his spoken versions.

There's also this. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...dge-pass-64186

[sugilite:Me]

I'm still at the same position I was on the night of the election:

Waiting for the actual process to conclude itself.

My Standard of 'proof' has not changed - that I will defer to the process and the checks and balances therein. There still does hang some interesting statistical anomalies which at the very least are worthy of investigation and an answer.

I'm curious, when Trump was declared the winner last election, did you run this "standard of proof" over that as well? Or did you just go accept it right away?

[sugilite:Me]

The kraken has been unleashed. Sidney Powell claims she has filed her case against the election of Joe Biden. The copies she produced though, are not marked as having been received by the court. There are apparently over 100 pages of affidavits, but the presentation is bizarre with parts of it being unintelligible. The "evidence" is often laughable. The header below indicates that she started out as she meant to go on. Sad really, it would seem the lady is seriously unwell.

Alas, kraken was a typo too. She meant krappen, because she has been krappen all over the place, even on Rudy and Trump himself

[TheDemonLord]

I'm curious, when Trump was declared the winner last election, did you run this "standard of proof" over that as well? Or did you just go accept it right away?

If memory serves - Hillary conceeded on the night, so my standard of proof - aka 'trusting the process' was met.

In this case, neither side has conceeded, there are lawsuits going on, so I'm waiting for the process to play itself out.

As I've stated prior - there are 3 areas of statistical anomalies that I believe warrant addition investigation. Could be evidence of Foul Play, Could be legitimate.

There's an article here: https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23...lection-norms/ that makes a number of claims, and as with all things - I'm not taking it as holy writ - but what is incredibly interesting is the 'Debunking' done on one of the claims:

https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/st...09164453945344

Namely that in the last 250 years, the scenario has only happened 3 times prior - including one (the 1960 election) where there has been long-standing accusations of fraud. So, if we exclude that for a moment - according to the 'debunk' (taking it at face value), It has happened only twice prior, with the last time being over 100 years ago.

This makes for another Statistical oddity, that whilst not impossible, is so improbable as to only happen Twice (excluding a result that may be tainted) in 250 years of election history, which I put to anyone is at the very least grounds for investigation.

[sugilite:Me]

If memory serves - Hillary conceeded on the night, so my standard of proof - aka 'trusting the process' was met.

Good to hear Hillary Clinton helped you keep faith with the US elctrol system!
And yes I know your stance well in regards to the anomalies, yet no fraud has been found despite many court cases being lodged, Trumps teams deep dive desperation even to the point of republican figures offering bribes, opps I mean rewards for evidence. Apart from a smattering of Trump supporters voting on behalf of dead relatives, none has been found - the irony eh

So how would you rate the Trumps legal teams performance thus far on a scale of 1 to 10?

[SaferRides]

Apparently Trump started his "rigged election" BS after he lost a primary in 2016.

At first, I thought the whole thing was a carefully thought through strategy, but it looks like they made it up as they went. I mean, Rudi Giuliani and Sidney Powell would have to be the low point of the Trump years, ignoring Covid-19. And there are a few contenders for that award!

[TheDemonLord]

Good to hear Hillary Clinton helped you keep faith with the US elctrol system!

Har Har, although slightly different circumstances.

And yes I know your stance well in regards to the anomalies, yet no fraud has been found despite many court cases being lodged, Trumps teams deep dive desperation even to the point of republican figures offering bribes, opps I mean rewards for evidence. Apart from a smattering of Trump supporters voting on behalf of dead relatives, none has been found - the irony eh

So how would you rate the Trumps legal teams performance thus far on a scale of 1 to 10?

I have been listening to the Pennsylvania hearing, So in general, I don't put much stock in eye-witness testimony (not saying any of them are lying, but I like something more tangible).

The part that jumped out at me - was the claim (supposedly based on publicly sourced info) that the number of received Mail-in Ballots exceeded the number of requested sent mail-in ballots, by about 700,000 - which if true, would be yet another rather interesting anomaly.

And the person making that claim also highlighted a number of 'spikes' in voter tallies which are unusual. Things that other people with an interest in Numbers have pointed out, the 'unnatural' way that Biden's vote count increased, compared to the much smoother curve for all other candidates.

As for a rating - It's hard for me to give one, simply because I'm not really focused on the legal side of things (Too many lawyers with too much hot air - I'm sure you'll agree), The Stats side of things however - the more time goes on, the more interesting discrepancies we see, the more the numbers (as presented) tell us that this was an unprecedented result, in multiple ways and in the whole of US Election history.

It could be. It could be that dislike of Trump, Covid etc. represents and unprecedented set of circumstances facilitating an unprecedented result.

It could also be that there was a little extra help, going one way.

[pritch]

I follow several sources of legal info on social media, mostly US but also UK. Both have had governments in recent times that treated the law rather loosely. Expert commentary was required to understand what was happening. Rudy & Co have been a huge source of amusement to lawyers both sides of the Atlantic but possibly more so in the UK because it's not their problem.

[sugilite:Me]

As for a rating - It's hard for me to give one, simply because I'm not really focused on the legal side of things (Too many lawyers with too much hot air - I'm sure you'll agree), The Stats side of things however - the more time goes on, the more interesting discrepancies we see, the more the numbers (as presented) tell us that this was an unprecedented result, in multiple ways and in the whole of US Election history.

OK, a little hard to believe you would not have seen the reports, so to fill you in, Trump, the guy you attribute a lot of intelligence too has not been able to put together a legal team that is in any way shape or form competent. The win loss ratio is now at something like 34/2. Obviously Trump has vaaaaaaaaaast experience in litigation. The laughable mis-steps, and the following are just limited highlights, - holding a news press conference in a landscaping car park between a porn shop and a crematorium, Announcing one of their lawyers as part of their "strike force" team, then pretending she was not part of their team a few days later, despite her being featured very prominently in the now notorious Rudy hair dye meltdown press conference. I'll not begin to cover that this team has gone into case after case with no real evidence. Seems your guy just cannot put a good team together huh?

My own feeling is, if the cunning crafty dems had had a team of election tamperers that were so bloody good at their jobs the poor old GOP could not bring a single smoking gun piece of evidence to the table, then why would the same crack dem team not of also used the same methods to win the senate elections? Looks to me like the GOP is going to hold onto that and McConnell will carry on his knee capping ways.