Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

This would be the same media that overwhelmingly despises Trump, yes? So definitely no conflict of interest there.
As I said, I'll wait for the Electoral college and any challenges to be resolved first.

Trump has a number of untreated mental disorders and he has constructed an alternate reality. He sees himself as a winner, although he has basically never succeeded at anything wthout cheating. Even then the list is small. Much smaller than his extensive list of failures.

It was Fox who called the Arizona result first, not the media you consider biased, most of whom have still not called a result there. There are still two states outstanding

Voter fraud in the US is so rare as to be almost non-existent. Anybody buying into Trump's fantasies really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

There will be more of these:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...b8e_story.html

Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied. Another fantasy. Of course.

Update: There is now a claim that he was paid US$130,000 to lie.

[F5 Dave]

And big increases are easier when the previous voter turn out is so pathetic.

C19 has touched many over there, as it has here but to lesser extent. All of a sudden apathy not to vote becomes a pressing priority.

Further postal and early voting has made it easier for, I'm going to say 'the working class' but needs translation, to vote instead of a stupid multi hour wait on a Tuesday when you need to put bread on the table.

Can all afford democracy? The ancient Greeks so fond of the concept of course really meant Free Men. Not the other rabble.

[TheDemonLord]

Trump has a number of untreated mental disorders and he has constructed an alternate reality. He sees himself as a winner, although he has basically never succeeded at anything wthout cheating. Even then the list is small. Much smaller than his extensive list of failures.

It was Fox who called the Arizona result first, not the media you consider biased, most of whom have still not called a result. There are still two states outstanding

Voter fraud in the US is so rare as to be almost non-existent. Anybody buying into Trump's fantasies really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

There will be more of these:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...b8e_story.html

Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied. Another fantasy. Of course.

Except I've not said anything about Postal workers, I've just pointed to the raw numbers and said there are some odd instances.

[pritch]

Except I've not said anything about Postal workers, I've just pointed to the raw numbers and said there are some odd instances.

Not to normal people there aren't.

[TheDemonLord]

And big increases are easier when the previous voter turn out is so pathetic.

C19 has touched many over there, as it has here but to lesser extent. All of a sudden apathy not to vote becomes a pressing priority.

Further postal and early voting has made it easier for, I'm going to say 'the working class' but needs translation, to vote instead of a stupid multi hour wait on a Tuesday when you need to put bread on the table.

Not really - Look at Ohio as an example (a state with very strong mail-in ballot laws, due to the 2004 election):

2008: 67.8% (Obama was very popular)
2012: 65.1%
2016: 64.2%
2020: 68.9%

So - all the results are within about a 4% range bracket, which is what we expect (given historical info on other states) - and going from 64-68 is a big increase due to a previous low voter turnout, but that's only a 4% difference (which is in-line with other typical state changes), not 11%.

That is a Statistical anomaly.

[TheDemonLord]

Not to normal people there aren't.

That's because normal people don't enjoy Maths or doing any form of statistical analysis.

You've got one of the swing states that experienced a change in Voter Turnout that is 3 times bigger than the last big change in voter turnout.

You've got a state that wants us to believe that in a batch of mail-in ballots, over 80% of them were for Biden, whereas we know from other Mail-in Ballots, it wasn't that heavily skewed.

You've got a statistical analysis that indicates that the Biden voting numbers do not conform with a statistical analysis of the distribution of numbers, whereas every other candidate's voting numbers do.

I grant you that it COULD be due to a large voter turnout and that it COULD be massive Mail-in support for Biden in a Swing State and that it COULD be legitimate numbers.

But I put it to you that such anomalies are worth of at least a bit of skeptical interrogation.

[sugilite:Me]

He was Polarizing in 2016, yet we didn't see the significant change in Voter Turn-out.

Furthermore it doesn't pan-out when you look at other states - which see a small increase in voter turnout, but not 3 times the increase of the last significant voter turn-out change.

Twaddle, most did not expect him to win, voter apathy was at situation normal. Not so after 4 years of dog whistling from both sides media etc. As I'm sure you would realize.
Also, both campaigns spend an inordinate amount of attention on voter turn out in swing states, so why would one not expect to see the resulting increase in voter turnout. Red hearings for lunch today?

[SaferRides]

Sure, I'll give you 3 - all based purely on Numbers.

Voter Turn out - if you look at Michigan (one of the Swing states) - it's voter turn out for the previous 3 election cycles has been consistently 62%-66% with the highest in 2008 when Saint Obama (who did have a big voter turnout) got it up to 66%, however that was a 3% increase from the previous year, however the turnout from 2016 to 2020: 62% vs 73%, over a 10% voter turnout increase.
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I think you'll find the figure for 2020 uses a different measure of turnout rate to 2016 and therefore the numbers are not comparable. I assume this is because the final data for 2020 is not yet available.

It looks like a difference of 8% based on the interim data for 2020.

[R650R]

A lot of people who voted by mail did so because they were busy doing other things. A lot of them didn’t get to see Biden’s celebration speech.
But this guy organised a gathering of some of the mail in voters and repeated part of Biden’s speech to them to make them feel included I guess, quite touching the human spirit.
Watch to the end to see the surprising size of Biden’s silent majority.

[TheDemonLord]

Twaddle, most did not expect him to win, voter apathy was at situation normal. Not so after 4 years of dog whistling from both sides media etc. As I'm sure you would realize.

I, again, refer to the 2008 election, which had a very high voter turnout and yet we didn't see a change as big as what we've seen.

Also, both campaigns spend an inordinate amount of attention on voter turn out in swing states, so why would one not expect to see the resulting increase in voter turnout. Red hearings for lunch today?

Every campaign, every year targets the Swing states.... Because y'know - they are swing states....

I've been quite clear that I'm not ruling out this could be legitimate, but surely you must agree that a State that has fairly stable voter turnout in the low 60% mark for the last 4 Presidential elections (including one with the most widely popular candidate - Saint Obama), to suddenly jump to the low 70% mark is irregular.

I think you'll find the figure for 2020 uses a different measure of turnout rate to 2016 and therefore the numbers are not comparable. I assume this is because the final data for 2020 is not yet available.

It looks like a difference of 8% based on the interim data for 2020.

I agree that it's an interim figure because we don't have the final count yet. However, even taking your number at face value: it is still over double the previous next biggest change in voter turnout.

[sugilite:Me]

I, again, refer to the 2008 election, which had a very high voter turnout and yet we didn't see a change as big as what we've seen.



Every campaign, every year targets the Swing states.... Because y'know - they are swing states....

I've been quite clear that I'm not ruling out this could be legitimate, but surely you must agree that a State that has fairly stable voter turnout in the low 60% mark for the last 4 Presidential elections (including one with the most widely popular candidate - Saint Obama), to suddenly jump to the low 70% mark is irregular.
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You are not taking the I hate/love trump factor very seriously. Way outstrips the saint obama sentiments.

So far we have one trumper trying to vote for his dead mother and one postal worker admitting they lied - Trumps lawsuits getting swatted down left and right because of LACK of proof.

You have to admit Trump has been planning this all along. Hence his baseless anti mail in fraud rhetoric for months. You may like Trumps tasty bullshit, me not so much.

[SaferRides]

I agree that it's an interim figure because we don't have the final count yet. However, even taking your number at face value: it is still over double the previous next biggest change in voter turnout.

Comparing like with like, the figure for the first Obama election in 2008 is either 69 or 70%. So 73% is still a high turnout, but not an outlier.

[pritch]

Days ago Trump sacked people in charge of nuclear energy. Today another one resigned.

And now this From Alexander Vindman:

In the last 24 hours, the Secretary of Defense (SecDef), the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (USD-P), and the Under Secretary of Defense for Intell (OUSD-I) have been sacked. Trump loyalists now sit in the 1, 3, and 4 slots at DOD. Kash Patel is DOD Chief of Staff. Why?

[Kickaha]

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Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied.

The Postal worker claims he has not recanted his testimony and Washington Post have made that up

Watch to the end to see the surprising size of Biden’s silent majority.

Yet so far the only person charged with voter fraud is a Republican using his dead mother to vote for Trump

[testastretta]

Yes.

a few percent change, like for example Obama (who had the biggest Voter Turn-out, due to an energised voterbase), absolutely fine.

Over 10% voter turnout increase, is Irregular, especially when previously going back to 2004 (cause that's as far back as I cared to go) - the Voter turnout in that state were between the ranges of 62% and 66% - that's a 4% difference. with 66% being the highest for Obama, who until this election had the highest Vote Count.

The difference between 2016 and 2020 is 11% - that's almost 300% increase in the change of voter turnout, when compared to the previous biggest change in voter turnout (62% to 66% - a 4% difference)

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying 'Definitely fraud', I am saying that there is something irregular, that is worth of investigation and explanation.

How come Trump, in Florida, went from 4.6 million votes in 2016 to 5.6 Million votes in 2020. No mention of that in all your bullshit.